The SWAC needs a basketball advisor to advise presidents and ADs


2kool

2kool

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This was discussed on the HBCU Gameday podcast a while back. They mentioned D1 HBCUs in general not taking advantage of the more equal landscape regarding the SWAC/MEAC and midmajors who utilize more resources on basketball.

Anyone agree with this? Could it work?
 
2kool said:
This was discussed on the HBCU Gameday podcast a while back. They mentioned D1 HBCUs in general not taking advantage of the more equal landscape regarding the SWAC/MEAC and midmajors who utilize more resources on basketball.

Anyone agree with this? Could it work?
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Do you have more details about what they aren't taking advantage of?
 

The main issues would be on coach hires and resource allocation. Some coaches have better pedigrees than others...even at price points that our schools can afford. Also, Texas Southern has shown the SWAC that the extra dollars committed to basketball is doable and pays off big dividends in terms of exposure and revenue.

In our case, an independent advisor would have saved AAMU basketball over the last five years, had the information been heeded and valued by those in the decision making chain (thats the potential wall or bottleneck)

Often times, politics or a percieved financial deficiency decides who gets hired and what level of resources and staff effort a coach gets. That advisor could help assist ADs and internal search committees.

Information is power, and those in the decision chain dont always have access to vital information that could make or break the future of a program
 
2kool said:
The main issues would be on coach hires and resource allocation. Some coaches have better pedigrees than others...even at price points that our schools can afford. Also, Texas Southern has shown the SWAC that the extra dollars committed to basketball is doable and pays off big dividends in terms of exposure and revenue.

In our case, an independent advisor would have saved AAMU basketball over the last five years, had the information been heeded and valued by those in the decision making chain (thats the potential wall or bottleneck)

Often times, politics or a percieved financial deficiency decides who gets hired and what level of resources and staff effort a coach gets. That advisor could help assist ADs and internal search committees.

Information is power, and those in the decision chain dont always have access to vital information that could make or break the future of a program
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You might be right about Texas Southern, but I want to see what Texas Southern's APR looks like in a few years. I don't think they can continue to keep their score up if they keep bringing in all the transfers.
 
AAMU is just not going to be good in anything. .. but I do agree that the rest of us can do better and we don't need an advisor. We just need better ADs and supportive Administrations. TxSo and JSU have good bball programs and support without an outside advisor.
 
jag4life said:
Transfers don't really hurt you. You have a higher risk to APR with high school recruits.
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Yep. Like one that stays with your program a year then goes JUCO. Goes to a D2 school one year then drops out. Your APR is gonna pay

I'm waiting to see what our APR is like after next year
 
Generally speaking a transfer is just another student. The difference is that transfers have more personal issues they are dealing with that a freshman. A lot of times transfers are only their to play a sport and/or get away from a certain situation. If they don't come in as a first year starter a lot will quit going to class. They can also cause issues with the returning players if they come in and take someone's starting job and the coaches don't know how to handle that situation.
 
Hey Que said:
Generally speaking a transfer is just another student. The difference is that transfers have more personal issues they are dealing with that a freshman. A lot of times transfers are only their to play a sport and/or get away from a certain situation. If they don't come in as a first year starter a lot will quit going to class. They can also cause issues with the returning players if they come in and take someone's starting job and the coaches don't know how to handle that situation.
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Transfers are usually in the later years of their careers as athletes. Most simply dont cause the negativity they have a perception of causing. For every headcase there are multiple guys that finish their degrees and carry off framed jerseys on Senior night
 
Hey Que said:
Generally speaking a transfer is just another student. The difference is that transfers have more personal issues they are dealing with that a freshman. A lot of times transfers are only their to play a sport and/or get away from a certain situation. If they don't come in as a first year starter a lot will quit going to class. They can also cause issues with the returning players if they come in and take someone's starting job and the coaches don't know how to handle that situation.
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Academically speaking transfers are already acclimated to college life. They are less likely to fail out of school because they have already experienced the hectic lie of a college student-athlete.
 
2kool said:
Transfers are usually in the later years of their careers as athletes. Most simply dont cause the negativity they have a perception of causing. For every headcase there are multiple guys that finish their degrees and carry off framed jerseys on Senior night
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I rarely agree with you because you are typically wrong but I don't see why people give transfers such a hard rap. A student is a student in my opinion. The PROBLEM is making sure their departments checks their transcripts vs the admissions dept. The university may accept certain classes which would make the student a Jr but if the department has stricter requirements, then that student could be still a sophomore. You can have a 4.0 and still hurt your school APR if you were not brought in right. JSU knows this all too well.
 
Tigerpride said:
I rarely agree with you because you are typically wrong but I don't see why people give transfers such a hard rap. A student is a student in my opinion. The PROBLEM is making sure their departments checks their transcripts vs the admissions dept. The university may accept certain classes which would make the student a Jr but if the department has stricter requirements, then that student could be still a sophomore. You can have a 4.0 and still hurt your school APR if you were not brought in right. JSU knows this all too well.
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The Queen was wrong for licking JSU dry and hiring these sorry ass football coaches.

You will be 0-4 against the worst A&M coach in history come Thanksgiving.
 

The transfer is on the athlete's initial school's APR. It's the high school and JUCO recruit that hurts your APR.
 
JUCOs are safer in some cases as they'll do their 2 or 3 years and pop

taking on young transfers is a risk and high schoolers are like gambling:

1. you hope they're college ready socially, academically...
2. you hope they don't get mad and want to bolt for playing time after freshman year
3. you hope they can play as your forced to keep them as a bench warmer or cut them as coach's job is on the line
 
the band fan said:
JUCOs are safer in some cases as they'll do their 2 or 3 years and pop

taking on young transfers is a risk and high schoolers are like gambling:

1. you hope they're college ready socially, academically...
2. you hope they don't get mad and want to bolt for playing time after freshman year
3. you hope they can play as your forced to keep them as a bench warmer or cut them as coach's job is on the line
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Also with high schoolers, you dont get a sense of their work ethic because their support system (HS coaches, parents, etc) all have a vested interest in them getting a scholarship and wont tell the truth.
 
J C said:
The transfer is on the athlete's initial school's APR. It's the high school and JUCO recruit that hurts your APR.
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Transfers become part of your APR as soon as they enroll and get scholarship money. Juco players are much safer than high school also.
 
2kool said:
Also with high schoolers, you dont get a sense of their work ethic because their support system (HS coaches, parents, etc) all have a vested interest in them getting a scholarship and wont tell the truth.
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easily. That's why teams on our level prefer to go after JUCOs or grad transfers and may take in a minimal high schooler as you take on too many and they all leave your class or not as good as the clippings and APR is toast. That class Brent recruited at Jackson State had potential to be real solid a few years back but hardly any were around for year 4. He went heavy JUCO after.
 
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