Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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That's because Joe Paterno was a stubborn old man who knew the power he possessed and the board backing he had.

Even to this day, Penn State has officials on its board who believe Joe Paterno did no wrong and that this was not a football scandal.

The only way Joe Paterno would not have been coaching Penn State football is if there was some hideous scandal that forced him out or he died. If Jerry Sandusky didn't exist and Joe didn't die, dude would still be coaching that team regardless of what records were at stake.

1.) Ok so which is it.. were they waiting for the day for him to stop coaching or were they backing him? You can't say both!

2.) That is exactly my point, this scandal would have driven him off the sideline years ago. He would be number three in win totals.
 
Joe Pa is the scape goat, now that he is deceased its easier to say "Oh Joe Pa let this go on" Yea that may be true but I have a gut feeling people that are still on staff there was behind it as well. Its still a lot of covering up going on and a lot of people are walking away scott free even though they probably participated and knew about what was going. Blaming Joe Pa is basically sweeping it under the rug because its nothing we can really do to him. Sandusky got charged and he is taking the fall for majority of the program to save it. His family will be set for life and Sandusky will live like a king in jail. Its sad that this is the only thing that will be done to the Penn St program. I agree they should get the death penalty, Penn St needs to suffer more instead of just one arrest. Taking statues down isnt enough either. The last thing they should be worried about is football at this point, let the kids transfer somewhere else. Playing football aint that serious when raping kids is involved....
 



Hell, these players were not even there back then. LOL. If they do punish them. Then every player should be allowed to transfer anywhere penalty free with all eligibility in tack.



I agree. I don't think the current program should be punished but I also don't think Joe should be rewarded. To me, those are separate issues. Vacating wins from the onset of this cover-up would not hurt any players or the program.
 
1.) Ok so which is it.. were they waiting for the day for him to stop coaching or were they backing him? You can't say both!

2.) That is exactly my point, this scandal would have driven him off the sideline years ago. He would be number three in win totals.

He didn't need the backing of the board, he wielded more power than they did, which is why they couldn't force him off the sidelines without a major scandal.
 
1.) Ok so which is it.. were they waiting for the day for him to stop coaching or were they backing him? You can't say both!

2.) That is exactly my point, this scandal would have driven him off the sideline years ago. He would be number three in win totals.

1. While I believe some administrators were not too pleased that Joe was around, he was probably going to leave on his terms. Either retirement or death.

2. Back to these wins. Like I've repeatedly, few programs in the country are clean. Penn State had a sex scandal. Florida State, under Bobby Bowden, used ineligible players which cost him wins. Grambling State was placed on probation during Robinson's days. Luckily the NCAA didn't come down harder on the football team.

Even if the NCAA strips Paterno of wins, which is unlikely, the Mt. Rushmore of college coaches will still all have stains on their resumes. Some would just be greater than others.
 
So why not disband the Catholic church for all of it's priests molesting little boys, while the head officials turned a blind eye and are still turning their eyes away?

LOL, them dudes got Sandusky beat by a mile.
 
HIT. DOG. HOLLERED.

This is what you said.
Inherent racism is alive and very much in play...I've never seen as many folks who hadn't attended but got a shirt from a cousin's, girlfriend's, brother's son PWC that have folks having their backs so fiercely. YET there was some sad assed supreme crabs in a barrel clowning going on about the latest APR penalties at our fellow institutions...and they actually ATTENDED these schools? Y'all don't see the obvious mismatch in mindsets here?

1. Now throughout all the posts about this topic name one person who is/has backed or defended Penn State, Jerry Sandusky or Joe Paterno so fiercely as you said?

2. I actually have called for and would support Penn State receiving the death penalty. However, through all the examples provided by me and others, that the NCAA doesn't take away team wins for criminal acts by players and or coaches that didn't involve actual NCAA rules violations. There isn't one case on the books. Again, the only thing that comes close the Penn State sex scandal was the Baylor basketball murder scandal a few years where then head coach Dave Bliss was involved in on a lower scale. He was banned from coaching for a decade by the NCAA, but none of his wins were taken away, though.

3. I've never clowned any school about their APR (because it's kinda pointless and stupid). You can go through all the threads where the topic had been discussed and you won't find one instance where I've said anything about APR aside from the stuff I've reported or written on the front of this very website.
 
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This is what you said.


1. Now throughout all the posts about this topic name one person who is/has backed or defended Penn State, Jerry Sandusky or Joe Paterno so fiercely as you said?

2. I actually have called for and would support Penn State receiving the death penalty. However, through all the examples provided by me and others, that the NCAA doesn't take away team wins for criminal acts by players and or coaches that didn't involve actual NCAA rules violations. There isn't one case on the books. Again, the only thing that comes close the Penn State sex scandal was the Baylor basketball murder scandal a few years where then head coach Dave Bliss was involved in on a lower scale. He was banned from coaching for a decade by the NCAA, but none of his wins were taken away, though.

3. I've never clowned any school about their APR (because it's kinda pointless and stupid). You can go through all the threads where the topic had been discussed and you won't find one instance where I've said anything about APR aside from the stuff I've reported or written on the front of this very website.

HIT. DOG. HOLLERING. LOUDER.
 
This is one for law enforcement. The NCAA needs to stay out of this right now. This ain't got nothing to do with playing or not playing football games. The death penalty will only hurt a bunch of innocent people and really have no effect on the guilty. I never believe in a sweeping punishment that hits mostly innocent people. If others were involved, damn a football game, catch they ass and throw them in jail with Sanducky where they belong.

All those shouting the death penalty think it makes them look like they got extra morals or something, looking for 30 seconds of shine on sports center or TSPN or something.
 
This is one for law enforcement. The NCAA needs to stay out of this right now. This ain't got nothing to do with playing or not playing football games. The death penalty will only hurt a bunch of innocent people and really have no effect on the guilty. I never believe in a sweeping punishment that hits mostly innocent people. If others were involved, damn a football game, catch they ass and throw them in jail with Sanducky where they belong.

All those shouting the death penalty think it makes them look like they got extra morals or something, looking for 30 seconds of shine on sports center or TSPN or something.

Well, I can understand the cries for the death penalty and even the notion that Joe Paterno's wins should be vacated from the stand point that the NCAA routinely busts athletes and schools for $100 handshake deals or selling memorabilia.

How can the NCAA crack down on Boise State for giving a kid $2.34, but won't do anything to Penn State for covering up child rape that involved football coaches?

Now, I call for the death penalty solely for the purpose of destroying the culture that make demigods out of athletic teams and coaches. Joe Paterno and that football program had way too much power. Many believe that is the reason Sandusky was allowed to have his way with young boys for decades on that campus.

But if the NCAA drops an atom bomb on Penn State, it would open up the door for the collegiate governing body to pinch schools for all sorts of things.

Penn State would be the first school sanctioned solely because its representatives broke the law. That may sound dandy, but it would set a prickly precedent.

Police arrested 30 Florida football players during Urban Meyer’s tenure. Would that now rise to “lack of institutional control?â€￾

Georgia players can't seem to stay out of trouble under Mark Richt.

Just this spring, Montana fired its football coach and athletic director after two football players were accused of sexual assault. Does Mark Emmert need to act? -- AOL Fanhouse

Then there was the mysterious case of an unnamed Notre Dame football player being accused of rape. The victim, due to harassment, then later ended up killing herself. Nothing ever came of that case even though the woman's family believes the school covered it up to protect the football team and the athlete.

It would be a tremendous slippery slope to say the least.
 
I disagree. This has nothing to do with play on the field or illegal recruiting. The proper folks are handling the situation which are the judicial system and law enforcement. NCAA needs to keep it's hands off.

Why punish hundreds of thousands of folks for something men did behind closed doors without knowledge from the public?
Punish the ones who are guilty and don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

I agree. As oppose to Florida (football), Clemson (football), SMU and most of the Southwest Conference, Kentucky (basketball), UCLA (basketball) and other schools, Penn State did not get a competitive advantage.
 
I agree. As oppose to Florida (football), Clemson (football), SMU and most of the Southwest Conference, Kentucky (basketball), UCLA (basketball) and other schools, Penn State did not get a competitive advantage.

And that's essentially why the NCAA is not going to step in. Until something comes out linking this God-awful situation to some of these molested kids trading sex for scholarships (thus gaining a competitive advantage, improper benefits), the NCAA is not going to act.

Hell, the millions in lawsuits and bad publicity Penn State has coming down the pike could be punishment enough.

If the NCAA hits Penn State with the death penalty on this, then they have to hit other schools with bad non-sports related incidents too with it.

Also, when the NCAA put SMU on the death penalty, the other Southwest Conference schools had to scramble to replace them on the schedule — and some believe the death penalty was a contributing factor of the dissolution of the SWC. Penn State could recover quicker than SMU did, but you never know what'll happen in this current landscape of college football.
 



This is one for law enforcement. The NCAA needs to stay out of this right now. This ain't got nothing to do with playing or not playing football games. The death penalty will only hurt a bunch of innocent people and really have no effect on the guilty. I never believe in a sweeping punishment that hits mostly innocent people. If others were involved, damn a football game, catch they ass and throw them in jail with Sanducky where they belong.

All those shouting the death penalty think it makes them look like they got extra morals or something, looking for 30 seconds of shine on sports center or TSPN or something.

I agree.
 
Eric Adelson

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Penn State could pay $100 million in civil damages to Sandusky's victims and lose public funding

Fri, Jul 13, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

Penn State supporters likely felt the university hit rock bottom Thursday with the release of the Freeh Report, with its damning litany of evidence that school leaders ignored and concealed horrific crimes against children.

But the cost to Penn State could be more severe than anyone imagined. The university could eventually fork out more than $100 million to victims of Jerry Sandusky's child molestation, experts say.

Although the Freeh Report is not a legal document, its findings following the conviction of Sandusky, a former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator, on 45 counts of child molestation would make any civil trial difficult for the school to win. Penn State already has encouraged victims to come forward and settle, but now the victims will be encouraged (and many will say justified) to come forward asking for millions of dollars.

"Penn State could get clobbered," said Norm Pattis, a leading trial lawyer based in Connecticut who specializes in civil suits. "The plaintiff's theory is not just that people were injured but that lives were ruined. It's not uncommon to see behavioral problems. I think the damage claims could be very significant."

How significant?

"Five million apiece is a conservative estimate," Pattis said. "If I had one of these plaintiffs, I'd hold out for a $10 million settlement and it would take a lot of work to get me to do less."

Some experts feel that number is excessive, that six-figure settlements are more likely. "Somebody said $10 million per victim," said legal expert Michael McCann, director of the Sports Law Institute and professor of law at Vermont Law School and a contributor for Sports Illustrated. "No, I don't see where that number is from. When somebody dies, it's not that high."

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"They could lose federal funding," said one attorney in the counsel's office of a major university, who requested anonymity. "It will bury the institution. There will be no university without financial aid."

Is Penn State in jeopardy of surviving as an institution? Most experts say no. But there is a price to pay for a total failure of leadership at one of the nation's top universities. And that price will be enormous.

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Dan Wetzel
Yahoo! Expert

Graham Spanier, disgraced ex-Penn State president, epitomized NCAA hypocrisy

There is one instance in the Freeh Commission report where Graham Spanier, the disgraced former Penn State president, said enough is enough. One instance when he slammed down his authoritative fist to protect the welfare of his charges and the reputation of his institution.

It wasn't against Jerry Sandusky, of course.

It was December 1997 and Spanier was soon to learn that the longtime Penn State defensive coordinator had been accused of molesting a young boy while showering with him in the Penn State locker room, according to the Freeh report. But Spanier wouldn't stand up to old Jer, because that wouldn't be the "humane" way of handling it. Or so he wrote in an email.

No, Sandusky got to keep fondling right under Spanier's nose for years to come.

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Penn State should decide to sit out one year

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_state_should_decide_to_si.html#incart_river_default

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- Nebraska coach Bo Pelini understood football's place last November. After his team won at Penn State, Pelini said the game shouldn't have been played given the shadow of the Jerry Sandusky child-sex scandal and Joe Paterno's firing.

"I thought that this game gave us an opportunity to show that the situation going on is bigger than football," Pelini said at the time. "It is bigger than the football game that was just played. It is bigger than the young men that played in the game that would have missed it, had they called it off. It's about education and putting things into perspective what the situation is all about."

Are you listening, Penn State?

Jon Solomon is a columnist for The Birmingham News. Join him for live web chats on college sports on Wednesdays at 2 p.m.
Nothing Penn State can do will change the lives scarred by Sandusky through enablement by the school. But Penn State has a rare opportunity to help cleanse itself -- and bail out the boxed-in NCAA in the process.

Don't play football for a year.

Don't act like the victim and make the NCAA do the dirty work, if the NCAA even would. Not when there are real victims.

Don't hide behind interpretations of NCAA rules designed to enforce NCAA "crimes," such as free tattoos and paying players their actual market value. Not when doing the right thing can redefine what "We are Penn State" means.

Penn State could even wait a year to take the season off. The delay would allow innocent players, coaches and recruit to leave, and let the Big Ten reconfigure schedules and TV revenue.

I know this sounds like a fairy tale. Who would self-impose the death penalty? We're so jaded -- myself included -- by how college sports operate that self-reflecting on priorities becomes actual grounds to be mocked.
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

I disagree.

If my son is a Penn State football commit, he shouldn't be punished for something he played no part in.

The NCAA already has enough power. This is a criminal issue. Not a competitive/shut-the-program-down issue.
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

I disagree.

If my son is a Penn State football commit, he shouldn't be punished for something he played no part in.

The NCAA already has enough power. This is a criminal issue. Not a competitive/shut-the-program-down issue.

I agree.
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

I disagree.

If my son is a Penn State football commit, he shouldn't be punished for something he played no part in.

The NCAA already has enough power. This is a criminal issue. Not a competitive/shut-the-program-down issue.


Well, your son would be allowed to transfer to any school in the country without having to sit out a year. Something similar happen when SMU got the death penalty in the 80s.
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

I disagree.

If my son is a Penn State football commit, he shouldn't be punished for something he played no part in.

The NCAA already has enough power. This is a criminal issue. Not a competitive/shut-the-program-down issue.


Exactly. But I see folks want Penn State to shut it down. Well hell, it aint going to hurt them. They are not a Big 10 threat anyway. Shutdown for a year shows what? Happy Valley will still be packed to capacity in 2013 and on TV. All it will do is punish the current kids. Penn State will still sell Penn State paraphernalia to their fans and make money. Sitting out a year aint going to break them from thinking football is big. How do you do that to a fan base?
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

Well, your son would be allowed to transfer to any school in the country without having to sit out a year. Something similar happen when SMU got the death penalty in the 80s.


SMU situation was straight up cheating though. LOL. THem mofos were paying to play. Including the Texas Gov. But as you can see, it didn't stop nobody else from doing it. It shole taught these FBS level schools to go clean didn't it. And all it boiled down to was that UT and A&M were pissed they got out recruited and out paid by tiny/private school SMU. LOL. No way the big state schools were going to allow SMU to continue that.
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

Well, your son would be allowed to transfer to any school in the country without having to sit out a year. Something similar happen when SMU got the death penalty in the 80s.

What about Baylor??? They let kids leave without sitting out and didn't play any OOC games in basketball.


All it will do is punish the current kids. Penn State will still sell Penn State paraphernalia to their fans and make money. How do you do that to a fan base?

You like how USC's current players are suffering thanks to OJ Mayo? Or Missouri's plays years ago thanks to Quinn Snyder? What about Indiana's basketball team? Michiagan is just now recovering from the Fab 5 failures's antics.

University of Miami shut their program down for 15 years.

We have seen teams suffer because of someone's past actions. Those kids are going to suffer in some form. If you are a player on that team-you want to be there no matter what. A year isn't going to kill them.
 
Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

What about Baylor??? They let kids leave without sitting out and didn't play any OOC games in basketball.




You like how USC's current players are suffering thanks to OJ Mayo? Or Missouri's plays years ago thanks to Quinn Snyder? What about Indiana's basketball team? Michiagan is just now recovering from the Fab 5 failures's antics.

University of Miami shut their program down for 15 years.

We have seen teams suffer because of someone's past actions. Those kids are going to suffer in some form. If you are a player on that team-you want to be there no matter what. A year isn't going to kill them.

How is Missouri suffering? Didn't they make the tourney last season? Got upset but they are doing okay.

USC basketball has always sucked. OJ Mayo didn't cause that. LOL. Hell they sucked with him there. They just never hire well.

And the Fab Five stuff didn't shut Michigan down. Actually Tractor Traylor and the ones who followed the Fab Five played just as much of a role in them getting smacked by the NCAA. It was more than just the Fab Five. They just got all the criticism. But again, Michigan aint a basketball school. Every once and while they showed up in basketball. The late 80s were their best run when they won with Rummeal Robinson and Glen Rice.


Miami didn't have any money to put into basketball to sustain a good program. They just were not dedicated to basketball. They made their own decision to be gone that long. Bet they would never shut their football program down unless the NCAA does.

And the actions of the program itself caused kids to suffer in all those cases. They tried to stack the deck to win. Penn State didn't get any extra wins out of the Sandusky stuff. Hell they have been mediocre for the last 15 years for the most part. Just good enough to get to a bowl game. Some would argue that Penn State was set back because they allowed Joe Pa to stay so long.
 
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