Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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mighty hornet said:
Yeah he lied about it. And when he found out bout the stuff in 1998 (probably knew even before then), he (and Penn State) still gave Sandusky access to the campus and opportunity to abuse even more kids.
It really is a damn shame!

I read somewhere that after McCreary saw Sandusky raping the kid on that Friday evening, he told Joe the next day. Joe said he was hesitant to report it immediately, cause he didn't want to ruin anybody's wknd. WTF??????????
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McQuery is a coward and he used this to stay on Joe Pa's staff. I do agree that Joe Pa probably knew or at least heard Sandusky was messing with boys before 98 since he let him go then. No doubt in my mind. But I think somebody bigger than all of them is involved. It don't make sense to allow that guy around. Why do you fire him but let him have access if he don't have something on the school or have some powerful benefactor. The rumor around State College and Big 10 country is that Sandusky was setting them boys out to some elite pedophiles. It is going to come out if they keep digging. I don't want them to close this investigation and just let a dead Joe Pa and those other 3 be the only fall guys. No way I believe they jeopardize their careers for an assistant coach and to protect the football program from just his wrongdoing. More to it.
 
mighty hornet said:
Yeah he lied about it. And when he found out bout the stuff in 1998 (probably knew even before then), he (and Penn State) still gave Sandusky access to the campus and opportunity to abuse even more kids.
It really is a damn shame!

I read somewhere that after McCreary saw Sandusky raping the kid on that Friday evening, he told Joe the next day. Joe said he was hesitant to report it immediately, cause he didn't want to ruin anybody's wknd. WTF??????????
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That was a foolish statement to make and have a lot of people scratching their heads. Should've reported instantly...
 



Hell, ruining a weekend and ruining a life time...guess that's about what and what huh?....this is some F-ed sh!t....
 
JR said:
You tell me why Joe Pa and the school officials would have been embarrassed and it been a scandal had they told the authorities right away?
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but JR,
Joe Pa and Penn State were "suppose" to be squeaky clean. For years, that was the image that was put out by the media. Joe was ruler over the perfect (and profitable) empire. A living legend who always did things the right way. So honest. So upstanding. So right. A scandal on this level would blow it all to pieces. I can easily see Joe, being a powerful legend there, in his warped mind, thinking this could be swept under the rug.
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
Please tell me how this is a football issue. Expound please. Joe Pa help to cover up for a sick bastard molesting children had nothing to do with football.
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This is a Joe Pa issue. If this had come out in 2010, would he have wins for the 2010 season? If this had come out in 2009, would he have wins for the 2009 season? If this had come out in 2008... see where "The Logical One" is going? The 'cover up" is the only reason Joe Pa got those wins and I STILL find it mighty strange that this schitt hit the fan ONE WEEK after he became College Football's winningest coach.
 
JR said:
I think it's bigger than that. I don't believe for one moment if was about football over an ALREADY fired assistant coach. Sandusky has something on someone really big. I really believe this is political and bigger than Penn State. You tell me why Joe Pa and the school officials would have been embarrassed and it been a scandal had they told the authorities right away? They would have looked like heroes to the general public. Since it didn't involve any of them or the players. How would Penn State football been embarrassed. Joe Pa could have come out and said he fired his long time assistant for being a pedophile and called the police. How would that embarrass Penn State? Those cats got spooked by something else or there is more pedophile behavior going on with someone bigger than Sandusky. I could understand if they were trying to cover up Joe Pa himself being a pedophile. But to protect an assistant coach that Joe already forced out in 98-99 just don't sit right with JR. There is more to this. More than Penn State is getting protected here and it aint about Football. Football is just the scapegoat for something even bigger and sinister than we have been told. Think about it.

I will say again. How would Penn State been embarrassed or ashamed for turning in a pedophile right away. The Media would have made Joe Pa the second coming of all that is right had he and the powers that be told the cops. I think they met and they discussed that it was more than just Sandusky involved. Maybe it was some big time boosters who are pedophiles too or some major political power. Something bigger than having a news conference to announce that an assistant coach was let go and arrested for being a child molester. Hell that would have helped Penn State in recruiting. Folks would have thought Joe Pa was the most up standing individual in the coaching game. Clearly he was troubled by Sandusky, because he let him go in 98-99 before the 01 stuff happened. Something else was in play here. There are more guilty folks who are about to get a pass because all anyone is going to focus on is a dead Joe Pa. Jag89 hit it on the head. I think there are more pedophiles involved in State College. Something just aint right about all this falling on those 4 guys. Aint no assistant coach worthy of that kind of protection unless there was more. Just my opinion.
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Good points.
 
Also remember....

Joe Paterno handled all disciplinary issues with the football program's athletes so who's to say rape(s), drugs(s), etc... were not covered up?
 
mighty hornet said:
but JR,
Joe Pa and Penn State were "suppose" to be squeaky clean. For years, that was the image that was put out by the media. Joe was ruler over the perfect (and profitable) empire. A living legend who always did things the right way. So honest. So upstanding. So right. A scandal on this level would blow it all to pieces. I can easily see Joe, being a powerful legend there, in his warped mind, thinking this could be swept under the rug.
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This makes no sense. Usually when a person turns in a pedophile, they're not blamed for the actions of that pedophile.
 
JR said:
Something else was in play here. There are more guilty folks who are about to get a pass because all anyone is going to focus on is a dead Joe Pa. Jag89 hit it on the head. I think there are more pedophiles involved in State College. Something just aint right about all this falling on those 4 guys. Aint no assistant coach worthy of that kind of protection unless there was more. Just my opinion.
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I think if that were the case, some of the kids would have already spoke on it.
 
mighty hornet said:
but JR,
Joe Pa and Penn State were "suppose" to be squeaky clean. For years, that was the image that was put out by the media. Joe was ruler over the perfect (and profitable) empire. A living legend who always did things the right way. So honest. So upstanding. So right. A scandal on this level would blow it all to pieces. I can easily see Joe, being a powerful legend there, in his warped mind, thinking this could be swept under the rug.
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But MH, had they told right away. It wouldn't have been a scandal. They would have looked even more squeaky clean while throwing Sandusky's pedophile arse under the bus and driving over him. That's my point. It aint no scandal until you try to hide it. Especially since Joe didn't do the molesting or Sandusky had not molested his players. At least as far as we know it. And even with this current situation. Penn State just recorded their second highest donations in history. Them fools aint going to stop packing that stadium and they are still going to make money. You don't fire Sandusky and let him have keys to the place if there isn't more to it. I aint buying that Joe and the administrators were afraid to tell just because it was Sandusky. The scandal they were trying to avoid must have included some booster. I think Sandusky blackmailed them mofos to keep access to the facilities. Something else is missing. See this is easy to bury now. Everybody is just blaming Joe Paterno and he's dead. Half of the board wanted him gone anyway. Just couldn't get the majority of them to vote him out. They tried for years. If anything, Penn State is about to be even bigger than before because they are going to scapegoat Joe and the 3 fired administrators while I think more folks knew and are involved will get a pass. I want all involved to suffer individually. We all know Penn State will not get the death penalty. Not going to happen. Joe Pa's legacy is going to be the only thing that gets smoked. Sandusky will probably die soon in prison. Penn State is already still getting recruits with THIS SCANDAL so that's why I don't believe they were worried about a scandal by telling on Sandusky. It was something else they feared. Or there is more scandal to this than what we have seen. If a booster was involved with Sandusky and them boys. Then now the NCAA can pounce. If they just let this die with Joe Pa taking all the blame then some folks are really going to get away with something. I think there are more pedophiles involved. I just do.
 
Tigerpride said:
This is a Joe Pa issue. If this had come out in 2010, would he have wins for the 2010 season? If this had come out in 2009, would he have wins for the 2009 season? If this had come out in 2008... see where "The Logical One" is going? The 'cover up" is the only reason Joe Pa got those wins and I STILL find it mighty strange that this schitt hit the fan ONE WEEK after he became College Football's winningest coach.
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Actually Sara Gamin, the great young reporter from the Harrisburg-Patriot News (P.A) a Penn State grad, was covering this Sandusky stuff long before the national media picked up on it.

As far as the whole idea about the cover up taking place in part so that Joe Paterno could win X number of games is far-fetched, considering school administrators requested the coach resign years ago, in which he refused.

So, Penn State had been eying the day when Joe would no longer be the head coach at the school.
 



Tigerpride said:
I think if that were the case, some of the kids would have already spoke on it.
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Not if those are not the only kids. We just saw the ones that came forward. There could many more and unfortunately some of them may now be pedophiles and do not want to come forward.
 
kendrick said:
Actually Sara Gamin, the great young reporter from the Harrisburg-Patriot News (P.A) a Penn State grad, was covering this Sandusky stuff long before the national media picked up on it.

As far as the whole idea about the cover up taking place in part so that Joe Paterno could win X number of games is far-fetched, considering school administrators requested the coach resign years ago, in which he refused.

So, Penn State had been eying the day when Joe would no longer be the head coach at the school.
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Yep. That board has been after Joe Pa for years. Remember he was not winning. He was getting his arse kicked in the Big 10. He had a few good years in the last 10-12 years. It was a lot of controversy going on whether they could force Joe out or not.
 
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Journalist said:
If I were Sandusky (and thank God I'm not), I would go Nicky Barnes and snitch on everybody. Sandusky has nothing to lose at this point.
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He has his life and his family’s life to lose. I'm sure the people he is protecting have made him aware of that.
 
C-LeB28 said:
Also remember....

Joe Paterno handled all disciplinary issues with the football program's athletes so who's to say rape(s), drugs(s), etc... were not covered up?
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This is where Sandusky comes in. Maybe he had something on Joe and others.
 
mighty hornet said:
I disagree. At the time, Sandusky was the defensive coordinator. He was molesting little kids. In the locker room.
That would have been a scandal from day 1.
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Folks would have given Joe a pass if they told back then. Hell they are still doing it. Explain why Penn State is still raking in all this money? And I thought the incident in the locker room was after Sandusky was not the DC anymore. So you are saying that this happened before 98?
 
mighty hornet said:
I disagree. At the time, Sandusky was the defensive coordinator. He was molesting little kids. In the locker room.
That would have been a scandal from day 1.
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Obviously something of that nature is a scandal, but the fallout from taking care of it immediately in 1998 or some other earlier year, with a far different media cycle, versus allowing to continue unchecked for another decade is night and day. The blame gets placed directly on the shoulders of Sandusky, Paterno gets the hero treatment, and everybody moves on to something else in a week.
 
Sandusky probably had connections to huge donors as well. That may have played a role in Penn State officials not reporting the incident. Those funds would've stopped coming in.
 
JR said:
And I thought the incident in the locker room was after Sandusky was not the DC anymore. So you are saying that this happened before 98?
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There were incidents that happened in the 90s that led to Sandusky "retiring". But when he "retired", he still had access to the campus and had an office there. After he retired, he kept right on molesting the kids.
 
JayRob said:
I disagree. This has nothing to do with play on the field or illegal recruiting. The proper folks are handling the situation which are the judicial system and law enforcement. NCAA needs to keep it's hands off.

Why punish hundreds of thousands of folks for something men did behind closed doors without knowledge from the public?
Punish the ones who are guilty and don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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I can't believe this but I'm actually agreeing with JayRob....

Tigerpride said:
I find it funny that EVERYTHING is being discussed EXCEPT vacating Penn State's wins dating back to this incident. You want to discuss a death penalty but not vacating wins.

Interesting...."Jafus"
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What wins was accrued because of this, they play the game on the field and none of this gave the team a advantage.
 
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