Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

CEE DOG said:
It is amazing how college educated people care more about sports and the "Team", then human life and what is the right thing to do. It really shows why our communities whether the ghetto or the suburbs have the same problems. The mindset for responsibility in our community is in a sad state of affairs.
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This has nothing to do with putting sports over molested victims. It has to do with not letting one's emotions run wild and wanting to throw the book at everybody, including those who had nothing to do with the abuse.
How will banning a football program rehabilitate the abused victims? That's it, it won't.

Let the judicial system and law enforcement do their job.
Don't give more power and control to a non-elected, over-reaching body that authority to make decisions they have no business doing out of sheer emotion and under the flawed impression that they're doing it for the children.
If the NCAA did anything, they'd be doing it to see how much more power and control it could gain.
It would also give this body of non-elected good ole boys future authority to make even more decisions beyond their scope of power.

Why give this power to one of the most egregious and wicked systems in the U.S.?
 
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jag4life said:
If that's the case, how about they lose their accreditation as a university? The coverup wasn't confined to the athletic department.
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Personally all them SEC schools could get hit and I wouldn't care.
 



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Man get them all. Don't bother me. Run boy ,run. :clap:
JayRob said:
This has nothing to do with putting sports over molested victims. It has to do with not letting one's emotions run wild and wanting to throw the book at everybody, including those who had nothing to do with the abuse.
How will banning a football program rehabilitate the abused victims? That's it, it won't.

Let the judicial system and law enforcement do their job.
Don't give more power and control to a non-elected, over-reaching body that authority to make decisions they have no business doing out of sheer emotion and under the flawed impression that they're doing it for the children.
If the NCAA did anything, they'd be doing it to see how much more power and control it could gain.
It would also give this body of non-elected good ole boys future authority to make even more decisions beyond their scope of power.

Why give this power to one of the most aggregious and wicked systems in the U.S.?
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Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

CEE DOG said:
It is amazing how college educated people care more about sports and the "Team", then human life and what is the right thing to do. It really shows why our communities whether the ghetto or the suburbs have the same problems. The mindset for responsibility in our community is in a sad state of affairs.
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It's amazing how college educated people care so much about sports and the 'record' that the punishment for rape is not determined in the court of law but by wins and records. . . That vendication and restitution for young boys getting sodimized by a pedophile is somehow addressed by college football records. . . Go figure :crazy:
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

CEE DOG said:
It is amazing how college educated people care more about sports and the "Team", then human life and what is the right thing to do. It really shows why our communities whether the ghetto or the suburbs have the same problems. The mindset for responsibility in our community is in a sad state of affairs.
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Dude, if your suggestions were going to help anything, I would see your point. Paterno was fired, Sandusky is going to prision, what is punishing the current players going to do. The president, AD and others who covered this up also need some jail time. Also, what would happen to those employed by the university for football? Do they keep their salaries? I am sure the football office itself has personnel. What about those people who will lose jobs? That stadium is probably contracted to an outside company for upkeep. I say punish those responsible by as much as you can. Leave everyone else alone. Besides, I got tickets to the Penn State-Ohio State game. Don't punish me! :lol:
 
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kendrick said:
In Penn State's case it did.
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Just like there were more than one priest molesting little boys in the Catholic Church, I'm sure there are other big schools doing the same thing.
 
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DonTiger said:
It's amazing how college educated people care so much about sports and the 'record' that the punishment for rape is not determined in the court of law but by wins and records. . . That vendication and restitution for young boys getting sodimized by a pedophile is somehow addressed by college football records. . . Go figure :crazy:
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I STILL say that the "record" should be taken away and given back to Eddie Robinson.... There is no other REAL way to punish Paterno. Take his statue down.. yeah, that's punishment :smh:. Taking the wins back won't hurt those kids that won the games. They won em and already celebrated it.
 
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JAG89 said:
Just like there were more than one priest molesting little boys in the Catholic Church, I'm sure there are other big schools doing the same thing.
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The way this went down is shocking. I am sure that there are child molesting coaches out there... we already know that. But I would find it hard to believe that you will find another school to find out about it and give the guy a key to the gym as a part of the "retirement" package. I just think this whole thing is one of a kind which is why people are blaming Paterno so much.
 
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Tigerpride said:
The president, AD and others who covered this up also need some jail time.
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The President of Penn State,
The AD of Penn State
The head football coach of Penn State

Don't know why some folks don't think Penn State should be penalized.
 
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Tigerpride said:
But I would find it hard to believe that you will find another school to find out about it and give the guy a key to the gym as a part of the "retirement" package. I just think this whole thing is one of a kind
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Man, if this is 'common place' or happens all the time . . . :smh: This has to be an isolated situation man. I don't want to beleive you can get at least 4 educated men in important positions of authority to all agree to enable a retired pedophile for 14 years at multiple schools. Too much wrong with the world to throw that on the pit too . .
 
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JayRob said:
This will open a pandoras box that will make the NCAA more powerful and more subjectively evil and unjust than it already is. Why do folks want to give this monster even more power and authority?
The men who are involved are being penalized to the n-th degree by the judicial system, law enforcement and public opinion on a worldwide basis.

It will take Penn State decades to overcome this stigma, which is far more of a detriment to their program than giving some death penalty that will only last four years, then the subject will come back up all over again when they apply for reinstatement and the victims will have to relive the stories ALL over again via the media, family members and friends.
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That's the other point. Y'all talk about how the NCAA pimps FCS schools with the playoffs, not paying student-ahtletes, having inequality when it comes to suspending lesser-known programs and NOW y'all want to give them Gooddell-like powers?


Penn State is mud in the court of public opinion. Companies will be hesitant to advertise during football games (y'all saw how quickly they pulled out once this broke out), the Big 10+2 will be hesitant to put Penn State in a showcase game (7 p.m ABC/ESPN spot). The only way you might see Penn State on TV is on the Big 10 Network or in the noon slot on ESPN 2/ESPN (only because the conference has a contract). The Big 10 doesn't want that headache, and ESPN or ABC don't want that headache from drops of advertising revenue because Penn State is on TV.

Once that loss of exposure is realized, they will lose recruits to other schools (Pitt, Rutgers, the rest of the Big 10 and West Va for starters). Once they lose recruits, they lose games, once they lose games, they lose more revenue on top of the revenue lost from not being in those big-time game slots....They will still sell out games, i'm sure, but that extra money will be gone.

The death penalty of Penn State football also put a dent in the school's total athletics program. We're just not talking the football program, we're talking the school's Olympic sports and women's sports (last time I checked had as much to do with the Sandusky stuff as the football players currently on the roster). That money coming in from donations is probably already allocated to support those minor programs and to pay the lawsuits/settlements that are coming down the pike. Also, football pays the bills and probably will pay those settlements as well.


One last thing. We as a society have a baaad habit of wanting to seek some vengance/overpunishment in cases that shock us, which sparks an equal and opposite reaction of people supporting the accused . Look at the cries for vengance/overpunishment in the Mike Vick case and the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case, for example. I know Vick and Martin/Zimmerman didn't involve molesting children, but in Vick's case some folks were not satisfied by the legal system taking action and the NFL putting him out for a while and him losing virtually everything. They wanted him to suffer and suffer badly.Meanwhile, you had people supporting Mike Vick to the fullest.

In the Zimmerman case, calls to "get" him were made out. Although I think Zimmerman is guilty as sin, we have to wait for the process to work itself out. However, look at these people donating money to him.
 



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mighty hornet said:
The President of Penn State,
The AD of Penn State
The head football coach of Penn State

Don't know why some folks don't think Penn State should be penalized.
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Penn St. has been penalized (don't tell me what that campus/organization/alumni have been through since November aint gut wrenching, I can only imagine if this was about Eddie and Grambling :smh:)

Penn St. will continue to be penalized (law suits, government sanctions 'Clery Rule' and court of public opinion will continue to crucify Penn St for years to come)

The Penn St. athletic director, The Penn St head coach and The Penn St vice president will be punished. (JoePa's estate will be left in ruin and his legacy forever marred. If he were alive, I think charges would be brought as well. Them other two boys are going to jail. The emails are now publicly exposed. They lied. They gone get convicted. )

Now how the dam* president. He hasn't been charged. He should be. Along with Mcquery, and those janitors who saw him and didn't report it. . .

JUSTICE.

Now where do football games and a wins record come into all of this ???
 
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DonTiger said:
Penn St. has been penalized
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What were the official sanctions against Penn State?

but then again, maybe you think bad press should be their only penalty.

Heaven forbid, if a school contacts a recruit illegally, if a coach gives a kid a few dollars to get home for Christmas or if a school's APR score aint up to snuff and we got all kinds of penalties for you.


but if the highest chain of command at the school cover up for a child rapist and allow him to prey on kids for YEARS, the only penalty for that is "bad press"
 
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mighty hornet said:
What were the official sanctions against Penn State?

but then again, maybe you think bad press should be their only penalty.
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This type of 'bad press' as you call it is a form of punishment that NO SCHOOL/ALUMNI would ever want to see coming their way. But , I clearly stated that the 'Clary/Clery' act is going to be levied against them for not reporting the crimes. This means that the 'sanctions' can go as far as pulling all government funded financial aid from the school. Now that is punishment. That is the 'Death Penalty' and not just for sport. . . for PENN ST. UNIVERSITY ..


mighty hornet said:
Heaven forbid, if a school contacts a recruit illegally, if a coach gives a kid a few dollars to get home for Christmas or if a school's APR score aint up to snuff and we got all kinds of penalties for you.
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As well there should be penalties for these acts. These are acts centered around SPORTS and actively involve players and schools trying to gain a competative advantage. Now should the kids get arrested for this? Should the school lose financial aid for sending a kids parents to a bowl game?? Hardly not. A Sports foul deserves and Sports penalty. How does this relate to children being raped by Jerry Sanduski and Joe Paterno convering it up? What sport is that?


mighty hornet said:
but if the highest chain of command at the school cover up for a child rapist and allow him to prey on kids for YEARS, the only penalty for that is "bad press"
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When children get rapped, I want the offender to be put in jail for life. . .Oh yea, that happened. I want anyone conspiring with him to go to jail. . . Oh yea, them other two boys will be convicted next month and JoePa died before the lynch mob could get to him. They are just going to sue the hell out of his estate and take down his statue forever marring his legacy. I want restitution for the victims. Oh yea, Penn St. is already on record reaching out to the vicitims and actively calling for others to come forward because they willingly want to offer civil restitution. . . Let's see here. . What else do I want to happen . . Oh yea, I want to punish the current football players by not allowing them to play . .And I want Eddie Robinson to have his record back . . Wait . . What does that have to do with young boys getting raped and Joe Paterno covering it up . . . .
 
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You have to be mildly retarded to think the NCAA should use this as reason to sanction Penn State lol. It's a criminal case that had nothing to do with the program other than the fact that the people worked there while they did it. That's a case you can drop, the NCAA won't do anything in this case as they shouldn't. Let the law handle it. If i'm working at Walmart and decide its a good idea to fondle women in the bathroom, when I get caught i'm going to jail. Walmart will still be operating as normal after they lock me up.. that's the way criminal cases work.
 
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DonTiger said:
As well there should be penalties for these acts. These are acts centered around SPORTS and actively involve players and schools trying to gain a competative advantage.
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so, you don't think the cover up was on so Penn State could maintain it's standing in FOOTBALL, , its competitive advantage in FOOTBALL. If the Pres, VP, AD, coach had acted as any reasonable person would have, this stuff would have been reported when it first came to their attention. But it wasn't reported. And the reason it wasn't reported is because it was Penn State FOOTBALL. Period. If a Penn State secretary or mechanic or the swimming coach had done what Sandusky did, I would hope that you don't actually believe there would have been the same high level cover up. Let's keep it real. The cover up was because it involved FOOTBALL, the face of the $chool. And since the FOOTBALL team functions under the rules of the NCAA, why is it not reasonable to expect the NCAA to act, on something as horrible as this.

btw, not ONE time have I mentioned ANYTHING about records, vacating wins, court system (its a given that the monsters should be punished there), I was speaking from the angle if the NCAA should be involved.
 
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unknown1 said:
You have to be mildly retarded to think the NCAA should use this as reason to sanction Penn State lol. It's a criminal case that had nothing to do with the program other than the fact that the people worked there while they did it. That's a case you can drop, the NCAA won't do anything in this case as they shouldn't. Let the law handle it. If i'm working at Walmart and decide its a good idea to fondle women in the bathroom, when I get caught i'm going to jail. Walmart will still be operating as normal after they lock me up.. that's the way criminal cases work.
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This is a little different that your simple scenerio. The President and the store mangager knew about, fired you but gave you a key to the store and you kept foldling women in the bathroom... then more than you should be sent to jail.

But even in your case, that Wal-mart store should not be shut down becasue of your horny azz!

I just don't see what penalizing Penn State is going to do? They are getting theirs and then some right now and those responsible will get their too. But Eddie Robinson Jr need to be like Bubba and say, "I want my Daddy's records"...
 
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Tigerpride said:
This is a little different that your simple scenerio. The President and the store mangager knew about, fired you but gave you a key to the store and you kept foldling women in the bathroom... then more than you should be sent to jail.

But even in your case, that Wal-mart store should not be shut down becasue of your horny azz!

I just don't see what penalizing Penn State is going to do? They are getting theirs and then some right now and those responsible will get their too. But Eddie Robinson Jr need to be like Bubba and say, "I want my Daddy's records"...
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Usually when the NCAA takes wins away from a school or coach, it is because that program gained some type of competitive advantage as a result of an illegal NCAA rule breaking activity. How does that apply in the Penn State situation?
 
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mighty hornet said:
so, you don't think the cover up was on so Penn State could maintain it's standing in FOOTBALL, , its competitive advantage in FOOTBALL. If a Penn State secretary or mechanic or the swimming coach had done what Sandusky did, I would hope that you don't actually believe there would have been the same high level cover up. Let's keep it real. The cover up was because it involved FOOTBALL, the face of the school. And since the FOOTBALL team functions under the rules of the NCAA, why is it not reasonable to expect the NCAA to act, on something as horrible as this.

btw, not ONE time have I mentioned ANYTHING about records, vacating wins, court system (its a given that the monsters should be punished there), I was speaking from the angle if the NCAA should be involved.
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The NCAA should be involved becasue its shows lack of instutional control (in the greatest sense) but what would be the fair thing to do at this point? Not shut the program down. Besides, even tho this is an unusal case, it was set a bad precedent.
 
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Rated R Superstar said:
Usually when the NCAA takes wins away from a school or coach, it is because that program gained some type of competitive advantage as a result of an illegal NCAA rule breaking activity. How does that apply in the Penn State situation?
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In Paterno's case in particular, this all happened in what 1994? nothing was said. he was trying to battle with Bowden at that time... If all of this had come out in say, 1998, would he be ahead of Bowden? Would have broken Eddie's record. NO. That is my point when it comes to Paterno. I am normally not one to take wins from schools.... but I think there is a way to remove his wins from the onset of this cover-up. That's just my opinion.
 
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unknown1 said:
If i'm working at Walmart and decide its a good idea to fondle women in the bathroom, when I get caught i'm going to jail.
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bad example
When you get caught, will Walmart lie to the police for you and then later give you a key to the women's bathroom and unlimited access to it for YEARS down the line?
 
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