Teacher assaulted by 3rd Grader

[Warndalyn]

Originally posted by JROCK
You are making excuses for parent that are not doing their job. That little young thug knew what the hell he was doing. His only problem is his arse have not been kicked enough. The child, his parents and you (guilty by association) should all be put in a gulitone from 7am to 7pm as the last part of punishment! See, some of you people need to get done medievel style to put your morals and priorities back in check,

Some folks just don't see things the way others see it...I've come to that conclusion.

Children MUST be disciplined and a lot of these kids today are just not getting it. Parents are NO longer doing their jobs at home...I don't place my child on a pedastal, rather I may place myself on one. I refuse to raise an unruly son...he will be punished and held accountable for any wrong he commits. Call it harsh..I call it tough love. That's what I received and I believe I turned out pretty damn good, if I must say so myself.

 

[Vinita]

Originally posted by jag4life
Adultery has nothing to do with raising kids to be good in school. Kids are not married.

My POINT is, people in glass houses should not throw ANY stones. It has nothing to do with adultery.

 

[jag4life]

Originally posted by Vinita
My POINT is, people in glass houses should not throw ANY stones. It has nothing to do with adultery.

So that eliminates everyone, right? Including the teachers.

 

[limefree]

That little boy indeed does need his azz kicked. The teacher could wait for the momma, it gets dark earlier now...

 

[mighty hornet]

so D-Town

If your son was to go to school and act up, does that mean that you're not a good parent, that you don't care about him, that you have failed as a parent?

 

[Vinita]

I can't say that the parents aren't involved, because they often are ...

Now, as far as the parenting issue goes, it is somewhat moot. I say that because I see:

1. Crazy kids whose parents don't give a damn.

2. Crazy kids whose parents are very involved, and try to be proactive, and are at their wits' end as to what to do with them.

3. Crazy kids whose parents come to the school, shame them silly, then the kids act JUST as ignant when the parents leave.

4. Good kids whose parents you never see.

5. Good kids whose parents THEY never see.

6. Good kids whose home life is so jacked up you think to yourself, "how the HELL are they even HERE, let alone doing WELL?"

So, you can't blame it all on the parenting. Some of our worst students have parents who e-mail, call, visit at least WEEKLY, trying to get their kids on the right track.

Also, you have to consider that, just like adults, students have "bad days." They haven't learned how to control their actions. They only know how to react. There could have been a ishtload of things that happened to that boy before this occurred, but he reacted to this "trigger incident" ... These are all factors that would be considered in this district when they dealt with this student.

I'd be willing to bet that this incident is an escalation. If one was able to look at his file, it would probably show a history of such incidents. I have never seen a kid be so physical towards an adult at school, who has not had prior physical confrontations with students. This will be taken into consideration as well.

Nevertheless, regardless of emotion, a 10 year old knows (whether he learned it at home or at school) that hitting an adult is WRONG. He violated SCHOOL POLICY, and his punishment at school must be based on POLICY, and not what anyone involved in the punishment aspect of this sad situation thinks.

 

[Vinita]

Originally posted by jag4life
So that eliminates everyone, right? Including the teachers.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this issue. My statement was made in sarcasm. If you can't take it as such, so be it.

 

[Da_Sperm]

Originally posted by SU's Finest '93
Some folks just don't see things the way others see it...I've come to that conclusion.

That may be my problem, I try to look at both sides. I went K thru 12 without even have Dention Hall one time, never was suspended, nothing on my school record, no criminal record. I try to raise my kids knowing right from wrong, the way I was raised. But if the do slip, give them a second chance and make the punishment fit the crime, it doesn't have to always be a death penalty or 10 years in prison.

Secondly, it you didn't notice but there are more black males in prison than any other gender/race in America. But there white males leads the nation in the number of arrest. So why is it that if more white males are arrested than black males, then how could there be more black males in prison? Reason is INJUSTICE!! Statistics show that a black male with a clean slate between the age of 15 to 25 are more likely to do time for their first mistake than their white counterparts. If we don't give our children a SECOND chance, why do we EXPECT the courts to. I said earlier that I never had detention, suspension, or a criminal record, but had I SLIPPED and got into some trouble, I would have more than likely done time for my first offense. But the same young white boy has a better chance of not doing time.

Give our kids a second chance, then MAYBE someone else will too.

 

[Warndalyn]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
so D-Town

If your son was to go to school and act up, does that mean that you're not a good parent, that you don't care about him, that you have failed as a parent?

Of course not, but when kids act out/up such as this, that's usually the case.

Hey, it's obvious you and I don't agree on this subject...no need to argue about it anymore. I've already stated my stance on it and it's NOT changing.

btw, my son will NOT go to school or anywhere else and hit an adult...believe it.

 

[jag4life]

Originally posted by Vinita
I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this issue. My statement was made in sarcasm. If you can't take it as such, so be it.

My bad...i thought we were having a serious discussion. I was not trying to catch feelings over this, and I apologize if I came across as such.

 

[Vinita]

Originally posted by jag4life
My bad...i thought we were having a serious discussion. I was not trying to catch feelings over this, and I apologize if I came across as such.

We are, but I'm a smartass. Thought ya knew!

'Tis all good!

 

[Da_Sperm]

Originally posted by SU's Finest '93

btw, my son will NOT go to school or anywhere else and hit an adult...believe it.

Question, I'm curious, what makes you so sure?

 

[Warndalyn]

Originally posted by Da_Sperm
That may be my problem, I try to look at both sides. I went K thru 12 without even have Dention Hall one time, never was suspended, nothing on my school record, no criminal record. I try to raise my kids knowing right from wrong, the way I was raised. But if the do slip, give them a second chance and make the punishment fit the crime, it doesn't have to always be a death penalty or 10 years in prison.

Secondly, it you didn't notice but there are more black males in prison than any other gender/race in America. But there white males leads the nation in the number of arrest. So why is it that if more white males are arrested than black males, then how could there be more black males in prison? Reason is INJUSTICE!! Statistics show that a black male with a clean slate between the age of 15 to 25 are more likely to do time for their first mistake than their white counterparts. If we don't give our children a SECOND chance, why do we EXPECT the courts to. I said earlier that I never had detention, suspension, or a criminal record, but had I SLIPPED and got into some trouble, I would have more than likely done time for my first offense. But the same young white boy has a better chance of not doing time.

Give our kids a second chance, then MAYBE someone else will too.

I totally agree with the black males in prison fact, that's the main reason why we as black mothers and fathers most definitely have to be harder on our BLACK MALE SONS than anything. Now, you're starting to see what I'm saying. There's a reason my mother was so hard on me, there's a reason I'm so hard on my son. People tell me all the time that I'm too harsh with him at times...it may be true, but as a parent I have that responsibility towards raising my son, alone. I don't want my child to be a statistic....see that lil' boy to which this thread was derived, he's on his way to being a statistic if his parent(s) don't get on their damn job, NOW!!!

We have a responsibility towards our kids, Sperm. I'm just saying parents are not like they used to be. We want to reward our kids too damn much. I don't go for that 3 strikes you're out mess....no-no, don't play that. Your ass is grass after #1....period.

 

[Warndalyn]

Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Question, I'm curious, what makes you so sure?

What makes you so sure he will...I didn't do it and the majority of kids don't...so, what's your point. Raise em right.

 

[Vinita]

Originally posted by SU's Finest '93
What makes you so sure he will...I didn't do it and the majority of kids don't...so, what's your point. Raise em right.

He ain't sure. :nod:

I think the point he is trying to make is, regardless of how you raise them, kids will still fugg up, ESPECIALLY if caught in the heat of the moment.

Take me, for example. Both my parents were educators; my dad was chairperson of the Business Department at UAPB. I was raised knowing right from wrong, and I knew if I fugged up ANYWHERE, the consequences at home would be swift, severe, and FINAL.

That didn't stop me for reducing an assistant principal to tears and getting suspended for five days when I was a junior in high school. I knew as soon as I started talking, my goose was COOKED, but I was so angry at her, that knowledge wasn't enough to shut my mouth.

So, my point is, regardless of how much fear you put in 'em, you can only hope and expect that they go out an govern themselves accordingly.

That still doesn't negate the fact that this kid laid hands on a teacher, and will most DEFINITELY face suspension at the very least.

 

[mighty hornet]

Re: I can't say that the parents aren't involved, because they often are ...

Originally posted by Vinita
]Now, as far as the parenting issue goes, it is somewhat moot. I say that because I see:

1. Crazy kids whose parents don't give a damn.

2. Crazy kids whose parents are very involved, and try to be proactive, and are at their wits' end as to what to do with them.

3. Crazy kids whose parents come to the school, shame them silly, then the kids act JUST as ignant when the parents leave.

4. Good kids whose parents you never see.

5. Good kids whose parents THEY never see.

6. Good kids whose home life is so jacked up you think to yourself, "how the HELL are they even HERE, let alone doing WELL?"

So, you can't blame it all on the parenting. Some of our worst students have parents who e-mail, call, visit at least WEEKLY, trying to get their kids on the right track.

Also, you have to consider that, just like adults, students have "bad days." They haven't learned how to control their actions. They only know how to react. There could have been a ishtload of things that happened to that boy before this occurred, but he reacted to this "trigger incident" ... These are all factors that would be considered in this district when they dealt with this student.

Good post Nita!!!!

We don't really know anything about this 10 year old's home life and what kind of parent(s) he has.

 

[JSU*Toi]

Originally posted by Vinita
FASHO!!

In Texas, we can't hit back, but we can shove them away (this is seen as self defense, as opposed to hitting back, which is considered retaliation) ... my kids already know that if they lay a hand on me, I'm going to do my damndest to shove their asses clear into the next classroom ... THROUGH THE WALL ...

I am sorry but that was funny as hell:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

[BluPearl98]

Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Suing a parent over a kid throwing a temper? A third grader? Man come on. Let the school punish him and let the parent punish him but don't go as far as expelling the kid. What if it were your kid? Wouldn't you want the opportunity to punish him before he gets expelled?

I'm willing to bet this is not this child first incident. And if it is, there will be many to follow. I don't know what this parish offers for children with extreme behavioral problems, but if there is no Alternative School of some sort.. expell his arse!



*man that would have never gone down in Concordia Parish when I was there*

 

[kellis]

Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Believe me, I'm not wishing that on no one. But I'm sure that is what plenty of the mothers of these teenagers THOUGHT when they found out their lil 15 yr old daughter is 4 months pregnant. I'm sure that is what some parents thought when they found out 16 yr old Jr has been on drugs since age 13. I'm sure that is what some parent thought when Bobby commited suicide for some reason. Its all because the "I know my kid" attitude.

Sperm that comes from a lack of parental guidance. Parents need to spend more time AT hown with their children instead of spending half of the night at work.

 

[MsJag4Jag]

Originally posted by jag4life
And send him where? Are there alternative schools for 3rd graders?

Beat his arse at the next school function....with a switch....the way ol' folks used to do....

 

[EB]

I did not think about the kid being in the third grade at 10 until DT, err, SU's finest, mentioned it.

I am the biggest believer in second chances-especially for kids. I have seen the benefits of it. But I am the biggest believer in teaching kids a lesson. The kid needs to be taught a lesson now.

 

[Ntelekt]

From reading some of these comments, you would SWEAR that there were no bad/misguided individuals OUR AGE in the world simply due to the "way we were raised". :lol: :smh:


The way "we" feel about kids today is the same way the older generation felt about "us"...just know that.


Interesting debate, though...carry on.

 

[Fortitude]

Originally posted by Ntelekt
From reading some of these comments, you would SWEAR that there were no bad/misguided individuals OUR AGE in the world simply due to the "way we were raised". :lol: :smh:

I'm sure there were some "bad/misguided individuals" back in the 70's & 80's. I think the difference is the mindset about discipline. Even if your parents allowed you to get away w/doing wrong there was SOMEONE, be it principal, grandma, grandpa, uncle, aunt, cousin, friend of the family, who would would straighten you out. The would make sure you learned that there are consequences for action. They may talk to you, mentor you, whip you, put you in the boys & girls club. They wouldn't just look over at you and say, "He's just a baby....leave him alone." Maybe he doesn't need to be expelled but, going home for 3 days doesn't, in my mind teach him that what he did was wrong & the severity of his actions. One day he may run up & try that mess on the wrong person & end up 6ft. under. And of course, if such unfortunate accident did occur, his parents would say that he didn't derserve what he got & it wasn't his fault.

Bad behavior left uncorrected leads to more bad behavior.

 

[Blacknbengal]

Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Being that I pay a hell of a lot of money in school taxes, if the district kicked my kid out of school and didn't have an alternative school to put him in (I'm sure there are not many 3rd grade alternative schools), then they would have to pay for my kid to go to school.

There's always home schooling. LOL. You people sure stretch some things, but it's good to read each one of your ideals and thoughts on certain situations.

 

[Ntelekt]

Originally posted by Fortitude
I'm sure there were some "bad/misguided individuals" back in the 70's & 80's. I think the difference is the mindset about discipline. Even if your parents allowed you to get away w/doing wrong there was SOMEONE, be it principal, grandma, grandpa, uncle, aunt, cousin, friend of the family, who would would straighten you out. The would make sure you learned that there are consequences for action. They may talk to you, mentor you, whip you, put you in the boys & girls club. They wouldn't just look over at you and say, "He's just a baby....leave him alone." Maybe he doesn't need to be expelled but, going home for 3 days doesn't, in my mind teach him that what he did was wrong & the severity of his actions. One day he may run up & try that mess on the wrong person & end up 6ft. under. And of course, if such unfortunate accident did occur, his parents would say that he didn't derserve what he got & it wasn't his fault.

Bad behavior left uncorrected leads to more bad behavior.

Believe me, I understand that perfectly...

...but the point I'm getting at is that regardless of the amounts of discipline, love, nurturing and guidance that parents give their children...there is STILL that possibility that they may go "bad".


That lil bastid needs to be punished...


...but kicking him out of school is NOT an answer that will even begin or come close to aleviating the problem, that's all.