Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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If my son was senior at Penn St. and knew nothing about it and was required to sit out a year because of a sick man....I'd get all the players to join in a class action lawsuit against the NCAA.
 
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What about Baylor??? They let kids leave without sitting out and didn't play any OOC games in basketball.




You like how USC's current players are suffering thanks to OJ Mayo? Or Missouri's plays years ago thanks to Quinn Snyder? What about Indiana's basketball team? Michiagan is just now recovering from the Fab 5 failures's antics.

University of Miami shut their program down for 15 years.

We have seen teams suffer because of someone's past actions. Those kids are going to suffer in some form. If you are a player on that team-you want to be there no matter what. A year isn't going to kill them.

I agree with the bolded...
 



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If my son was senior at Penn St. and knew nothing about it and was required to sit out a year because of a sick man....I'd get all the players to join in a class action lawsuit against the NCAA.

Bob Costas made an interesting point on Meet The Press Sunday in response to the idea that punishing current Penn State players for something they were not involved in is wrong or unfair.

Costas said how is it any different than guys on a basketball or football team being stripped of the inability to participate in the NCAA Tournament or bowl game because their teammates were not getting it done in the classroom or took improper benefits?

And I'll use a religious example. God effectively penalized the human race due to the actions of two people in the Garden of Eden that occurred thousands of years ago. While there was/is opportunity for redemption, the road for mankind became a lot harder to hoe (if one believes in such things).
 
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Why do you folks keep merging thread that have different meanings? I mean seriously it is really sad around this page now.
 
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Suspend the band, and take the scholarships of kids who had nothing to with hazing, but allow the football team to keep playing after four decades of raping kids. This country has great morals I tell you.
 
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Bob Costas made an interesting point on Meet The Press Sunday in response to the idea that punishing current Penn State players for something they were not involved in is wrong or unfair.

Costas said how is it any different than guys on a basketball or football team being stripped of the inability to participate in the NCAA Tournament or bowl game because their teammates were not getting it done in the classroom or took improper benefits?

And I'll use a religious example. God effectively penalized the human race due to the actions of two people in the Garden of Eden that occurred thousands of years ago. While there was/is opportunity for redemption, the road for mankind became a lot harder to hoe (if one believes in such things).

Simple answer to the above. All are forms of injustices no matter how one tries to justify it, especially the last example.
 
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Suspend the band, and take the scholarships of kids who had nothing to with hazing, but allow the football team to keep playing after four decades of raping kids. This country has great morals I tell you.

Why not suspend the Georgia football team because that running back got in trouble? Why not have the Knicks forfiet games because Jason Kidd got a DUI? Why not have the Saints vacate the superbowl wins because Sean Payton was taking pain meds?

Wasn't current/active members of the band attacking other members of the band? THAT"S WHY IT's A BAND ISSUE. If this were players raping players and coaches involved then this would be a FOOTBALL TEAM ISSUE. It was not and it is not. It's a CRIMINAL ISSUE.

An individual breaking the law deserves to punished UNDER THE LAW. Sandusky raping boys has nothing to do with what goes on between the lines on Saturday afternoons. That's SPORTS. A pedophile and his enablers who did not meet thier legal obligation to report crimes on campus are to be punished because they broke THE LAW. Not some NCAA violation. This aint about wins and losses. . .
 
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Suspend the band, and take the scholarships of kids who had nothing to with hazing, but allow the football team to keep playing after four decades of raping kids. This country has great morals I tell you.

That's a form of injustice by the NCAA. Since most of the culprits have left the school, the only power the NCAA has left within it's means is to penalize the people who had nothing to do with the incident. That's not justice, that's just the NCAA trying to maintain a sense of power and purported order in their multi-billion dollar industry.
The powers that be KNOW this is wrong, but they could care less just as long as they maintain that sense of power and control.
 
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You said a good mouthful. Now it shows why kids who play sports stay in so much trouble. They have adults who support anything as long as he or she can run, jump, throw a ball, catch a ball or hit a ball. :tup: Where is this support for those who can't spell or read their own name at? :idea:
Why not suspend the Georgia football team because that running back got in trouble? Why not have the Knicks forfiet games because Jason Kidd got a DUI? Why not have the Saints vacate the superbowl wins because Sean Payton was taking pain meds?

Wasn't current/active members of the band attacking other members of the band? THAT"S WHY IT's A BAND ISSUE. If this were players raping players and coaches involved then this would be a FOOTBALL TEAM ISSUE. It was not and it is not. It's a CRIMINAL ISSUE.

An individual breaking the law deserves to punished UNDER THE LAW. Sandusky raping boys has nothing to do with what goes on between the lines on Saturday afternoons. That's SPORTS. A pedophile and his enablers who did not meet thier legal obligation to report crimes on campus are to be punished because they broke THE LAW. Not some NCAA violation. This aint about wins and losses. . .
 
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I wonder if Penn St football team members past and present wear those "No snitching" tee shirts?
 
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NCAA boss won't rule out death penalty for Penn St


NEW YORK (AP) — The president of the NCAA says he isn't ruling out the possibility of shutting down the Penn State football program in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

In a PBS interview Monday night, NCAA President Mark Emmert said he doesn't want to "take anything off the table" if the NCAA determines penalties against Penn State are warranted.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/NCAA-boss-won-t-rule-out-death-penalty-for-Penn-St-3712909.php
 
And that's essentially why the NCAA is not going to step in. Until something comes out linking this God-awful situation to some of these molested kids trading sex for scholarships (thus gaining a competitive advantage, improper benefits), the NCAA is not going to act.

Hell, the millions in lawsuits and bad publicity Penn State has coming down the pike could be punishment enough.

If the NCAA hits Penn State with the death penalty on this, then they have to hit other schools with bad non-sports related incidents too with it.

Also, when the NCAA put SMU on the death penalty, the other Southwest Conference schools had to scramble to replace them on the schedule — and some believe the death penalty was a contributing factor of the dissolution of the SWC. Penn State could recover quicker than SMU did, but you never know what'll happen in this current landscape of college football.

These are excellent points. They are how I see things.
 
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You said a good mouthful. Now it shows why kids who play sports stay in so much trouble. They have adults who support anything as long as he or she can run, jump, throw a ball, catch a ball or hit a ball. :tup: Where is this support for those who can't spell or read their own name at? :idea:

What does kids playing sports have to do with Jerry Sanduski raping boys and Joe Paterno covering it up? Are you suggesting that the football PLAYERS need to learn a lesson because Jerry Sanduski raped boys and Joe Paterno covered it up?

Why do you assert that the penalty for falure in life is most equated to ones athletic accomplishments. Does Mother Theresa need a superbowl ring? Should the pope recieve an honary UFC title belt? Good deeds done in real life deserve AHTLETIC RECONGNITION??? Sounds silly right . . .
So why does failure in life have to be measured by an athletic punishment?
Well, again, Is Michael Jordan not a 6 time champion because he gambled and committed adultry? Take his rings for failures in life that had nothing to do with the game itself? Should the Utah Jazz vacate wins because Karl Malone abandoned his older children?? Poor decision as a father but what does his character have to do with Utah Jazz wins and losses? Should Alabama not be recongnized as national champion now because they were one of the last and most celebrated institutions to intergrate their school?? Racism is ugly but what does that have to do with the BCS title game in January ??

It seems it is thinking like yours . .. Thinking that puts athletic achievement on a pedistal that makes it the measuring stick for success in life that will feed the beast that is 'coach/athlete' worship. If somebody raped my daughter I couldn't care less how many points he scored for his high school basketball team. WHO THE HELL CARES ??? SPORTS AINT THAT IMPORTANT. String his a** up and hang him high for rape . .. Forget a dam* record. . .
 



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Why do some want to give the NCAA more power than they already have? This sharecropping system has enough power as it is, now some want to give them the authority to grant decisions based on ethics and morality when they're one of the most unethical and immoral systems in sports?! Pleeeeeease!
 
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Why do some want to give the NCAA more power than they already have? This sharecropping system has enough power as it is, now some want to give them the authority to grant decisions based on ethics and morality when they're one of the most unethical and immoral systems in sports?! Pleeeeeease!

Well, Jay, I can't say you're wrong about that.
 
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Why do some want to give the NCAA more power than they already have? This sharecropping system has enough power as it is, now some want to give them the authority to grant decisions based on ethics and morality when they're one of the most unethical and immoral systems in sports?! Pleeeeeease!

Haven't been on the board in a minute and there have been some good points made. Every school agrees to the ethics and motility cause when they pay their NCAA dues. This is similar to a job description clause " other duties as assigned". It gives the NCAA that reach to impose penalties when their basic philosophies of membership is violated.

If Sandusky was a retired janitor with 30 years of service to the school, would he had been given an office and keys to the campus or sent home with a pat on the back. The culture of PSU says a pat on the back. The reason Sandusky was given an office was because he was a pivotal factor in creating linebacker U. If Paterno, was the janitor supervisor, would he have the power to protect Sandusky. Thus far, the answer is no.

The NCAA is looking at the culture of athletics and how it led to the complete lack of institutional control. Even before the case broke, the NCAA has been looking to "show" a balance between sport and academics. They were making stronger penalties while streamlining the NCAA manual. This is the first major case for Emmeret to weigh in on, so expect the worse for PSU. This is the case where the NCAA can show that the "culture" of athletics is not bigger than upholding basic moral virtues.

As per NCAA rules, PSU athletes will have the option to transfer without penalties to their eligibility status.
 
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Haven't been on the board in a minute and there have been some good points made. Every school agrees to the ethics and motility cause when they pay their NCAA dues. This is similar to a job description clause " other duties as assigned". It gives the NCAA that reach to impose penalties when their basic philosophies of membership is violated.

If Sandusky was a retired janitor with 30 years of service to the school, would he had been given an office and keys to the campus or sent home with a pat on the back. The culture of PSU says a pat on the back. The reason Sandusky was given an office was because he was a pivotal factor in creating linebacker U. If Paterno, was the janitor supervisor, would he have the power to protect Sandusky. Thus far, the answer is no.

The NCAA is looking at the culture of athletics and how it led to the complete lack of institutional control. Even before the case broke, the NCAA has been looking to "show" a balance between sport and academics. They were making stronger penalties while streamlining the NCAA manual. This is the first major case for Emmeret to weigh in on, so expect the worse for PSU. This is the case where the NCAA can show that the "culture" of athletics is not bigger than upholding basic moral virtues.

As per NCAA rules, PSU athletes will have the option to transfer without penalties to their eligibility status.

Even if what you say is applicable (I don't think it is), you'd also have to apply the NCAA 4-year statute of limitations on violations as well.
 
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The "death penalty" is part of the NCAA's repeat offender guidelines. Penn State, like SMU did, had to commit — and get hit with — NCAA major violations at least 3 times in a 5-year period to begin death penalty talks.

If the NCAA (which hasn't had the best track record on ethics, morality in its history) slaps Penn State with away-from-the-field-of-play-ethical/moral-violations, then they have to slap Georgia, Florida, Arkansas and a lot more schools that had a string of away-from-the-field incidents. Can't punish one and not punish them all.
 
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ethics, morality in its history) slaps Penn State with away-from-the-field-of-play-ethical/moral-violations, then they have to slap Georgia, Florida, Arkansas and a lot more schools that had a string of away-from-the-field incidents. Can't punish one and not punish them all.
When did the President, Vice President, Athletic Director and Head Football Coach at "Georgia, Fla, Ark and a lot more schools" do something so horrific as covering up rape and abuse of kids, on their own campuses, by one of their own coaches, and allowed it to continue on FOR YEARS
 
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The "death penalty" is part of the NCAA's repeat offender guidelines. Penn State, like SMU did, had to commit — and get hit with — NCAA major violations at least 3 times in a 5-year period to begin death penalty talks.

If the NCAA (which hasn't had the best track record on ethics, morality in its history) slaps Penn State with away-from-the-field-of-play-ethical/moral-violations, then they have to slap Georgia, Florida, Arkansas and a lot more schools that had a string of away-from-the-field incidents. Can't punish one and not punish them all.

This will open a pandoras box that will make the NCAA more powerful and more subjectively evil and unjust than it already is. Why do folks want to give this monster even more power and authority?
The men who are involved are being penalized to the n-th degree by the judicial system, law enforcement and public opinion on a worldwide basis.

It will take Penn State decades to overcome this stigma, which is far more of a detriment to their program than giving some death penalty that will only last four years, then the subject will come back up all over again when they apply for reinstatement and the victims will have to relive the stories ALL over again via the media, family members and friends.
 
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It is amazing how college educated people care more about sports and the "Team", then human life and what is the right thing to do. It really shows why our communities whether the ghetto or the suburbs have the same problems. The mindset for responsibility in our community is in a sad state of affairs.
 
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Well, I don't think the NCAA can use past precedent in making a decision about Penn State because as Mark Emmert said, "this is an unprecedented" situation.

But I understand both sides of the argument, though.

I heard one point this morning from a commentator saying that this is a football issue because one of the co-conspirators just so happened to be the head football coach.

The commentator went onto say the AD and the football coach covering up child rape is the very definition of lack of institution control, considering the people involved failed in their leadership positions.
 
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When did the President, Vice President, Athletic Director and Head Football Coach at "Georgia, Fla, Ark and a lot more schools" do something so horrific as covering up rape and abuse of kids, on their own campuses, by one of their own coaches, and allowed it to continue on FOR YEARS

If that's the case, how about they lose their accreditation as a university? The coverup wasn't confined to the athletic department.
 
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