Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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You have to be mildly retarded to think the NCAA should use this as reason to sanction Penn State lol. It's a criminal case that had nothing to do with the program other than the fact that the people worked there while they did it. That's a case you can drop, the NCAA won't do anything in this case as they shouldn't. Let the law handle it. If i'm working at Walmart and decide its a good idea to fondle women in the bathroom, when I get caught i'm going to jail. Walmart will still be operating as normal after they lock me up.. that's the way criminal cases work.



It does show lack of institutional control and that is one of the NCAAs most common penalties. I think getting that is automatic. The penalty for it is what will be the sticking point.
 
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The NCAA should be involved becasue its shows lack of instutional control (in the greatest sense)
I don't see how anybody could argue against that. The President, the Vice President, the AD, AND the head coach were all in on the cover up. Can't be any more clear cut case of a lack of institutional control than that.
 



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I don't see how anybody could argue against that. The President, the Vice President, the AD, AND the head coach were all in on the cover up. Can't be any more clear cut case of a lack of institutional control than that.

The NCAA definiion is specifically related to NCAA rules not being implemented or followed.
 
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In Paterno's case in particular, this all happened in what 1994? nothing was said. he was trying to battle with Bowden at that time... If all of this had come out in say, 1998, would he be ahead of Bowden? Would have broken Eddie's record. NO. That is my point when it comes to Paterno. I am normally not one to take wins from schools.... but I think there is a way to remove his wins from the onset of this cover-up. That's just my opinion.

Actually Paterno was made aware of an incident as far back as 1998, and later in 2001 when the G.A. told him that Sandusky was fugging a boy in the shower. However, Sandusky wasn't even coaching after 1998 and wasn't involved in football operations when he "retired."

I don't believe Paterno stuck around just to break the record, considering it has been reported he had lucrative multimillion-dollar dollar business deals in the works with Second Mile associates, who were suspected of being involved in molesting boys themselves. Additionally, it was recently reported that Joe Paterno attempted to renegotiate his contract to acquire $3 million upon his retirement following the 2011 season because he knew this whole situation was about to blow up.

If anything, money and probably protecting his business partners were more of a motivating factor in covering up rape than going for some record.

But again, what grounds does the NCAA have in taking away wins when it hasn't been established how covering up child rape helped Penn State win football games or gave them an advantage over other schools in the Big Ten.

I can see the death penalty for lack of institutional control, though.
 
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at a minimum, doesn't the NCAA have rules on ethics

10.1 UNETHICAL CONDUCT


Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member
(e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited
to, the following: (Revised: 1/10/90, 1/9/96, 2/22/01)
(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation
when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution;
(b) Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an
enrolled student-athlete;
(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement
or extra benefit or improper financial aid; (Revised: 1/9/96)
(d) Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual’s institution false or misleading information concerning
the individual’s involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;
(e) Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a studentathlete
and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor (e.g., “runner”); (Adopted:
1/9/96, Revised: 8/4/05)
(f ) Knowing involvement in providing a banned substance or impermissible supplement to student-athletes,
or knowingly providing medications to student-athletes contrary to medical licensure, commonly accepted
standards of care in sports medicine practice, or state and federal law. This provision shall not apply to banned
substances for which the student-athlete has received a medical exception per Bylaw 31.2.3.5; however, the
substance must be provided in accordance with medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care and
state or federal law; (Adopted: 8/4/05, Revised: 5/6/08)
(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or an institution’s
admissions office regarding an individual’s academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of
coursework, grades and test scores); (Adopted: 4/27/06, Revised: 10/23/07)
(h) Fraudulence or misconduct in connection with entrance or placement examinations; (Adopted: 4/27/06)
(i) Engaging in any athletics competition under an assumed name or with intent to otherwise deceive; or (Adopted:
4/27/06)
(j) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or the
institution’s athletics department regarding an individual’s amateur status. (Adopted: 1/8/07, Revised: 5/9/07)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf
 
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Perhaps the NCAA can do like the SWAC and just make up a new rule to specifically apply to Penn State's situation and make it retroactive.:smh:
 
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so, you don't think the cover up was on so Penn State could maintain it's standing in FOOTBALL, , its competitive advantage in FOOTBALL. If the Pres, VP, AD, coach had acted as any reasonable person would have, this stuff would have been reported when it first came to their attention. But it wasn't reported. And the reason it wasn't reported is because it was Penn State FOOTBALL. Period. If a Penn State secretary or mechanic or the swimming coach had done what Sandusky did, I would hope that you don't actually believe there would have been the same high level cover up. Let's keep it real. The cover up was because it involved FOOTBALL, the face of the $chool. And since the FOOTBALL team functions under the rules of the NCAA, why is it not reasonable to expect the NCAA to act, on something as horrible as this.

btw, not ONE time have I mentioned ANYTHING about records, vacating wins, court system (its a given that the monsters should be punished there), I was speaking from the angle if the NCAA should be involved.

I agree with what you are saying. . . to the extent that this happened because of the power of "FOOTBALL". I think that what happened was a CRIME. Because of the power of football. . . YES. A CRIME non-the-less. Not cheating in FOOTBALL. Not cheating the NCAA rules to gain a competative advantage.
A CRIME that broke the LAW .
Lawrence Phillips (Nebraska running back) broke the LAW and assaulted women. Why was he in the position to attrack potential victims? FOOTBALL. Mike Tyson. Convicted of rape. Why was he in a position to share a hotel with a beauty pagent queen ???? BOXING (football interchangeale -athletic achievement:wink:) Broke the LAW. Went to JAIL. What does Lawrence Phillips or Mike Tyson's crimes have to do with who was the heavy weight champion or who won the Big 12???
 
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Can someone tell me how in the heck is punishing over 100 football players that had nothing to do with this a good thing. :noidea:

You want to punish someone, get on that DA's azz and tell him to start handcuffing more people on Penn States Board and upper MGNT than the one already in jail for covering shat up.

How can you justify telling over 100 kids that they didn't do anything, you not part of the coverup, you not part of the crimes committed, but we about to reem your azzes for the shat Penn States Big Wigs did. :smh:
 
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If anything, money and probably protecting his business partners were more of a motivating factor in covering up rape than going for some record.

But again, what grounds does the NCAA have in taking away wins when it hasn't been established how covering up child rape helped Penn State win football games or gave them an advantage over other schools in the Big Ten.

The record is what he was after. PERIOD. He wasn't even coaching anymore. He was just standing there and doing interviews.

Also, this will be established. The cover-up kept his DC on the field and the cover up kept him ON THE FIELD. No one can prove that a "bought" players translate to wins on the field. That should not be considered when dishing out the punishment. Just like they think he should not be honored with a statue, I don't feel he should be honored with a record he never would have got had this all came out two weeks earlier.
 
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The record is what he was after. PERIOD. He wasn't even coaching anymore. He was just standing there and doing interviews.

Also, this will be established. The cover-up kept his DC on the field and the cover up kept him ON THE FIELD. No one can prove that a "bought" players translate to wins on the field. That should not be considered when dishing out the punishment. Just like they think he should not be honored with a statue, I don't feel he should be honored with a record he never would have got had this all came out two weeks earlier.

The DC wasn't employed at the time.
 
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Can someone tell me how in the heck is punishing over 100 football players that had nothing to do with this a good thing.
The penalty wouldn't be against the players. It would be against the school.
Just like it always is.
 
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The record is what he was after. PERIOD. He wasn't even coaching anymore. He was just standing there and doing interviews.

Also, this will be established. The cover-up kept his DC on the field and the cover up kept him ON THE FIELD. No one can prove that a "bought" players translate to wins on the field. That should not be considered when dishing out the punishment. Just like they think he should not be honored with a statue, I don't feel he should be honored with a record he never would have got had this all came out two weeks earlier.

Nah. Joe Paterno was going to be head coach until he died regardless if a record was on the line or not. The record wasn't a motivating factor for him to stick around. If it was, he wouldn't have demanded to stay on as head coach even after Sandusky was arrested.

Remember, he came out with a statement saying he was going to coach in the Nebraska game and beyond no matter what. Then school officials fired him over the phone. Dude just wanted to coach the team as long as he was physically able.
 
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This is a sad situation for everyone involved. I don't believe in punishing innocent people. Just like I do not agree with FAMU's band being suspended. It's unequal justice. Yet, that culture has to be stopped.
 



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Perhaps the NCAA can do like the SWAC and just make up a new rule to specifically apply to Penn State's situation and make it retroactive.:smh:

These boys ain't the SWAC, they'd fight that nonsense tooth and nail. Also, its de facto legislation, which in my public school civics class lessons in high school, is ILLEGAL.
 
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I don't see how anybody could argue against that. The President, the Vice President, the AD, AND the head coach were all in on the cover up. Can't be any more clear cut case of a lack of institutional control than that.

Hard to argue against institutional control. . . But I think as it relates to the NCAA, it would have to be in conjunction with the way the football program was run or any rules violations going unchecked. . .
 
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Death Penalty bottom line. The Kids can go else where, taking away PSU program for a few years will hurt more than a few fines and locking someone up. They need to learn that child molestation is unacceptable and covering it up is sick beyond measure. Allowing them to continue on after this like nothing happened is blasphemous....
 
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There is no way the NCAA bans Penn State from playing football this year.
 
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Looks like they setting the rope up to hang em high
After the report from last week, I don't think its any question the NCAA will get 'em with the lack of institutional control charge. The only question will be what will the penalties entail.

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