What is the MEAC fascination with going to the Div. I-AA playoffs?


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dayum the playoffs. When they get they money right then come talk but until then hell no!!!!!!!!!! I guess the meac feel as though they have show them something. Hampton gets on the road and has a better record than the team who is at home. Please!!!!!!!! The meac needs to wake up and let these pwc's wollow in their own mess and let them keep getting pimped by daddy ncaa. It is not about movign th ebc or turkey classic. It is about money and i am glad these swac presidents and ad's know this. 75% of the gate gone and i cannot sell no merchandise. THAT IS PIMPING 101 FOLKS!!!!!!! I say we get the meac commish on the phone and talk business and smart business and not proving masser' wron by going to some stupid playoff system!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING THE HERITAGE BOWL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Albany St. and Hampton were neither on television during the playoffs. And just about two years ago, FAMU said they were loosing atleast $700,000 a year on traveling expenses against other MEAC opponents. My friends, my dear friends, my brothers and sisters, that amount of money speaks for itself. FAMU and BCC may have made over a million dollars in the Florida Classic, but those expenses have netted you-0000000000000000000000000000000. So, go on to those far away places in the Appalacians or the Alaganeys of New York and Penn. or on some far away peninsula or swamp in the sunset. :bowdown: :smash:
 

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First of all, I agree that we need to have post-season bowl game between SWAC/MEAC. But there is nothing wrong having playing in the playoffs either. The SWAC has been successful beating other 1-aa schools during regular season i.e. McNessee State. The 2001 Grambling Tigers Football Team had all the makings of winning 1-aa title. And same could had been said of last season Southern Jaguars as well.

However, I am of the opinion that SWAC need to move up both Bayou Classic and Turkey Day Classic, therefore Alabama State, Grambling State, and Southern could possibly compete for 1-aa national title. The SWAC is one the most exciting football conferences in all of 1-aa football. Our universities and coaches need more exspoure and visiblity nationally. We have the talent and coaches to do what it takes to win 1-aa national titles.

Finally, I do agree we need have our confernece champions particapting in playoffs and the runner ups in the Hertiage Bowl. I remeber last season how both CIAA and SIAC champions was overloooked by D2 Selection committiee. The 2003 Pionner Bowl was one of the best game between both FSU and Albany State.. The SWAc need to play against more big name 1-aa teams such as Georgia Southern, Villanova, Montana, Furman, Wofford, Jacksonville State, and William Mary during the regular to get more natioanlly exspoure as confernece..
 
Sometimes people say stuff because it sounds good, but there really isn't much reality to it. For example.

I believe that it (the Playoffs) would raise the level of competion and overall program administration.

This is one that I hear a lot, but in reality all the years of the MEAC participating in the playoff, has it raised them to that higher of level than the SWAC. Hell no, the MEAC and the SWAC are about what and what in football. The playoffs ain't made them much better.
 
Lewis said:
Sometimes people say stuff because it sounds good, but there really isn't much reality to it. For example.



This is one that I hear a lot, but in reality all the years of the MEAC participating in the playoff, has it raised them to that higher of level than the SWAC. Hell no, the MEAC and the SWAC are about what and what in football. The playoffs ain't made them much better.

Lewis,

Please don't take this response offensively. I appreciate your comments and your point of view. I disagree however. You must be a socialist or communist. Competition is what leads to progress. It creates innovation. So to say what you did makes no sense in person who lives/operates in a capitalistic society. I think you missed my point. By participating in the playoffs it forces are administration to rethink if they want to be serious about football. Is that not want we all what. It forces them to change their system to compete at a higher level or they face losing over and over.

Your comment about the MEAC is compelling and an interesting example. I think we all believe FAMU was on the way. They had changed their system. Unfortunately all of their bases weren't covered and their system has crashed. The system has to be from top to bottom and be financially solvent and responsible.



KCPVPanther
 
I read in an early post that participating in the Div. I-AA playoffs would bring more exposure for our schools and football coaches. Well, I have a question, if this is so, why hasn?t it produce a noticeable change the perception of the SWAC/MEAC in other sports areas i.e. baseball, men basketball, women basketball, etc.

Every year in the NCAA Basketball Tourny the SWAC/MEAC sit on pins and needles waiting to see if they are going to participate in the dreaded "Play-In Game".

Before Sucks say anything, we know you had a good run in baseball a few time, so save it.:D
 
For me when a team wins the I-AA Nat'l Champ they can say they are the best team of 117 teams. When a team wins the BCNC they can say they are the best team out of maybe 50 (MEAC, SWAC, CIAA, SIAC and Ind.).

Also a I-AA Nat'l Champ involves team with a diverse institutional profile (racial, enrollment and $$$). The schools competing for the BCNC with a few exceptions have very similar profiles.

The schools in I-AA hail from diverse geographic regions. HBCUS are found in just two regions of the country.

The I-AA teams feature diverse playing styles. More and more HBCUs play very similar style of football.

When competing for the I-AA championship it truly feels like a "national" championship. HBCU ball feels like a subset of the national game. Albeit a very important and lucrative subset.

Besides, our brand of football currently sucks. At A&T we want to end the season feeling that we were the best team awarding 63 scholarships, not just the best black school that awards 63 scholarships. Eight conference games against HBCUs are plenty. Why not compete outside of that framework to see where you really stand. If that means I suffer from an inferiority complex, well so be it.
 
Say what you will, but at the end of the day if it was your family house hold, personal business, or as company project supervisor, your business decision would not be based on what emotional may feel good. But what is the best economic decision with all things considered.

The economics will dictate the ultimate decision on the direction of one's conference and/or institution.
 
Someone mention the absurd idea of moving the Turkey Day Classic and the Bayou Classic to earlier dates. Forgive me for asking, wouldn?t moving the TDC from Thanksgiving means that it would no longer be the Turkey Gay Classic. And, if I am not mistaken, isn?t the Turkey Day Classic the ?granddaddy? of all the Black Football Classics. Why Should Alabama State, Southern, and GSU move their traditions to accommodate the committee at the Div. I-AA officials in their quest to make money off our backs?
 
This is a very interesting topic, fellas. I've been working on a story about the SWAC not competing in the I-AA playoffs. I see there are a wide range of views on the topic.

Let me point out a few misconceptions. First, the SWAC title game is not a money producing game. For those of you who don't know, the SWAC doesn't cover the entire travel budgets for the teams. Last year, ASU, which is coming from Montgomery, cut deep into the money it made from the game to pay for going to the game.

Second, the playoffs are not as much of a drain on finances as some of you seem to think. It's true that very few teams who go one and out make any money. But they rarely lose a large amount, either. Also, moving into the second and third rounds starts the money ball rolling.

Third, it would provide exposure for the conference on a level that it only dreams about now. Someone mentioned the basketball and baseball playoffs as examples of playoff systems not helping expose SWAC/MEAC teams. Are you kidding me? I can tell you this: Among the majority of media outlets, only the teams from these two conferences that participate in these tournaments get recognition. Nobody knows a thing about the Prairie View or Alabama A&M basketball teams, but they know about Alabama State and they know about FAMU and they know about Southern's baseball team. And the reason they know is because these teams have gotten on the big stage and competed.

Fourth, you're overlooking one big plus in this -- scheduling. While FAMU or other MEAC schools might have lost money by participating in the playoffs, it would be interesting to know the amount of money they've made because their participation in the playoffs and the relationships they made there allowed them to schedule other playoff teams for regular season games. If your school participates, regardless of the outcome, relationships will be made with other top I-AA schools. And the next time there's a hole in the schedule, you're not filling it with Johnson C. Smith. Instead, it's Georgia Southern or some other I-AA powerhouse. And this is making a large assumption that the SWAC schools would never be a threat. That's where I have a problem here. Are you all really conceeding that SWAC teams couldn't compete in this tournament? I, for one, find it hard to believe that last year's Southern team or Grambling's 2001 team wouldn't make some noise in the playoffs. And the first time one of your teams slips through to the final rounds, well, you couldn't buy that kind of exposure.

Speaking of exposure, how about recruiting? You don't think recruiting picks up when you point out to a kid that your school went to the playoffs?

How about media coverage? You don't think media coverage increases for the conference with every SWAC team that goes to the playoffs?

How about coach recognition? You don't think that your coaches, some of which would coach circles around their white counterparts at larger schools, would benefit from this exposure?

How about player recognition? You don't think guys like Steve McNair, Darnell Kennedy, Bruce Eugene and Robert Kent could have drawn a little attention to themselves and the conference with a playoff appearance or two?

And it would take so little to get it done, too.

All that would really need to happen here is for the playoffs to start one week later and the Bayou Classic and the Turkey Day Classic remain as they are. That's not a big problem. In fact, on a couple of occasions, the playoffs have started a week later. I think the last time was in 2001.

The fact is, you've got a good product here, as indicated by the large attendance numbers. The problem is no one knows about it because they don't see it. The SWAC is in its own little box, with conference teams only playing each other and really not threatening anyone.

Take a step and see what happens. If it doesn't work after five or six years, go back to the way you're doing things now.
 
I guess they georgia southern and maine better than gramblign and southern huh??? Nell Carter send help please!!!!!! Exposure ???? You have got to be kiddign me right. 1AA Champimpyingship' atrtendance cannot even touch the swac in any way.Are 68k folks going to see gsu and montana st play anywhere. NO !!!!!!!!! I love the way folks try to make the 1aa playoffs seem as though it is some great thign for exposure. Let me know when th epimps get the money right then come calling with that the playoffs can provide exposure. oNE THING THAT IS CORRECT IS THAT OUR PRODUCT IS GREAT AND PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT TOO. These follks trip me out trying to make a turd look like a snickers bar when we all know it is a turd anyway. MEAC keep letting these folks play with your money. Y'ALL WILL LEARN .
 
STC_60 said:
I guess they georgia southern and maine better than gramblign and southern huh??? Nell Carter send help please!!!!!! Exposure ???? You have got to be kiddign me right. 1AA Champimpyingship' atrtendance cannot even touch the swac in any way.Are 68k folks going to see gsu and montana st play anywhere. NO !!!!!!!!! I love the way folks try to make the 1aa playoffs seem as though it is some great thign for exposure. Let me know when th epimps get the money right then come calling with that the playoffs can provide exposure. oNE THING THAT IS CORRECT IS THAT OUR PRODUCT IS GREAT AND PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT TOO. These follks trip me out trying to make a turd look like a snickers bar when we all know it is a turd anyway. MEAC keep letting these folks play with your money. Y'ALL WILL LEARN .
Do you always post when you are under the influence? :) The I-AA Playoffs are the highest NCAA football championship. All NCAA Championships are run the same way but you single out football. Are you saying the SWAC should opt out of the NCAA altogether?
 

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STC_60 said:
I guess they georgia southern and maine better than gramblign and southern huh??? Nell Carter send help please!!!!!! Exposure ???? You have got to be kiddign me right. 1AA Champimpyingship' atrtendance cannot even touch the swac in any way.Are 68k folks going to see gsu and montana st play anywhere. NO !!!!!!!!! I love the way folks try to make the 1aa playoffs seem as though it is some great thign for exposure. Let me know when th epimps get the money right then come calling with that the playoffs can provide exposure. oNE THING THAT IS CORRECT IS THAT OUR PRODUCT IS GREAT AND PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT TOO. These follks trip me out trying to make a turd look like a snickers bar when we all know it is a turd anyway. MEAC keep letting these folks play with your money. Y'ALL WILL LEARN .

STC,

I think you're missing the big picture here. When was the last time a SWAC school played a I-A powerhouse in front of 90,000 fans?
I'll give you a little while to answer, but I can tell you the last time Georgia Southern did. They played this small time school named Georgia a couple of months ago. That's an extra $500,000 in their pockets. I'd be willing to bet that it more than covers their playoff expenses for the next five years.
That's what I, and others, are talking about when we say that the playoffs provide exposure. It's not instantaneous exposure. It's something that's gained over a period of time.

And no one outside of those directly involved with the SWAC and its fans know anything about the conference. Sure, some people might be able to toss out the names of a few conference schools and others might even know that Steve McNair played at Alcorn. But the majority of people couldn't name six of the conference's 10 schools.

And that's a shame. It would seem to me, for all the grief this conference gets for all of its shortcomings, any chance at positive exposure would be jumped on.
 
Ralph said:
The I-AA Playoffs are the highest NCAA football championship. All NCAA Championships are run the same way but you single out football.

But they are not all financed the same.....
 
BlackCaesar2k5 said:
GRAMBLING STATE DID BEAT PORTLAND STATE BACK IN 2001... I MEANT TO SAY NORTHWEST LA.

Well that settles it then. The SWAC truly is superior.

The undisputed 12-1 BCF champs beat a 7-4, 4th-place in the Big Sky, non-playoff team by one point.

(Insert Mighty Dog-ish "refs cheat for the white boys" comment here.)
 
Fiyah said:
But they are not all financed the same.....


I believe they're more similar than you think.

Everybody is thinking of the BCS or NCAA basketball tourney and their multi-million dollar tv deals.

Other playoffs have no such thing.
 
What I did not like was when Washington was the commissioner, the conference decided to cut down the number of teams going to the post-season to one. We had a team going to the playoffs and another to the Heritage Bowl. That could be a selling point to recruits. Yet, for "money" reasons that I have not seen, they decided to cut the number of post-season teams to one. Now, without the Heritage Bowl, the SWAC's season ends with the championship game.

It should be repeated. A first round game in the 1-AA playoffs was televised over ESPN2. But that is not good enough for some.
 
TheReporter said:
And no one outside of those directly involved with the SWAC and its fans know anything about the conference. Sure, some people might be able to toss out the names of a few conference schools and others might even know that Steve McNair played at Alcorn. But the majority of people couldn't name six of the conference's 10 schools.

And that's a shame. It would seem to me, for all the grief this conference gets for all of its shortcomings, any chance at positive exposure would be jumped on.

You make some good points and I agree with some of them. I just don't see the exposure you mentioned helping the I-AA playoff teams. Most recruits I know want one thing... A chance in the NFL. <b> IMO, outside of a free education, giving a recruit a chance at the NFL is the most a football program can offer them. </b>

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/alumni-tracker

Using the above link, I just researched the past 5 I-AA Champions (Delaware, W Kentucky, Montana, Georgia Southern(2 years)). I found 14 players from these schools in the NFL.

On the other hand, I found 20 players on NFL teams from 3 of the better known SWAC schools (SU, GSU, JSU) and up and coming UAPB.

What is your take on how these schools can continually produce more NFL caliber athletes than schools who participate in the playoffs year after year?
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
I agree with a lot of what most have said. I would love the playoffs but not at the expense of the Bayou Classic or Turkey Day Classic. I want to participate in the playoffs but without the automatic bid I do not believe that the SWAC office will change their position. The SWAC has to get an at large bid in order to participate in the I-AA playoffs. The SWAC is one of the lowest rated conferences in I-AA, and even the top teams in the SWAC that almost go undefeated are not ranked high enough in the computer polls and indexs or whatever they want to call them to be choosen to participate in the playoffs. I do think the committee would select the SWAC Champion to participate but not every year, which is where I believe the problem starts at the SWAC office. We would have to change our long standing traditions which came before I-AA existed in order to participate in something where it is not a given we will even be allowed to join.

Brilliant! In addition to my opposition to changing the BC/TDC, I don't like the fact that the participating schools lose money. Why does the NCAA pimp the D1AA participants by getting bid fees and/or a gate guarantee? That's just unfair! Seed the teams and match them accordingly. The second round game site is determined by which team travelled in previous week...in event both team travelled, the higher seed gets home field. The gate receipts should be split between home team and visitors on some determined basis.

We also have the option of entering into an agreement with the MEAC to resume the Heritage Bowl. If the MEAC decided to commit their conference champion to a bowl game then that's cool. It would give GREAT exposure for both conferences and both schools. Play it immediately after the end of season!
 
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