Where should the SWAC Championship football be played?


Where should the SWAC Championship

  • Atlanta - Georgia Dome

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Birmingham - Legion Field

    Votes: 21 26.9%

  • Houston - Reliant Stadium

    Votes: 29 37.2%

  • New Orleans - Superdome

    Votes: 22 28.2%
  • Total voters
    78
Originally posted by EB
As I remember, there were similar attendance numbers for the now defunct Heritage Bowl. My memory may not be exact. Nevertheless, I am cosigning what Robber is saying.



This is a good question. I asked a similar one before the first SCG. Remember in 1-A a conference needs 12-teams for a conference championship game. Note that the ACC could not get one with 11-teams.
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I don't see what's so great about this question, maybe someone can clarify it to me. What I do know is we play the SCG in hopes of more revenue and whether we play a nine game schedule or a 3 game schedule has nothing to do with it.

Secondly as for the ACC you said it all there, they're a D-1A school and it has nothing to do with us.
 
If attendance is the criteria - check out the attendance at the Division 1AA playoffs.

Wofford at Delaware
Attendance: 14,351


Colgate at Fla Atlantic
Attendance: 12857

The SWAC and Ivy leagues choose not to participate in the playoffs.
 



Not in Birmingham!

Let's face it, Southern's fan base is larger and travels more. Whenever Southern is in the game, the attendance will be up. Same is true for Jackson State...their fans follow them too. There was 31K there in that atrocious weather because SU fans are die-hards.

BTW, I disagree that if the game is played at the Superdome that Southern fans will not go and that it will take away from the Bayou Classic. The Bayou Classic will always have great attendance ALWAYS and whenever, wherever Southern is playing, especially in the Championship game, WE WILL BE THERE. If the game is in Houston, well, you all know Houston is HOME to us! :D


Having said ALL that...the weather sucked and it took away from any sort of game-day atmosphere! We need to play indoors. And this is from a person who was there!
 
Re: Not in Birmingham!

Originally posted by Seeing Spots
Let's face it, Southern's fan base is larger and travels more. Whenever Southern is in the game, the attendance will be up. Same is true for Jackson State...their fans follow them too. There was 31K there in that atrocious weather because SU fans are die-hards.

BTW, I disagree that if the game is played at the Superdome that Southern fans will not go and that it will take away from the Bayou Classic. The Bayou Classic will always have great attendance ALWAYS and whenever, wherever Southern is playing, especially in the Championship game, WE WILL BE THERE. If the game is in Houston, well, you all know Houston is HOME to us! :D


Having said ALL that...the weather sucked and it took away from any sort of game-day atmosphere! We need to play indoors. And this is from a person who was there!
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My freezing ass seconds this paragraph!!!! B-Ham sucked yesterday and this is coming from a huge SU football fan with my team WINNING the game. As soon as the game was over, my family and I sped back to toasty Baton Rouge.

And another thing .... I understand the idea that B-Ham is footing the bill for the SCG ... cool, but remember the old adage (You get what you pay for). That place was dead and I got to the stadium at about 6:00 AM .... only SU fans were there in mass (even though there were some Hornet fans there) and it was a dreary feeling the whole damn day.

If we really tried to copy the SEC model, copy all of it. The games meaning during the season, the fanfare surrounding the SEC title game, and the actual game itself. I mean, we had a banquet the night before or something .... a concert. Nothing to bring a child to, who is the group the SWAC should be trying to entice! Or at least, have something for both groups. That's the advantage of a New Orleans or Houston or even a Mobile, if they just had to keep it in Alabama.
 
I never advocated on site over the next. My position is regarding the money. Southern and Grambling has foregone any chance of playing in the playoffs. Why??? Not because they like playing in New Orleans. They making a crapload of money, so it's in their best interests to play that game when they do. That's why they are doing it. If they weren't making so much money, they wouldn't be so staunch about moving that game. The SCG is simply not getting enough money from sponsors and the gate to justify keep playing the game. I'd love to see how much money we are getting. Rudy used to say that we didn't make money. Now, if we aren't making money or are making very little money, what's the point???

Like I've already said, the SEC and Big 12 play that game for the millions of dollars generated from the game. That's why they are willing to risk individual member school chance to play in the BCS title game. To me this is much bigger than B'ham vs. N.O. vs. H-town.
 
Re: Re: Not in Birmingham!

Originally posted by SU Jag 79

And another thing .... I understand the idea that B-Ham is footing the bill for the SCG ... cool, but remember the old adage (You get what you pay for).
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My sentiments exactly. It's no coincidence that no major Bowl game wants to come to Birmingham.

I say pay the money and let's see if we can attract 50K to this game. Houston offered Reliant Stadium to the Bayou Classic for 35K. This is the equilavance of 2K seats... The SWAC can surely afford this!!!
 
Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker)
Robber,

Are you aware they had 16 (not including radio sponsorship) sponsors for the SWAC Championship Game & Events?
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Yes, I am. But I'm guessing it don't amount to a whole lotta money. 16 people giving peanuts leaves you with a bag full of peanuts.

I want to see the numbers myself. If you know, please let us know how much money we get from all those sponsors.
 
I still think it was a good question. A 10-team league plays nine conference games, and the conference has a championship game.

I asked about the 1-A reference because the NCAA is adamant about having a championship game with 12-team league. Oh well, I will go to the NCAA page and ask.

Robber, you had better stop it. You are making too much sense with your posts. Yes, I want to see the money too.
 
EB - "I still think it was a good question. A 10-team league plays nine conference games, and the conference has a championship game." === Not true
 
Originally posted by bluedog
First of all you got that so far wrong until it's not even funny, nothing and I repeat nothing that we can do in the SWAC will ever compete against the BC.

Now what you don't seem to understand is that is the mission (hopefully) to make the attendance as large as the BC, if not than what's the point of playing it, we could just go back to the old format.
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Naaa podnuh, you got it wrong.....

The point I was making was saying that playing the SCG in New Orleans would compete with the Bayou. Let's assume that this year's SCG was in New Orleans. And Southern just beat Grambling in the Bayou. You're gunna tell me that the SU fans are gunna come back to New Orleans two weeks later and pay the same high-arse hotel rates, same high-arse parking, and attend another game at the Superdome...... There's not enough money to satisfy everybody. Either the SCG would suffer or the Bayou could (possibly). My point was, leave New Orleans out of consideration. The Bayou Classic is the dominant SWAC event in New Orleans, followed by the SU/JSU game (a distant second). There's no need in having a third event in that city...... That was the ONLY point I was trying to make..... I wouldn't want to see the SCG try to compete with the Bayou. 'Cause we all know the SCG would suffer, becuase the Bayou is way more established.

That's why I said New Orleans wouldn't be a good choice.......

Reading is so fundamental :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Taylor-Made'90
Naaa podnuh, you got it wrong.....

The point I was making was saying that playing the SCG in New Orleans would compete with the Bayou. Let's assume that this year's SCG was in New Orleans. And Southern just beat Grambling in the Bayou. You're gunna tell me that the SU fans are gunna come back to New Orleans two weeks later and pay the same high-arse hotel rates, same high-arse parking, and attend another game at the Superdome
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Where did I say anything about staying in hotels? My reference is to the number of fans more that would attend the game. SU fans for the most part don't have to stay in hotels, again this isn't the BC so the number of people coming to watch as well as the demographics form where they come are different

Nobody stays in a hotel when we play you guys but the numbers stay at 40,000 plus, the BC is the BC and everything else is just that, to even think that it would effect the BC amount to dreaming at best.




I really don't see your need to be a smart @ss because your right Reading is so fundamental but comprehending is golden.
 
If the SCG is going to succeed, it has to be played in a city that has grass roots support for our conference and an attraction that has an an appeal to a non-swac audience to fill 75% of the stadium consistantly. Thats why the BC is so successful. If you had alumni that wanted to invite some friends to the SCG, which would be more appealing, New Orleans or Birmingham. Shoot, if they did it right, the BC could be billed as the Game before the GAME, The REAL National Black College Football Championship, The SWAC Championship Football Game! And if the MEAC don't like it, tough. We tried to work with them in Atlanta, but they did not want to participate.
 



Originally posted by Tigerpride
The same can be said for Bham, but it is on the list.
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Bruh the conversation is about alternative places to play the game other than Bham or any place that doesn't have a dome.

Gesh!:rolleyes: try to follow the whole thread...C'mon bruh stick wit me on this.
 
Well I think that if you gonna consider keeping it in a stadium that is not enclosed, the discussion should not be closed to other unenclosed stadiums.
 
Originally posted by ASU
Is there really a need for a SWAC Championship football game? Southern won the crown when they defeated Grambling in the Bayou Classic.
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Cosign!!

Whoever has the best record should wear the crown.
 
Robber,

Yes, I am. But I'm guessing it don't amount to a whole lotta money. 16 people giving peanuts leaves you with a bag full of peanuts.

I want to see the numbers myself. If you know, please let us know how much money we get from all those sponsors.
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I am not directly aware of the official sponsorship dollar amount. I would agree that they are not anywhere near the SEC, Big XII, soon to be ACC (12) Championship SPonsorship dollars.

But, I would suggest to you that they are similar to the same sponsorship dollars amount that have aloud the Circle City Classic, Southern Heritage Classic, Atlanta Classic, Florida Classic, State Fair Classic, & Bayou Classic to have a great deal of success of revenue dollars, as well as the ability to provide larger payout to our participating HBCU over the last five years. I think it is something to consider.


Title Sponsorship = $100,000
Presenting Sponsorships = $75,000 (usually granted up to 5)
Luncheon Sponsorship = $50,000
Battle of the Bands (Drum-Line) Sponsorship = $
Step-Show/Concert Sponsorship = $
Gallia Sponsorship = $


While again I do not think it is just an overwhelming financial gain for the conference. In my opinion, based on the information I have received I think the game is beneficial and success and continues to grow and move in a successful direction. Again like most business plan, proposal, or ventures often times their is a great deal from for growth and improvement. It was mention that this was the largest financial sponsorship gain up to this point.

Personally from viewing and partaking in the last 5 SWAC Championship Games. I have scene this improvement first hand. I will agree that there is room for further improvement and I have offered my personal business experience in savvy to provide those suggestions and because they are business alternatives, I rather not share them on the board. But, it is easy to imagine (see) that several of them have been mentioned on this board.

One thing, I will pass on is the fact that I think our administrators or so busy that they rarely have the opportunity to view what is going on the totally HBCU and NCAA landscape in general. I think this is also something that happens on this board often times and people have make suggestion. But fail to regonize the total HBCU and/or NCAA landscape on how that suggestion would and could affect the conference because of those outside scenarios.
 
How about Shreveport

What about Independence Stadium in Shreveport, LA? It's right off of I-20. You have 2 schools in LA. It's only a 5 hour drive from TSU/PV. It's really not that far from Jackson and it'll be a nice road trip for the Bamas. Plus you can gamble to your heart's content. They've renovated the stadium. There are plenty of hotels. Just a thought.
 
Originally posted by Taylor-Made'90
You're gunna tell me that the SU fans are gunna come back to New Orleans two weeks later and pay the same high-arse hotel rates, same high-arse parking, and attend another game at the Superdome......
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Yes, I'm gonna tell you that SU fans will go back to NOLA 2 weeks later for the SCG. All of us do not spend the weekend at the Bayou Classic. Most of us that travel to all of the games, drive down, attend the game and drive back the 70 miles to Baton Rouge. Some of my friends stayed in NOLA for the Bayou Classic and were in Birmingham for the game. If the SCG was moved to NOLA, SU fans would be there in large numbers. The Jagfans who live outside of the immediate NOLA and Baton Rouge area would come back and spend the money again, just like they did in Birmingham.

Most Jagfans who spend the weekend in NOLA do it because they consider it a vacation and they budget for that. It is a reunion for a lot of families, classmates, frats/sororities. Like I said a whole lot of us only drive down for the game and we are back in Baton Rouge to see the Classic highlights on the news!!!

Nasty Nupe: Shreveport's stadium is nice, but you know it gets cold as hell up there in December too. It is on the same line as Birmingham and it has been cold up there already. Remember the Independence Bowl game when it snowed about 2-3 years ago?

Anyway, we want to go to a DOME to play the game!!!
 
Also, keep in mind that hotel prices at Bayou Classic are not the norm in N.O. Prices are much lower when no special event is going on.

My hotel prices for the SU/JSU game were a lot cheaper than BC rates and comparable to any city.
 
Houston eyes game (The 2003 Jeep SWAC Championship Football Game)

Houston eyes game
The Birmingham News
Sunday, December 14, 2003

All five SWAC Championship Games have been played at Legion Field. But the league?s future may lead the title game somewhere other than the aging Graymount Avenue relic.

Consider that the city of Houston, with a big push from the NFL?s Texans, is trying to woo the SWAC Championship Game to spanking-new Reliant Stadium.

That would mean a climate-controlled, 72-degree venue available regardless of the weather outside. And don?t forget the luster of NFL involvement.

But SWAC Commissioner Robert Vowels said Saturday that it would be hard to bid Birmingham goodbye.

?Houston?s made a very good pitch,? Vowels said. ?But we are committed to Birmingham because the city of Birmingham has given us office space, (and the use of) Legion Field and Fair Park Arena. We are very happy with out relationship.?

Saturday?s fifth SWAC Championship Game drew an announced crowd of 31,617 on a cold and wet day.

Mother Nature may not adversely impact future SWAC title games, however. Vowels and SWAC presidents listened to a glimpse into the city?s facility future given by members of the Birmingham-Jefferson Convention Complex board Thursday. Vowels and the presidents came away convinced that a domed stadium is coming soon.

Yes, Vowels said, the domed stadium presentation was impressive.

?It could be up and running by 2006 or 2007, and it fits into our plans,? he said. ?A domed stadium would indeed make this a Magic City again?.

Compiled by News staff writers Mike Perrin and Doug Segrest.
 
Robber,

What is your definition of generating significant revenue and exposure, with all things being considered in regards to attendance numbers and HBCU/SWAC operating at the Division I AA level?

Seriously, what is an exceptable amount of revenue generated off this game to consider it financially successful and relevant in your mind ie. generating a profit, 10K, 50K, 100K, 250K, 500K, $750K, 1M, or etc?

Just Curious!!
 
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