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SUJagFan said:
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You don't realize how IGNANT that sounds.

Data is not stored or transmitted in posts and threads. Data is stored and transmitted in bits, bytes and packets. If someone was to do a search of "Deception" on this board, the search would result in both the Deception thread and the Deception 2 thread. The SAME amount of information as if it had been left in one thread.

These threads are not being saved as "threads" or "posts" on those servers. Computer drives and memory don't work that way.

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Dude, these threads are stored in one big ass database. The larger a table is in a database, the longer it takes to do a search on it. I run a vBulletin board myself, and deal with databases all day everyday at work on local and remote servers. A simple google search or going to www.vbulletin.com will echo exactly what I'm saying. I been dealing with computers for 30 years. I know what I'm talking about.

Every time a thread is viewed, a lot of information has to be called from the database, both to build the page you are looking at and the 'Next'/'Previous' page links. The bigger a thread gets, the more information that has to be accessed to build the pages. After a certain point, which is dependent on how busy a site is and how powerful the server hosting the site is, a single page building process can take so much time that it backs up other processes. If this is allowed to continue unchecked, the resource-hog processes can crash the MySQL server or even the whole box.
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http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1303018
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php/251794-Long-long-thread-does-it-harm

Need a plug-in that will split threads once they reach a certain length (e.g., 1,000 posts).

Suggested Features:

When a thread's post count reaches a specified number (e.g., 1,000):
1 - Start a new thread with the same title (plus a counter? E.g.: Game Thread - 2)
2 - The first post of the old thread is copied into the first post of the new thread.
3 - The last post of the old thread is copied into the second post of the new thread.
4 - The old thread is auto-closed
5 - A closing post with an explanation and a link to the new thread is added to the old thread.

This is a great need for game threads and hot topics.

Keeping a thread's post count >1,000 makes the cpu load during searches more manageable.
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http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=128042
 
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ToPdOg said:
Dude, these threads are stored in one big ass database. The larger a table is in a database, the longer it takes to do a search on it. I run a vBulletin board myself, and deal with databases all day everyday at work on local and remote servers. A simple google search or going to www.vbulletin.com will each exactly what I'm saying. I been dealing with computers for 30 years. I know what I'm talking about.



http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1303018
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php/251794-Long-long-thread-does-it-harm



http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=128042
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You don't know nothing.

:lol:

Did you even read that garbage you linked?

These people are talking about threads with 1000, 9000, 10000 and 25000 posts! Those are exact numbers that I pulled from your own sources. That last paragraph in your post is pure garbage. It is about an add-on this guy proposed that nothing came of it. And they still haven't come to a conclusion that long threads cause any harm. Some folks said that it MAY depending on the server.

On this board, these people are talking about locking threads after 50, 100 or 200 posts. You can search the internet long and hard. I don't care. You're not going to be able to come up with any justification for that.
 

A post from GlockTalk. From the same thread you tried to use to prove your point:

"Lightweight!!!

We have a thread here at GT with over 11,000 posts. 469 pages long and over a half-million views! It's been running now for over 10 years!!!"

:slap:
 
SUJagFan said:
A post from GlockTalk. From the same thread you tried to use to prove your point:

"Lightweight!!!

We have a thread here at GT with over 11,000 posts. 469 pages long and over a half-million views! It's been running now for over 10 years!!!"

:slap:
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It all depends on the server resources dude. Whether it's a dedicated box, or a box hosting other sites as well. I can host a vBulletin board on a $399 laptop, but it would be slow as hell, especially if i'm hosting multiple sites on it. Tell me, how much do you know about vBulletin from an administration standpoint?
 
ToPdOg said:
It all depends on the server resources dude. Whether it's a dedicated box, or a box hosting other sites as well. I can host a vBulletin board on a $399 laptop, but it would be slow as hell, especially if i'm hosting multiple sites on it. Tell me, how much do you know about vBulletin from an administration standpoint?
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You're slick, but you're not slick enough, dude.

Anybody hosting a board on a laptop is an idiot. Especially when there are so many other places to host a site for a very economical price. You're using this mumbo-jumbo acting like you know something, but not telling the whole truth. It ain't gonna work.

How many vBulletin boards I personally run from a laptop is irrelevant. From an administrative standpoint. :lol:
 
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SUJagFan said:
You're slick, but you're not slick enough, dude.

Anybody hosting a board on a laptop is an idiot. Especially when there are so many other places to host a site for a very economical price. You're using this mumbo-jumbo acting like you know something, but not telling the whole truth. It ain't gonna work.

How many vBulletin boards I run from a laptop is irrelevant. From an administrative standpoint. :lol:
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Dude I was just giving that as an example of what could be done. I agree that running a vBulletin board from a laptop isn't something that I'd recommend. Although I deal with this stuff on a daily basis, dealt with it when I was in school in Comp Sci at SU, dealt with it when I worked in the Comp Sci dept at SU for years, dealt with it when I worked for IBM, and dealing with it now in my current job, I'll defer to your expertise in this subject since you seem to be the expert. You seem to like to argue for the sake of arguing so have fun arguing with yourself. Cya!! :wavey:
 
And you still offered no justification for locking threads at 200 posts. Just listed a bunch of worthless internet threads and gave your "credentials" like that means something. But, no solid answers. You should work for the government.

You are dismissed.

Goodbye.
 
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SUJagFan said:
You're slick, but you're not slick enough, dude.

Anybody hosting a board on a laptop is an idiot. Especially when there are so many other places to host a site for a very economical price. You're using this mumbo-jumbo acting like you know something, but not telling the whole truth. It ain't gonna work.

How many vBulletin boards I personally run from a laptop is irrelevant. From an administrative standpoint. :lol:
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There is only a few people who have donated to Kenn to keep this site up and running on a decent server all these years. Keeping the threads at a decent level on these servers help a lot.
 
SUJagFan said:
And you still offered no justification for locking threads at 200 posts. Just listed a bunch of worthless internet threads and gave your "credentials" like that means something. But, no solid answers. You should work for the government.

You are dismissed.

Goodbye.
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Threads close at 200 post (with exceptions from time to time)....period. These are the rules.

End of story.
 
Kenn Rashad said:
Threads close at 200 post (with exceptions from time to time)....period. These are the rules.

End of story.
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I expected no less. And that's a shame .... :shame:

Now that I've goaded you to respond :lol: ... two questions:

1) Someone earlier suggested having a written list of the rules would be helpful. Is it possible to get a clear and defined list of rules? I've seen that on other boards and it seems to be a reasonable request.

2) Is it possible to have the rules enforced fairly without some people being targeted and threatened while others are allowed more leniency? Fair enforcement of the rules - whatever they may be. Is that possible?
 
Hey I love the number of post rule on here. Who want to take time and go through a 30-100 page thread and read all that crap? [Especially on here when sometimes when good subjects turn to insult trading and the essence of the subject of the thread is forgotten.] The only exceptions as someone said are the football/basketball game threads and sometimes the TV stickys' ie "24" and "The Sopranos" when they were on the air.
 
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Fiyah said:
There is only a few people who have donated to Kenn to keep this site up and running on a decent server all these years. Keeping the threads at a decent level on these servers help a lot.
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Bingo. The part that gets me is that some of these folks here complaining probably haven't donated a dime to the site. Not saying opinions shouldn't be voiced, but to complain this much about a free service? C'mon son!! :shame:
 
pbla said:
Hey I love the number of post rule on here. Who want to take time and go through a 30-100 page thread and read all that crap? [Especially on here when sometimes when good subjects turn to insult trading and the essence of the subject of the thread is forgotten.] The only exceptions as someone said are the football/basketball game threads and sometimes the TV stickys' ie "24" and "The Sopranos" when they were on the air.
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+1
 
Some people might be more willing to help if they were treated better. Some of your best help could be staring you in the face, but arrogance and hubris is blinding. :noidea:
 
At the end of the day people CHOOSE to come to this site. Nobody forces anyone to come here. Apparently people feel that this site does offer some value, or else they wouldn't keep coming back. The admins and mods don't do this to make their living. They do it on the side. Being an admin or a moderator on a site like this is not necessarily a privilege, it's more of a responsibility. A responsibility that they take time out of the daily lives to uphold. I can't say that I agree with all of their decisions, but in the end, they are the ones responsible for this site. Running a site like this takes time and money. Far be it from me to tell anyone to leave, but if people felt that they were THAT mistreated, they wouldn't be coming back day after day. I've donated to the site in the past and plan on continuing to do so in the future because I do see the value of this site, and when time permits in my real life, I do enjoy it a lot. The bottom line is that nobody here owes anyone here anything. Take it or leave it.
 
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I haven't had any problems from the higher ups on the site at all in the four years I've been a member. I think the site has value and is a great tool for sharing communication. Some people aren't going to agree with all the rules. That's fine.

If 200 posts is the limit, so be it. If threads are closed because the conversation becomes irrelevant to the original intent of the topic, so be it. However, if members have questions about the rules in place or what have you, I think they should be answered with respect.

At the end of the this is a place where we share ideas, thoughts and messages. There shouldn't be all this strife around here.
 
ToPdOg said:
At the end of the day people CHOOSE to come to this site. Nobody forces anyone to come here. Apparently people feel that this site does offer some value, or else they wouldn't keep coming back. The admins and mods don't do this to make their living. They do it on the side. Being an admin or a moderator on a site like this is not necessarily a privilege, it's more of a responsibility. A responsibility that they take time out of the daily lives to uphold. I can't say that I agree with all of their decisions, but in the end, they are the ones responsible for this site. Running a site like this takes time and money. Far be it from me to tell anyone to leave, but if people felt that they were THAT mistreated, they wouldn't be coming back day after day. I've donated to the site in the past and plan on continuing to do so in the future because I do see the value of this site, and when time permits in my real life, I do enjoy it a lot. The bottom line is that nobody here owes anyone here anything. Take it or leave it.
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At the end of the day people choose to come here for the conversation and interaction with each other. They come here to interact with people who are similarly interested in HBCUs and SWAC sports. However, the owner and the moderators seem hell bent on impeding and hindering that as much as possible.

Also, since this costs time and money, you would think it might be a good idea to approach it as a business. I imagine if it were approached in a business-like manner, then you wouldn't have to donate to the site because the site would turn a profit. That is done by serving and KEEPING customers. Not by driving them away due to the sensitivities and arrogance of the few who are bewilderingly in charge.

You may understand the technical side of running a message board, but I've seen little hint of any knowledge of the business aspect of the board. I know of a couple of guys who were told if they didn't like a board to leave and form their own board. They did. Their board is fun and entertaining and they have TWO RULES: No cursing in the title of a thread and no porn. TWO RULES! They do all sorts of things to market and promote their site - from having a tent at every home game that provides free food to merchandise that they sell like t-shirts with their logo on it. I talked to one of the guys a few weeks ago and he told me they each made $60K from the board. And get this ... they both also have full time jobs. I imagine they don't spend any more time BUILDING their business than these people do trying to shut folks up and drive them away. It's the same amount of time. Different perspective. The posters are not the enemy. Yes, those guys are fans of a SEC school and may have a larger fan-base. I still think a different approach may provide different results. A win-win for everyone involved.

Don't think just because I'm speaking out, I'm against Kenn or the board. Actually, I'm speaking for some who can't. Folks who would get threatened and banned if they said anything. Don't assume that just because a person has a different opinion he's automatically your foe. He could be really trying to help.
 
If that's your angle, the from the business aspect of it, Kenn, the admins, and the mods run the business, and we the posters are their customers, and from what I've been told, very few of those are paying customers (meaning actually donate to the site). What obligation does a business have to non-paying customers? If you go into a restaurant and sit at a table without purchasing something, after a while, they ask you buy something or leave. The admins and mods seem to get more bitching and complaining than actually being thanked for the time they put in to keep this board up and running, all for free. And that's a damn shame. :shame:

Some boards are profitable, some are not. I bet a good chunk of that money that that board made was from advertising revenue from ads on the board, and guess what, posters here bitch about that too. :smh:
 
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Yes, a lot of the money they make is from ads. In addition to the ads like we have on this board, they also go out and sell ads to local businesses and give those ads permanent and prominent space on the board. They even sold the naming right of the different forums on their board. For example, if Small Talk is the hang out spot on this board, they gave the naming rights of Small Talk to a local sports bar. It's called "Sports Bar Small Talk" using the name of the bar that paid to be able to give the forum their name. During football season, folks from the board actually meet up at the sports bar and watch the game. The board makes money from the advertising and the bar gets money from the customers the board sends to the bar. Win-Win situation. These guys are constantly searching for new revenue streams from their board.

However, that starts with creating a message board environment that people enjoy. One where they feel welcomed and appreciated. That's where it starts.

Also, although we may not pay a fee for this site, without traffic those ads don't get clicked. So, everyone that visits here is a paying customer. And the higher the traffic, the more money this site would make. I may not be too bright, but it seems to me that the goal should be to find ways to get as much traffic (customers) as possible. But, more important than drawing people to the site is KEEPING people on the site once they get here. Overbearing and irrational moderators and unresponsive and inflexible management does the opposite of what needs to be done.

Lastly, there's no growth without change. A tree doesn't grow unless it changes in some way. You can't do things the way they have always been done. Any successful living organism (even a business) must adapt to survive. There's no standing still in life. Either you're growing or you're dying. Either you're getting better or the world is passing you by. That's life. Being flexible and willing to adapt is necessary.

I learned this the hard way. In business, I faced a big decision a while back. Somebody who had 30 - 35 years experience in the business told me that they wouldn't do what I planned to do. Being cocky and arrogant, I did it anyway. Cost me big time. I went back to that person after it was over and told them they were right. Now, I often seek advice and different perspectives when I make decisions. Proverbs 15:22 says "[W]ithout counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established." Sometimes it may be a good idea to LISTEN to a different perspective. In business, that often starts with listening to your customers and providing the best product/service possible to them because they are the ones who ultimately provide the revenue.
 
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