LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
Can someone explain what's the difference between the Bible and the Koran?
The Koran...
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hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
this is NOT meant to offend ANYONE...
with that caveat qualifying what i am about to post....
Muslims acknowledge the Bible (parts of it) as sacred scripture and a significant part of the Qu'ran contains revelation found in the Bible
Specifically, the story of Joseph, Moses, Abraham, and even the Gospels of Jesus are important to Muslims
Remember that Muslims believe in the same deity as Christians and Jews
Remember that while Isaac "sired" the Hebrews, his older brother Ishmael was the seed from which came forth the Arab people
Hebrews gave us Judaism directly and Christianity indirectly
Abrabs gave us al-Islam
all are universal religions
all believe in the same God
the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, is mentioned more often in the Qu'ran than she is in the Bible and the Qu'ran maintains that was "pure" when she gave birth to Jesus
We acknowledge the same prophets and the same angels (which means that we also acknowledge the fallen angel Satan as the devil)
?good question!
with that caveat qualifying what i am about to post....
Muslims acknowledge the Bible (parts of it) as sacred scripture and a significant part of the Qu'ran contains revelation found in the Bible
Specifically, the story of Joseph, Moses, Abraham, and even the Gospels of Jesus are important to Muslims
Remember that Muslims believe in the same deity as Christians and Jews
Remember that while Isaac "sired" the Hebrews, his older brother Ishmael was the seed from which came forth the Arab people
Hebrews gave us Judaism directly and Christianity indirectly
Abrabs gave us al-Islam
all are universal religions
all believe in the same God
the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, is mentioned more often in the Qu'ran than she is in the Bible and the Qu'ran maintains that was "pure" when she gave birth to Jesus
We acknowledge the same prophets and the same angels (which means that we also acknowledge the fallen angel Satan as the devil)
?good question!
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
there is more but i want to make sure that my post is well-organized as it is likely to offend and that will not be my intention
*but is along the lines of how Christians look at Jesus and his impact on the relevance and execution of Jewish law
remember what the Bible says he said before he died on the cross...
*but is along the lines of how Christians look at Jesus and his impact on the relevance and execution of Jewish law
remember what the Bible says he said before he died on the cross...
LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
*keep going*
nevaehinvesting
Active Member
The Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God by whom we are saved for eternity, through faith in Him.
The Koran does not acknowledge the Truth of salvation through Jesus.
Big difference!
The Koran does not acknowledge the Truth of salvation through Jesus.
Big difference!
nevaehinvesting
Active Member
As I've said many times, Christians are Christians because of our relationship with the Lord, not because of a religion or denomination or spiritual click.
Though religions are usually a big turn-off to me, of course I respect them. We all should. The same way we should all respect guns.
I respect religion(s) because it can cause a lot of damage to someone's life, or possibly help them.
Agree with them......no. Respect them......yes.
Because like guns, they can be very powerful.
They can lead you to Hell, or point you in the direction of Heaven.
Remember:
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
from "Islam: Beliefs and Teachings" by Ghulam Sarwar:
A Muslim believes in all of the revealed books which are mentioned in the Qu'ran. They are: the Torah of Moses, the Psalms of David, the Gospel of Jesus, and the Qu'ran revealed to Muhammed. The Qu'ran also mentions the Scripture of Abraham.
A Muslim believes in all of the revealed books which are mentioned in the Qu'ran. They are: the Torah of Moses, the Psalms of David, the Gospel of Jesus, and the Qu'ran revealed to Muhammed. The Qu'ran also mentions the Scripture of Abraham.
dacontinent
Preacher
Re: from "Islam: Beliefs and Teachings" by Ghulam Sarwar:
How can this be since much of the two are diametrically opposed?
How can this be since much of the two are diametrically opposed?
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
not necessarily...
al-Islam maintains that the aforementioned revelations as they were originally revealed to the prophets are actually quite consistent with one another
al-Islam further maintains that, through years of translating (eg Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, et cetera) and modifying by folks that were not chosen by God like the prophets were chosen, things were changed, added, deleted, embellished thus altering the original divine revelation
also, the fact that virtually all of the accounts were written long years after the prophets left this temporal Earth does not lend itself to much accuracy
to whit, there are some inconsistencies that keep even the most learned and devoted of Christian scholars debating to this very day (for example, in three of the four Gospels, the episode when Jesus threw the money-changers out of the Temple in Jerusalem set the incident during the Passover celebration just before Jesus was brought before Pilate while the fourth mentions it as having happened at the beginning of his ministry)
moreover, ?how many "versions" of the Bible are there? King James, International, Saint Joseph, et al
there is only one Qu'ran
*more on this soon
al-Islam maintains that the aforementioned revelations as they were originally revealed to the prophets are actually quite consistent with one another
al-Islam further maintains that, through years of translating (eg Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, et cetera) and modifying by folks that were not chosen by God like the prophets were chosen, things were changed, added, deleted, embellished thus altering the original divine revelation
also, the fact that virtually all of the accounts were written long years after the prophets left this temporal Earth does not lend itself to much accuracy
to whit, there are some inconsistencies that keep even the most learned and devoted of Christian scholars debating to this very day (for example, in three of the four Gospels, the episode when Jesus threw the money-changers out of the Temple in Jerusalem set the incident during the Passover celebration just before Jesus was brought before Pilate while the fourth mentions it as having happened at the beginning of his ministry)
moreover, ?how many "versions" of the Bible are there? King James, International, Saint Joseph, et al
there is only one Qu'ran
kevdawg
Skrong Bulldog Pride!
Re: not necessarily...
Not sure what you mean. There are many translations of the Bible, but most made the attempt to translate from the original Hebrew & Aramaic languages that the inspired word of God was written in. Sometimes mistakes were made in the translations, but those were corrected or addendums given in footnotes as the original meanings of words were revisited. So it's as true to the original meaning of God's word as possible.
Is the Qu'ran only available in it's original language? Is nothing lost in the translation to other languages?
Not sure what you mean. There are many translations of the Bible, but most made the attempt to translate from the original Hebrew & Aramaic languages that the inspired word of God was written in. Sometimes mistakes were made in the translations, but those were corrected or addendums given in footnotes as the original meanings of words were revisited. So it's as true to the original meaning of God's word as possible.
Is the Qu'ran only available in it's original language? Is nothing lost in the translation to other languages?
dacontinent
Preacher
Re: not necessarily...
The gospel accounts were written by those who walked with Jesus of Nazareth. They were THERE. They WITNESSED what happened. How much more accurate need we be?
The gospel accounts were written by those who walked with Jesus of Nazareth. They were THERE. They WITNESSED what happened. How much more accurate need we be?
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
here we go again...
folks, i'm not trying to turn this into an exercise in hostility
a question was asked and i am trying to answer it
the Gospels of Jesus contained in the Bible were written AFTER Paul wrote his letters so we are talking about a lapse of at least sixty years before the first gospel was put down on paper
?have you ever played that game where you form a circle of people, whisper something in someone's ear and work your way around the room?
?notice how differently the end product differs from the original?
as for the Qu'ran, because al-Islam is a universal religion there are many of them that are in a local tongue but it is the norm to find the Qu'ran with a "local language" on the left and the original Arabic on the right
folks, i'm not trying to turn this into an exercise in hostility
a question was asked and i am trying to answer it
the Gospels of Jesus contained in the Bible were written AFTER Paul wrote his letters so we are talking about a lapse of at least sixty years before the first gospel was put down on paper
?have you ever played that game where you form a circle of people, whisper something in someone's ear and work your way around the room?
?notice how differently the end product differs from the original?
as for the Qu'ran, because al-Islam is a universal religion there are many of them that are in a local tongue but it is the norm to find the Qu'ran with a "local language" on the left and the original Arabic on the right
J C
Well-Known Member
The Council of Nicaea (modern day Turkey) assembled by Emperor Constantine in 325 decided the distinctive Christian doctrine of the Trinity and a definitive statement of essential beliefs of the Christian faith, the Nicene Creed. The Council also decided which books would be included in the New Testament and Sunday would be the Sabbath day.
kevdawg
Skrong Bulldog Pride!
Re: here we go again...
The Bible is just like the Qu'ran in that it has been translated into a language the readers can understand. It has been updated at times to give a more accurate and understandable translation, which is why you have King James, New King James, New International, etc. Again, I'm not trying to be hostile. Just wanted clarification.
That's not my intent or reaction at all. I hope it didn't sound that way. I'm only trying to understand what you meant. IIRC, the only gospel that was written by a person who didn't walk with Jesus was Luke. And he is noted as a doctor who wrote his book based upon interviews with people who did walk with Jesus.
The Bible is just like the Qu'ran in that it has been translated into a language the readers can understand. It has been updated at times to give a more accurate and understandable translation, which is why you have King James, New King James, New International, etc. Again, I'm not trying to be hostile. Just wanted clarification.
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
that's the thing: the Qu'ran has never been "updated" - the text is unchanged
there is no King Faisel's edition of the Qu'ran
translating into another tongue is not to be confused with "updating" it as language evolves
reading the Qu'ran in its form now is like reading the Bible in its Dead Sea Scrolls form
*kev, we cool dawg, we cool
there is no King Faisel's edition of the Qu'ran
translating into another tongue is not to be confused with "updating" it as language evolves
reading the Qu'ran in its form now is like reading the Bible in its Dead Sea Scrolls form
*kev, we cool dawg, we cool
LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
What else do they say in the Qu'ran about Mary (in general) that they don't say in the Bible?