Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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Nope...crimes were committed both places--on campus and off-- and people will go to jail. Sandusky had the ability, the venues, the fox watching the hen house....they can connect the dots and make you understand these are really all apples and all oranges if you reverse the scenarios. Coach at FAMU f*cking minors in the shower while they scream...FAMU would be dismantled. WOULD have been finalized by now no matter what an alum said.

Sandusky had access, but there were no benefits (as far as we know) given to those kids he molested. If it comes out that he helped them get scholarships, then that will cause an NCAA investigation and due penalties — like the Alabama/Albert Means penalty.


Stop bringing FAMU into this, the situations are very different.
 
What? So okay penalize some band geeks and the director, but let the football program slide by?
The "members" of the FAMU band severely injured one of their peers and it eventually lead to his death. Did any players from Penn St. had anything to do with children being molested on campus? Were they accepting "special favors or treatment"? If so, then your comparison to the FAMU incident is valid. Otherwise, it's apples to oranges.
 



Honestly...all this reverence and initiation of excuses for a blatant crime...and the want, no the need for a handslap to let it all go away....it helps me to understand the complaint that was made how this is a SWAC page board....but most of the topics are about PWC schools....there is some love for Penn St. here...:smh:
 
The "members" of the FAMU band severely injured one of their peers and it eventually lead to his death. Did any players from Penn St. had anything to do with children being molested on campus? Were they accepting "special favors or treatment"? If so, then your comparison to the FAMU incident is valid. Otherwise, it's apples to oranges.

The coaches are part of the football team correct?
 
So why not disband the Catholic church for all of it's priests molesting little boys, while the head officials turned a blind eye and are still turning their eyes away?
 
Determined? It has already been determined. No control and cover ups!!
Man Phreeze, thank you for agreeing with me.


If FAMU's band (or Southern's band) were NCAA-sanctioned unit, then under the multiple offender rules, they would've been subjected to the "death penalty." No schollies, no TV.

However, since the band is NOT an NCAA-sanctioned unit, NCAA rules do not apply.

However, FAMU and Penn State could be on the hook for Clery Act violations if the US Department of Education determines they withheld information regarding crimes.
 
Sandusky had access, but there were no benefits (as far as we know) given to those kids he molested. If it comes out that he helped them get scholarships, then that will cause an NCAA investigation and due penalties — like the Alabama/Albert Means penalty.


Stop bringing FAMU into this, the situations are very different.

Free tickets, sideline passes, trips inside the locker rooms, ability to shower with children in a public place...

I'll bring in whomever I wish for my point :tup: FAMU has a huge scandal...the handling of it has been vastly different...
 
So why not disband the Catholic church for all of it's priests molesting little boys, while the head officials turned a blind eye and are still turning their eyes away?

Why not send all the atheist to hell for the killings, robberies, and many other crimes they do? Man get on with the church stuff dude. That is your fight with God not ours.
 
Kendrick, made (I think) an excellent point last November (with examples) on why nothing will likely come from the NCAA regarding striping Paterno of his wins.

http://fansnthestands.hbcufannation.com/2011/11/17/dont-bet-on-the-ncaa-stripping-joe-pas-record/

Not reporting child rape to the authorities will not place in peril Paterno’s national titles, Big Ten championships or those 24 bowl wins he garnered over four decades. It doesn’t work that way. It hasn’t worked that way. There is no precedent for it. Let’s take a look back in history shall we.

Louisville head basketball coach Rick Pitino admitted in 2009 to an extramarital affair six years earlier and said he had paid for the woman to have an abortion. The woman, Karen Sypher, was charged with extortion for demanding $10 million from Pitino. There were calls for Pitino to be fired. He wasn’t. The NCAA never reprimanded Slick Rick or the Cardinals basketball program either.

Pitino still is able to hold onto all of his 526 wins.

The only other case that rivals the Penn State sex abuse saga was the horrific Baylor basketball scandal. It involving everything, including murder.

Former Bears basketball player Patrick Dennehy was found dead in 2003, after he had gone missing for a month. His then teammate, Carlton Dotson, was eventually charged and pleaded guilty to killing his friend.

An investigation then uncovered drug use by several players and illegal payments made to players to the tune of $7,000 — a serious NCAA violation. Then head coach Dave Bliss was fired and barred from coaching under a 10-year show-clause order for what the NCAA called “a blatant and sweeping disregard” of rules.

After Bliss was exiled, it was revealed that he had told players to make up a story about Dennehy being a drug dealer in order to pay for his tuition. The tale was intended to serve as a cover-up for Bliss paying Dennehy’s tuition. The school imposed penalties on itself and the NCAA placed the basketball team on probation, and eliminated one season of non-conference play.

It was the harshest punishment a school could receive short of the death penalty. Yet, every single win Bliss tallied while at Baylor (61) were not touched by the NCAA.

That Baylor case regarding Dennehy was huge and shined a very bad light on Baylor, but the NCAA did not take wins away from Dave Bliss.
 
Please explain how?

Yes, they were both coverups to protect something people felt were bigger than the school.

1. Penn State: This is severely gross, but as we know to date, had nothing to do with Penn State's on-the-field performance. Like I told Topaz, if it comes out Sandusky was trading sexual favors for scholarships (just an example), then that will be under the scope of the NCAA and their regional accreditation.

2. FAMU's band isn't even in an NCAA sanctioned sport for one. The young man's death is one thing, but SACS is involved because of improper financial aid benefits to band members.

The biggest difference so far is that the FAMU band situation already has/had evidence that their fuggedupdness affected another part of the university in a tangible manner (improper financial aid/fraud).

They both will get looked at for Clery Act violations, but legally, two different situations. Emotionally, they're similar. However, I don't deal with emotionally, I deal with the actual factual and the legal stuff.
 
The judicial system should prosecute these men for not reporting the incidents and they should all be terminated.
The school will really be penalized when the victims start filing class-action or individual lawsuits.
Penn State's about to dish out boatloads of cash.
 
Well I deal with facts also. The band lead to SACs coming in with gloves off. Why not at PSU? Tell me that fact finder.
Yes, they were both coverups to protect something people felt were bigger than the school.

1. Penn State: This is severely gross, but as we know to date, had nothing to do with Penn State's on-the-field performance. Like I told Topaz, if it comes out Sandusky was trading sexual favors for scholarships (just an example), then that will be under the scope of the NCAA and their regional accreditation.

2. FAMU's band isn't even in an NCAA sanctioned sport for one. The young man's death is one thing, but SACS is involved because of improper financial aid benefits to band members.

The biggest difference so far is that the FAMU band situation already has/had evidence that their fuggedupdness affected another part of the university in a tangible manner (improper financial aid/fraud).

They both will get looked at for Clery Act violations, but legally, two different situations. Emotionally, they're similar. However, I don't deal with emotionally, I deal with the actual factual and the legal stuff.
 



No it shouldn't. This cover up was in place so Penn State football could keep being the cash cow that it was. I'm sure the NCAA has some policies/standards on ethics for its member schools. And I'm sure this large scale, long time cover up by top officials violated it. If this aint a case of lack of institutional control.....

14 years of covering up. Now it has come out that Joe Pa lied about his knowledge of the situation and people still want to say it ain't football related. Didn't one of these incidents happen on campus and a FOOTBALL coach witnessed it and didn't alert the authorities (only alerted his father who alerted Joe Pa)


This is actually going to sound strange but people wanted to hang JSU out to dry for the murder that occurred recently at that party when all the facts hadn't came out yet we know a lot of the facts in this case and people still to want to say this isn't a lack of institutional control
 
Well I deal with facts also. The band lead to SACs coming in with gloves off. Why not at PSU? Tell me that fact finder.

The US Dept of Education is currently investigating both schools on Clery Act violations. Unlike the Freeh report, the FEDS do have subpoena power. Also, SACS is not the accrediting board for Penn State. There are six regional accrediting bodies for higher education/secondary education in the US.

Once again, if the authorities find fraud at Penn State (like if Sandusky had a sex-for-scholarship deal going), then accreditation folks will come in because that also includes financial aid.

The FAMU band did not bring SACS on FAMU, per se. It was their improper financial aid practices with the band that brought SACS on FAMU.
 
The judicial system should prosecute these men for not reporting the incidents and they should all be terminated.
The school will really be penalized when the victims start filing class-action or individual lawsuits.
Penn State's about to dish out boatloads of cash.

Nobody wants to defend those guys in court. The lawsuits are being filed as we speak. This situation is Shabba Ranks ugly.
 
Inherent racism is alive and very much in play...I've never seen as many folks who hadn't attended but got a shirt from a cousin's, girlfriend's, brother's son PWC that have folks having their backs so fiercely. YET there was some sad assed supreme crabs in a barrel clowning going on about the latest APR penalties at our fellow institutions...and they actually ATTENDED these schools? Y'all don't see the obvious mismatch in mindsets here?

Why ask that. No you don't because you don't WANT TO.
 
14 years of covering up. Now it has come out that Joe Pa lied about his knowledge of the situation

Yeah he lied about it. And when he found out bout the stuff in 1998 (probably knew even before then), he (and Penn State) still gave Sandusky access to the campus and opportunity to abuse even more kids.
It really is a damn shame!

I read somewhere that after McCreary saw Sandusky raping the kid on that Friday evening, he told Joe the next day. Joe said he was hesitant to report it immediately, cause he didn't want to ruin anybody's wknd. WTF??????????
 
man these folks can't be this naive. Football was the reason. Joe Pa was football. They covered up so the football team could be protected.


I think it's bigger than that. I don't believe for one moment if was about football over an ALREADY fired assistant coach. Sandusky has something on someone really big. I really believe this is political and bigger than Penn State. You tell me why Joe Pa and the school officials would have been embarrassed and it been a scandal had they told the authorities right away? They would have looked like heroes to the general public. Since it didn't involve any of them or the players. How would Penn State football been embarrassed. Joe Pa could have come out and said he fired his long time assistant for being a pedophile and called the police. How would that embarrass Penn State? Those cats got spooked by something else or there is more pedophile behavior going on with someone bigger than Sandusky. I could understand if they were trying to cover up Joe Pa himself being a pedophile. But to protect an assistant coach that Joe already forced out in 98-99 just don't sit right with JR. There is more to this. More than Penn State is getting protected here and it aint about Football. Football is just the scapegoat for something even bigger and sinister than we have been told. Think about it.

I will say again. How would Penn State been embarrassed or ashamed for turning in a pedophile right away. The Media would have made Joe Pa the second coming of all that is right had he and the powers that be told the cops. I think they met and they discussed that it was more than just Sandusky involved. Maybe it was some big time boosters who are pedophiles too or some major political power. Something bigger than having a news conference to announce that an assistant coach was let go and arrested for being a child molester. Hell that would have helped Penn State in recruiting. Folks would have thought Joe Pa was the most up standing individual in the coaching game. Clearly he was troubled by Sandusky, because he let him go in 98-99 before the 01 stuff happened. Something else was in play here. There are more guilty folks who are about to get a pass because all anyone is going to focus on is a dead Joe Pa. Jag89 hit it on the head. I think there are more pedophiles involved in State College. Something just aint right about all this falling on those 4 guys. Aint no assistant coach worthy of that kind of protection unless there was more. Just my opinion.
 
Yeah he lied about it. And when he found out bout the stuff in 1998 (probably knew even before then), he (and Penn State) still gave Sandusky access to the campus and opportunity to abuse even more kids.
It really is a damn shame!

I read somewhere that after McCreary saw Sandusky raping the kid on that Friday evening, he told Joe the next day. Joe said he was hesitant to report it immediately, cause he didn't want to ruin anybody's wknd. WTF??????????

Guese JoePa said the kids booty was already blown out and his weekend already ruined...so why not let somebody have a good one---have a steak with the wife and kids and enjoy life...
 
If I were Sandusky (and thank God I'm not), I would go Nicky Barnes and snitch on everybody. Sandusky has nothing to lose at this point.
 
Inherent racism is alive and very much in play...I've never seen as many folks who hadn't attended but got a shirt from a cousin's, girlfriend's, brother's son PWC that have folks having their backs so fiercely. YET there was some sad assed supreme crabs in a barrel clowning going on about the latest APR penalties at our fellow institutions...and they actually ATTENDED these schools? Y'all don't see the obvious mismatch in mindsets here?

Why ask that. No you don't because you don't WANT TO.

Amen!
 
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