The Founder
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If not murder at least charge him with manslaughter....SOMETHING!!! This is so sickening.
17 year old Trayvon Martin murdered by "Neighborhood Watch Captain"
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Tpop33
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Ok lets recap for your sake OK!!!
I basically said it is pointless for you to mention the Castle Doctrine, because Trayvon Martin was not on Zimmerman's property, had not left Zimmerman's property, or done anything that would have done any harm to Zimmerman; this dude followed Trayvon and then killed him. So even if you bring in the Castle Doctrine Trayvon Martin is still an innocent that lost his life for nothing, he was not doing anything illegal, that is my point, if Trayvon Martin had been doing something illegal then I can see where the CD plays a role. And even though you say Zimmerman would have been arrested, I disagree, I think the JPD would still be stonewalling the same way those cops are doing in FL.
One other thing the CD is modified per state and based on that states hand gun laws, for example: in the state of Alabama, if you have a pistol in your vehicle without a pistol permit, you are in violation of a law and thus the Castle Doctrine would not help you, but if you are legally carrying a pistol then like Mississippi you are covered. Also the italicized section is the same in Alabama, something that's different is once your life or those under your protection ceases to be in danger and you kill someone, you will be charged with murder. So good I know my states' law, and it's good you know yours.
jstate83
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In other words You just want to argue.
let me recap it for you.
He screaming SELF-DEFENSE because of FLORIDAS Castle Doctrine/Self defense law. I SAID HE WOULD BE IN JAIL FOR MURDER IF HE WAS IN MISSISSIPPI........NO IF'S, ANDS, OR BUTS EVEN WITH THE CASTLE DOCTRINE . For some insane reason, YOU can't COMPREHEND that.
Again................You locked in on my comment and for some reason, you want to argue a point I didn't even remotely make. I never said the kid was anywhere near that guys property. Don't know why I'm bothering to type this because you will over look this explainition also.
Don't even know why it had to be explained.
Lawd........:smh:
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jstate83
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And before you type more words I never said, comments I never made, or imply shat I never implied, here is my 1st comment on the subject again. STARE at it and use comprehension skills to understand what is being said and why.
Not once did I say that kid was on his property but because this idiot saw a black male in a hoodie, the first thing that came to mind was crimminal and he went to confront HIM..........THE KID.
And last.
JPD ARRESTED a store owner at the corner of Bailey and Watkins Drive last year for chasing a crook with a knife out the store and then shooting him. Please don't tell me what I know about my city. I don't deal in what if's when I KNOW what they do here.
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JR
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I have to disagree with you on that. That mofo would be locked up in Jackson. It would be for his own safety. LOL.
Tpop33
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You know what, you're the ignorant arse (n e g r o) who mentioned the Castle Doctrine, and then posted the Mississippi law, after my comment. If you really wanted to have a civilized discussion you could have replied with a little more intelligence and discretion but since you didn't; I replied further, because you took it upon yourself ASSuming and insulting that someone could not comprehend your post. And screw your city, you need to know your state law. I never said you didn't know anything about your city, hell I dont care what city you live in. You're in Mississippi that says enough..... Oh and my last comment about disagreeing with you was more about the police and not what you or do not know, but hey guess you couldn't comprehend that....
buckwheat
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Damn, can we squash this???? :lol: Both of you have proven your point. I'm hearing now from the emergency dispatch that the dispatch person told the guy to wait for the police to arrive.
chocalate_topaz
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they did and that bytch made SOB got out of his car anyway. He WANTED to kill this black child...he'll see how it is really soon...bet that.
southsuburbs
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I posted waaaaaayyy above (before they started going back/forth :lol
where the police chief said the dispatch just advises people what to do...but it's not law. So by Zimmerman disobeying the suggested advice of the dispatcher to sit still doesn't mean he broke any laws.However...as the Martin's attorney stated, if Zimmerman made statements on the 911 call like "Black youth wearing hoodie", or something that points out race but that the boy wasn't really doing anything...then that will help.
Zimmerman needs to be in jail!
buckwheat
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Hopefully that will force the police to arrest him. This quy was intent on confronting this young man.
buckwheat
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I posted waaaaaayyy above (before they started going back/forth :lol
However...as the Martin's attorney stated, if Zimmerman made statements on the 911 call like "Black youth wearing hoodie", or something that points out race but that the boy wasn't really doing anything...then that will help.
Zimmerman needs to be in jail!
I understand but he could have just let the kid walk until the police got there and this kid could possibly still be alive.
southsuburbs
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Oh I agree. There was no need for him to do anything...especially since the police was on the way.
southsuburbs
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Letter from George Zimmerman's father.
He asks that the media respect their privacy. None of this would have happened if his son had respected Trayvon!!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ing-zimmerman-letter-20120315,0,1716605.story
“The tragic events of February 26 are very sad for all concerned. The Martin family, our family, and the entire community have been forever changed.
The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting are false and extremely misleading. Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.
George is a Spanish speaking minority with many black family members and friends. He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever. One black neighbor recently interviewed said she knew everything in the media was untrue and that she would trust George with her life. Another black neighbor said that George was the only one, black or white, who came and welcomed her to the community, offering any assistance he could provide. Recently, I met two black children George invited to a social event. I asked where they met George. They responded that he was their mentor. They said George visited them routinely, took them places, helped them, and taught them things and that they really loved George. The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth.
The events of February 26 reported in the media are also totally inaccurate. Out of respect for the on-going investigation, I will not discuss specifics. However, the media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. :retard: When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.
Our entire family is deeply sorry for the loss of Trayvon. We pray for the Martin family daily. We also pray that the community will grieve together and not be divided by more unwarranted hate.
The Zimmerman family will have no further contact with the media prior to the resolution of the investigation. It would be greatly appreciated if the media would respect our privacy.”
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Did he write this letter before the 911 tapes were released b/c it's clear his son followed Trayvon while in his car and on foot!! :smh:
He asks that the media respect their privacy. None of this would have happened if his son had respected Trayvon!!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ing-zimmerman-letter-20120315,0,1716605.story
“The tragic events of February 26 are very sad for all concerned. The Martin family, our family, and the entire community have been forever changed.
The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting are false and extremely misleading. Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.
George is a Spanish speaking minority with many black family members and friends. He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever. One black neighbor recently interviewed said she knew everything in the media was untrue and that she would trust George with her life. Another black neighbor said that George was the only one, black or white, who came and welcomed her to the community, offering any assistance he could provide. Recently, I met two black children George invited to a social event. I asked where they met George. They responded that he was their mentor. They said George visited them routinely, took them places, helped them, and taught them things and that they really loved George. The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth.
The events of February 26 reported in the media are also totally inaccurate. Out of respect for the on-going investigation, I will not discuss specifics. However, the media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. :retard: When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.
Our entire family is deeply sorry for the loss of Trayvon. We pray for the Martin family daily. We also pray that the community will grieve together and not be divided by more unwarranted hate.
The Zimmerman family will have no further contact with the media prior to the resolution of the investigation. It would be greatly appreciated if the media would respect our privacy.”
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Did he write this letter before the 911 tapes were released b/c it's clear his son followed Trayvon while in his car and on foot!! :smh:
southsuburbs
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So apparently the police are using the "Stand your Ground" law in Florida as Zimmerman's defense/out.
To me, the law stopped applying to Zimmerman when he got out of the car to follow/pursue Trayvon on foot. At that point...the law applied to Trayvon b/c he was the one in danger. :smh:
This shyt is crazy that he still has not been charged.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/new...g/2012/03/trayvon_martin_death_shows_the.html
Here's what outsiders might fail to realize: In Florida, the shooter only has to say these magic words to basically get a Get Out of Jail Free card: "I feared for my life...I felt I was in imminent danger, so I shot in self-defense."
This is what the Florida Legislature has wrought with the so-called Stand Your Ground Law, enacted last decade.
The law allows gun owners to shoot (and kill) in self-defense if they feel threatened. Before Stand Your Ground, gun owners had to retreat in such situations, unless they were in their homes. There was a high legal threshold to cross before shots could be fired justifiably on streets, sidewalks or in other public settings.
But now, practically any time a gun owner gets into a fight and something tragic happens, Stand Your Ground becomes the standard defense.
The law has made things complicated for prosecutors, who can't easily bring charges, and juries, who can't easily convict shooters when charges are filed, even under circumstances that might seem unjustified or outrageous.
The law basically allows trigger-happy people to overreact with impunity, an unsettling prospect for those of us who don't carry weapons. It's something that Stand Your Ground critics, including many law enforcement agencies, said at the time the bill sailed through the Legislature. The bill had the strong backing of the National Rifle Association.
To me, the law stopped applying to Zimmerman when he got out of the car to follow/pursue Trayvon on foot. At that point...the law applied to Trayvon b/c he was the one in danger. :smh:
This shyt is crazy that he still has not been charged.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/new...g/2012/03/trayvon_martin_death_shows_the.html
Here's what outsiders might fail to realize: In Florida, the shooter only has to say these magic words to basically get a Get Out of Jail Free card: "I feared for my life...I felt I was in imminent danger, so I shot in self-defense."
This is what the Florida Legislature has wrought with the so-called Stand Your Ground Law, enacted last decade.
The law allows gun owners to shoot (and kill) in self-defense if they feel threatened. Before Stand Your Ground, gun owners had to retreat in such situations, unless they were in their homes. There was a high legal threshold to cross before shots could be fired justifiably on streets, sidewalks or in other public settings.
But now, practically any time a gun owner gets into a fight and something tragic happens, Stand Your Ground becomes the standard defense.
The law has made things complicated for prosecutors, who can't easily bring charges, and juries, who can't easily convict shooters when charges are filed, even under circumstances that might seem unjustified or outrageous.
The law basically allows trigger-happy people to overreact with impunity, an unsettling prospect for those of us who don't carry weapons. It's something that Stand Your Ground critics, including many law enforcement agencies, said at the time the bill sailed through the Legislature. The bill had the strong backing of the National Rifle Association.
jstate83
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I knew if I kept going, the byotch would come right out of you.
You quoted me ho.......... Remember that little puzzy byotch. I never wanted to post to your azz in the first place clown so take it upon your damm self to move your azz on down the road with this shat.
I hate a punk byotch that wanna throw temper tantrums over shat they start because they too damm dumb to understand what COMPREHENSION means before they start posting to people. :smh: and :lol: at this ignorant ankle grabber.
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jstate83
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Man......... This byotch come in every once and a while and do this same shat. Seems like everytime he come on this board, he bleeding between the legs. :smh:
southsuburbs
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For the life of me...:smh:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html?ref=mostpopular
Austin was standing less than 20 yards away from Martin when he was shot on the night of February 26. He didn't see much that night, but says he can't shake the screams for help that he heard or the thunderclap of gunfire that nearly shook him from his shoes.
The screams rattle around in his daydreams, so loud at night that sleep hasn't come easily. And he can't stop asking himself a thousand what-ifs: What if he could have stopped it? What if he had looked "suspicious" that night, and not Martin?
Austin's mother, Sheryl Brown, said that the trauma from the night has not been limited to what her son witnessed. It also includes the way she says that the police and some media have twisted his account of the night to fit a self-defense theory, to say that a 13-year-old witness has claimed Zimmerman, and not Martin, was screaming for help. Both Austin and his mother are adamant that the teen could not see who was screaming, but they believe now that it was Martin.
Brown said in hindsight she feels the police investigator on the case attempted to lead her son to provide information that he didn't have. The investigator, she said, would nod yes when asking if it was the man in the T-shirt, who turned out to be Zimmerman, and not the one in the hooded sweatshirt, Martin, who was screaming out for help. And while the police have said that they don't have any evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims of self-defense, the investigators had a different story when they visited her family about a week after the shooting, Brown said.
"That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense," Brown said, recalling the day the police came to interview Austin. "Several times he said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people.' He looked at me and said, 'You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"
She continued: "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that. I don't know if that was to make me less uncomfortable or to make us feel that he was on our side."
In recent days, other witnesses have come forward to say that the police attempted to twist their testimony to support Zimmerman's claims of self-defense or ignored them entirely, including two witnesses who joined the Martin family during a press conference on Friday.
A police spokesman could not be reached immediately for comment. The Sanford Police have said in the past that there is little evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims. But the department has also publicly stated that some witnesses have since contradicted their initial statements to police, which supported the self-defense theory.
Last night the Sanford Police, pushed by city officials, released 911 recordings made the night of the shooting. And Martin's lawyers say that all the evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims can be heard on the tape. In the background one can hear what seem to be screams or pleas for help. Then a gunshot and silence. Neighbors can be heard sobbing, telling the dispatcher what they heard or saw: mostly the screams, the cries for help and the gunshot that ended it all.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html?ref=mostpopular
Austin was standing less than 20 yards away from Martin when he was shot on the night of February 26. He didn't see much that night, but says he can't shake the screams for help that he heard or the thunderclap of gunfire that nearly shook him from his shoes.
The screams rattle around in his daydreams, so loud at night that sleep hasn't come easily. And he can't stop asking himself a thousand what-ifs: What if he could have stopped it? What if he had looked "suspicious" that night, and not Martin?
Austin's mother, Sheryl Brown, said that the trauma from the night has not been limited to what her son witnessed. It also includes the way she says that the police and some media have twisted his account of the night to fit a self-defense theory, to say that a 13-year-old witness has claimed Zimmerman, and not Martin, was screaming for help. Both Austin and his mother are adamant that the teen could not see who was screaming, but they believe now that it was Martin.
Brown said in hindsight she feels the police investigator on the case attempted to lead her son to provide information that he didn't have. The investigator, she said, would nod yes when asking if it was the man in the T-shirt, who turned out to be Zimmerman, and not the one in the hooded sweatshirt, Martin, who was screaming out for help. And while the police have said that they don't have any evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims of self-defense, the investigators had a different story when they visited her family about a week after the shooting, Brown said.
"That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense," Brown said, recalling the day the police came to interview Austin. "Several times he said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people.' He looked at me and said, 'You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"
She continued: "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that. I don't know if that was to make me less uncomfortable or to make us feel that he was on our side."
In recent days, other witnesses have come forward to say that the police attempted to twist their testimony to support Zimmerman's claims of self-defense or ignored them entirely, including two witnesses who joined the Martin family during a press conference on Friday.
A police spokesman could not be reached immediately for comment. The Sanford Police have said in the past that there is little evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims. But the department has also publicly stated that some witnesses have since contradicted their initial statements to police, which supported the self-defense theory.
Last night the Sanford Police, pushed by city officials, released 911 recordings made the night of the shooting. And Martin's lawyers say that all the evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims can be heard on the tape. In the background one can hear what seem to be screams or pleas for help. Then a gunshot and silence. Neighbors can be heard sobbing, telling the dispatcher what they heard or saw: mostly the screams, the cries for help and the gunshot that ended it all.
jstate83
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Those 911 tapes that have come out have shown this guy needed to be arrested for murder that night. The FBI need to take this over ASAP because the police down there have shown their true color by letting this clown go.
If I'm walking to my house and some mofo is following me, I'm thinking someone is about to rob or jack me. They said this fool has at least 50 bogus calls to 911.
jstate83
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To him it's just another dead n*i*g*g*e*r.
This is the exact reason the FBI should come in like gangbusters to take this case over.
Tpop33
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I do what??? Are you really that ingnorant?? I asked a plain and simple question, youre the fool who took it to a whole new level. buckwheat asked that we squash it, and that we both made our points, I left it alone and never tired to defend myself or slight you in the process, but apparently you felt the need to say more. If Im bleeding between the legs; then you bleeding out the A$$, cause you complaining and screaming like you got screwed in it again!!!!
Also You got me confused with someone else Im on this board daily and post at least every other day not once in a while, get your facts straight again; cause you really got the wrong one. Keep trying me!!!
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