Where is Southern playing (Football) Jackson State in 02? Baton Rogue or New Orleans


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Yeah, we've been getting raped, too...

But I think we've started getting a little dinner here and there, maybe a hug or a snuggle. And a lil lube..... It's not perfect, but it's better that it was.

And they're not handling all the money.............Still beat $300,000.00


We'll holler tomorrow. Gotta go. Peace............:D
 
Re: Since when?

Originally posted by Taylor-Made'90
When was Southern incorporated into the University of Louisiana Higher Ed System?

Southern is not, and has not been incorporated into the University of Louisiana Higher Ed System. It is however, a public, ergo, state-funded institution that is a governed by the Louisiana legislature through its representative body, the Board of Regents. Our governance is by the Southern University Board of Supervisors. The other state-funded universities, i.e., Grambling, Southeastern, ULL, ULM, UNO are governed by the University of Louisiana Board of Supervisors.
 



J-STATER 'S have been crying for the last umpth year about not having enough tickets when they come to play us at home and how they can fill the stadium like we do at the BC.
I have know idea what you guy's are thinking about with all this talk about playing in tiger stadium and what not....but why in the hell would we want to play in tiger stadium when last year the game drew a crowd of 42,000 or so.
Hell when we play in mumford we pack in 34,000 so why the hell play at LSU/SUPERDOME just so J-state can bring a grand total of maybe 1,000 more?
I say screw the expense and keep it right at mumford if J-state aren't happy with their ticket allotment....screw um they sure as hell don't accomedate when we come there with 40,000 plus opening only one damn gate to let us in.

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Taylor,

Let me just say that you are either misinformed or not aware about a lot of what you are commenting on. Yet, you are making a lot of statements as though they are totally factual.

For one, I've noticed a lot of schools don't do well with Classics. Well, the promoters didn't do there job and I'm sure some of the school's got bit with that. But, unless something has changed recently and I can't see that knowing some of the people that review our contracts, SU is pretty set with funds before making a commentment. For example, when Marino Casem came to SU, we had to have our money in the bank cleared so many weeks prior to the game, before we would move our game from SU. So, there was no question as to whether it was more profitable for us to travel to this remote game (classic or not) before giving up the guaranteed profit at Mumford stadium. We have to spend money to take the football team, band, etc... to cities like Jackson or anywhere else including New Orleans. I'm sure we would have to pay LSU something to play in there stadium just as I'm sure we would charge anybody other than the SU Lab school to play in our stadium. Think about it (field damage, lights, cleaning crew, etc... are all definite expenses that someone has to pay).

If the SU/JSU game is still a SWAC game, it doesn't make sense for either school to play their home game in the other school's city. If it isnt' a SWAC game, the game needs to be where it will make the most money with or without a promoter. You don't have to have a promoter to make a game a money maker. It is all about sponsors. The school, the alumni or a promoter can secure the sponsors to guarantee you the money you desire to play the game at a neutral site. There is ALWAYS more than one method of getting a job done.

I hate you don't think ESPN is an option for our school's, especially one of the likes of SU/JSU. It is good enough for NBC, but not ESPN? We have not, because we have not sat down at the table to negotiate and ask with good business sense. We have poor SWAC conference leadership. The schools have what they have due to the leadership at the schools. Yet, two to four strong HBCU schools could work together to get a sweet deal with the likes of ESPN or Fox Sports. ARe you too young to remember SU and Alcorn playing on ESPN?

Whether you think you can or can't: You are correct. So, what do you think? Can we or can't we?

PEACE!!!
 
Originally posted by bluedog
J-STATER 'S have been crying for the last umpth year about not having enough tickets when they come to play us at home and how they can fill the stadium like we do at the BC.
I have know idea what you guy's are thinking about with all this talk about playing in tiger stadium and what not....but why in the hell would we want to play in tiger stadium when last year the game drew a crowd of 42,000 or so.
Hell when we play in mumford we pack in 34,000 so why the hell play at LSU/SUPERDOME just so J-state can bring a grand total of maybe 1,000 more?
I say screw the expense and keep it right at mumford if J-state aren't happy with their ticket allotment....screw um they sure as hell don't accomedate when we come there with 40,000 plus opening only one damn gate to let us in.

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Now what are you talking about??? Man JSU had just as many fans in the Superdome as SU did. That "1,000 more" crack was way off base. And as for the one entrance that you say JSU doesn't accomodate y'all by forcing y'all to enter, JSU fans have to enter through that same one gate. So we have to enter on the visitor's side and walk around. Goes to show you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
 
Originally posted by Robber



And as for the one entrance that you say JSU doesn't accomodate y'all by forcing y'all to enter, JSU fans have to enter through that same one gate. So we have to enter on the visitor's side and walk around. Goes to show you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Haven't been to a game in Jackson since college, what's the deal with the one gate entrance?:confused:
 
Originally posted by Robber


Now what are you talking about??? Man JSU had just as many fans in the Superdome as SU did. That "1,000 more" crack was way off base. And as for the one entrance that you say JSU doesn't accomodate y'all by forcing y'all to enter, JSU fans have to enter through that same one gate. So we have to enter on the visitor's side and walk around. Goes to show you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Easy, Robber. He's still a young buck. *Wet behind the ears.* :rolleyes:
 
One gate issue...

Originally posted by BgJag


Haven't been to a game in Jackson since college, what's the deal with the one gate entrance?:confused:

At Jackson Memorial Stadium, they open only ONE gate to enter the stadium. On the visitors side, at about 3 hours before the game, we start lining up to go into the game. The police, stadium personnel and other various and asundry folk are inside the gate saying there is nothing they can do, they can only open one gate. By the time the gates are opened at 1 1/2 hours before kickoff there are thousands of people standing there waiting and then going through only one gate. At 1 hour before the game they open another gate at the opposite end. Nobody TOLD me this, I have LIVED IT each and every time since 1977. (actually I didn't go in 1981, but my travel group reported, same ole same ole).

We just accept it as business as usual at the Jackson game. It is interesting to find out that they only don't open the gates on the visitors side.:eek: WELL DAYUM. I don't remember seeing a lot of J-Staters in the crush with us. Now you know that really is MESSED up! Memorial Stadium makes EVERYBODY come in on the visitors side and use one gate???????? Why? Why don't you complain about that? Hell we will pay an extra $2.00 per ticket to get all the gates open. Dayum, you have to enter on the visitors side and then walk around? Hard to believe, but if you say so it must be true. That doesn't bother you? What? Why? Dayum you guys should stand up on this issue. Open the friggin' gates, all gates on both sides. Robber, come on, get in on this issue and help the AD put that in the lease contract.

Boggles the mind, defies all logic!
 
Ummmmm Fellow Jags and Jacksonians...

before we get into a riff on opening the one gate, many of you would be pleased to know that Memorial has undergone major renovation and the "one gate" situation has been appeased. I know because I was one of the 30K who went to this years game in the rain. I would say that Memorial is in great condition and I was a happy camper. Kudo's to the State of Mississippi for listening to somebody.

Now as far as the game being moved to a neutral location to accomodate the crowd, I have to side with Pete on this. I don't care if we had the smallest stadium in the SWAC, home field advantage is the best thing you can do for your team. The atmosphere is fo' real. The students can participate fully and the REAL fans will be there in numbers.

I am not concerned about those folks (like my ol lady) who only want to just go to the game to go. I think they waste good fan space if you ask me. I think that there will be other times to go to games. Look at the attendance figures for when SU plays PVAMU at home. No matter if we were averaging 28K prior to, the PV game will see 18K at the most! I ain't for accomodating those folks who are not true fans.

I am for those folks who every week travel from NOLA or Lafayette or Lake Charles or Biloxi on the weekends to see the Jags. These folks have their tickets 90% of the time. Folks who don't are the ones who decide 2 hours before game time that they just might want to go and these are the nuckas who beyotch and moan about parking cuz "they didn't know bout the new set-up" or bout Memorial cuz "they didn't know that there were 5 gates open on the other side" or bout the seating cuz "they didn't know that the box seats were not the best seats" (if they were, why aren't they scarfed up by the season ticket holders?). These same nuckas are the ones who go to a HBCU game with "reserved seats" and show up just before halftime looking for their seats. Now those of you with legit reasons for being late like work, travelling, flat tire, etc., overlook this one.

Anyway, I say do the home-away scenario. Just leave it be!!!!
 
Let me say this.............

znspr8502

It seems that we're getting off on the wrong foot about this whole issue. So, let me put it this way:

As far as the question about where next year's game will be played; my argument has been, to play the game wherever it can make the most money. Now being that it's Southern's game, it would seem that I'm in favor of any move or deal that would make money for Southern. So this isn't a JSU/SU issue. My argument is strictly about the money. Play the game where it makes the most money......My feeling is that you make more money, when you can put more people in the stands. Therefore, play the game where more people can see it. The Stadium in Jackson (with all it's faults) is larger than Mumford. My contention has been, that Jackson may be a viable option for playing the game. More people can see the game in Jackson, than in Baton Rouge. And if LSU's stadium is available and is cost-effective for Southern, then so be it. Play at LSU. If the Superdome is another option, and is also economically feasible(and we don't get raped by the hotels), then play in New Orleans. So be it also. My whole point was, considering Jackson, LSU, and the Superdome, that Jackson might be the best option. But it's Southern's game, so they'll do whatever they want. But they've looked into playing in Jackson already. Don't know how it'll turn out. It hasn't been annouced.

As far as the comment about making the game a Classic. My point has been that if the game is already a success (and it is), then why mess with it? Let's say the game draws 55,000 next year. And tickets are $25.00. That's $1,375,000.00 off ticket sales. Now after you pay a few bills, you keep what's left. By having a promoter, schools only get what's promised. And that's going to always be less than what's left(unless there's a small crowd, and that's unlikely). Because promoters promote in order to make a profit. Let's say that a promoter handled the game, and guaranteed $200,000.00 for each school. That's $400,000.00 in payoffs. He'd still start with the original 1.375-mil, and subtract his expenses, and recoup his overhead, and pay the schools. He then gets what's left. And it's that 'what's left' I've been arguing against. Why should we agree to give somebody else the 'what's left' when we could've kept it. That's all I've been saying. I don't think Classics work, when the game is already a big success. Now, would a JSU/SU Classic make money? Yes...Definitely... Would it make more money than it does now? I doubt it... You'd have to add a whole lot to it.

And as far as finding a sponsor goes; what's in it for the sponsor? If his guarantee is equal to the payout otherwise, than how does he profit from it? He may make a little in advertising, but if you underwrite an event, and it costs $500,000.00, and you make $550,000.00, then you're losing money. And seemingly wasting time. Businesses are going to want a larger profit margin. I just don't see them making a whole lot more money than the game generates now. Now maybe moving the game to another part of the country(where a different group of people can see it) might generate some of that, but as long as it stays between Mississippi and Louisiana, you aren't going to draw outside your 'core' audience. And that core audience is packing the stands. So why move it?

And I am old enough to remember ESPN showing black college football(back in the day, before they started showing all of div 1-A). All I'm saying is that in the last few years, television contracts have become an increasingly larger part of overall college football revenue. And networks are lining up trying to make deals to broadcast games. And 1-A football is what's king. Those conferences aren't going out looking for broadcast deals, the networks and coming to them. And while I think that we can get to the level where we get television coverage on a regular basis, I don't think we're there yet. I think that individually, some schools are there, but collectively we(as a conference) aren't. I think we need to keep working towards raising the level of play, in order to make us (as a conference) more marketable to the networks. I'm sure that today, Friday 12/14, Southern, Grambling, and Jackson State, could probably get broadcast committments. The schools are well-know, and traditionally have good teams, and have big fan followings. They also have name recognition. But what about the other seven SWAC schools? Do we wanna leave them out? We can, if that's what we want to. But I don't think we would.

So to answer your question about can we or can't we, my answer is yes...and no... Yes, we can, but maybe no.. not right now, today. But we need to keep on marketing our conference, and capitalizing on opportunities to make money. I don't think any of our schools have Alumni giving 10s of millions of dollars each year, so we have to grow our schools and programs from the ground up. And that's what we've always done.

But anyway, wherever Southern wants to play JState is fine with me. I'd just ask that if we play at Mumford, can we have a few more Porta Potties for the End Zone crowd. When we went down there in '96, we sat in the end zone and there were two. And they were 'full' by the end of the 1st quarter. It wasn't pretty......:D
 
well thanks diehard for getting the story straight about J-state entering on our side knowing damn well that they have more than one gate open on theirs, i enter that way at those few time i could put up with their smack talking myself but most times i just endure the inconvience because by the time we all got in it would have us so fired-up and piss it made for a good football atmosphere.

oh..and as for me still being wet being the ears SU 74/78
they didn't make simalic in the 50's
 
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