The Koran...
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LadyLuck13
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nevaehinvesting
Active Member
It would be almost impossible for a group of men to pass a story along amongst themselves without it changing, including scriptures.
But II Timothy 3:16 (basically) says that WITH GOD, those same men can be told something and pass it along and by the time it gets written down, it's still from God. With God, that is very possible.
Why? Without God you get one result (impossible). With Him, you get a different result (very possible).
1. God knew who to pick to write down His Word.
2. God knew who to pick to translate His Word.
As a matter of fact, God is soooooo wise that......
if He wanted someone to write down the number 1,
but knew that the imperfect man would mess up and write down the number 2 instead,
He may just tell them to write down the number 2 initially knowing that the man would write down the number 1 accidently - which is what God wanted in the first place.
Did you get that? Anyways, you either believe God's Word, or you don't. Just remember that you're betting eternity on it.
The bible & koran have two very different belief systems.
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
wait, lemme see if i can make out what you're trying to get me believe...
So what you're saying (or what you think Timothy is saying) is that if something conflicts, if one bit of information contradicts the other, if a piece of information is imperfect in its inaccuracy it is possible that it came from God, the Perfect Being?
Is that what you are saying?
Huh??
HUH??
No, the brain God blessed me with will not allow to be taken in so easily.
I do believe God's Word - my problem is what some men will have me believe is His Word just because it suits them that way.
No, I'm not; Muslims are not allowed to bet - God said we couldnt.
*So much for Las Vegas Night or Bingo Bash at the Mosque.
of course they do (when some men take literary license with the former)
So what you're saying (or what you think Timothy is saying) is that if something conflicts, if one bit of information contradicts the other, if a piece of information is imperfect in its inaccuracy it is possible that it came from God, the Perfect Being?
Is that what you are saying?
Huh??
HUH??
No, the brain God blessed me with will not allow to be taken in so easily.
I do believe God's Word - my problem is what some men will have me believe is His Word just because it suits them that way.
No, I'm not; Muslims are not allowed to bet - God said we couldnt.
*So much for Las Vegas Night or Bingo Bash at the Mosque.
of course they do (when some men take literary license with the former)
nevaehinvesting
Active Member
Nope. Re-read post. II Timothy 3:16 = all scriptures is God Breathed....From God's mouth to the bible's pages, it never lost perfection. Why??? How??? Because God knows the beginning - from the end. All things work together for the good of those who love God.....meaning....
IF man were going to write something wrong in the bible, God knew it before hand, and planned for it.
IF man were going to tell a story wrong to the next generation, God knew it before hand, and planned for it.
How did He plan for it? Who cares. I just believe the planned worked, and we have the truth today because of it (the bible).
That means, whatever God told man to write down as scripture, regardless of who wrote it, how many times they wrote, how many different stories they heard about it before they wrote, God STILL knew what the finished bible would say that we have today. He planned it. And, He did a good job. Somehow, after ALL the bible authors, all the translations, all the criticism, all the _________, the bible is still perfect, and II Timothy 3:16 is still truth! Praise God!
To say that bible scripture, the true Word of God, is changed therefor imperfect, is a slap in the face of God. Like He didn't know the future & plan accourdingly....
Man = natural
God = super-natural
Man = impossible
God = all things are possible
Can not be broken down further.
God will break things down and let you understand all of your HUHs??? if you ask Him.
What part? All of it? Do you think some was distorted from the 'circle' effect you posted above, when it was passed down? What do you believe God's Word is?
All the more reason to get saved.
Otherwise, you're betting.
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
Just like Jesus corrected the things that humans got wrong (eg the Mosiac allowance for divorce) with Scripture and keeps the things that are right via his gospels (love your neighbor, do works of charity), the Qu'ran corrects the things that humans got wrong with Scripture (God having partners, children, et cetera) and keeps the things that are right (eg Jesus' virgin birth via Mary, the Beatitudes, the Oneness of God as expressed in the Lord's Prayer, et cetera).
I've never heard of the "God knew we wuz gonna get it wrong so He planned for it" perspective - at least not quite expressed like that - but i agree with you.
God knew that some folks were going to take all of what Jesus was trying to teach us (God's Will and Word) and distort it so He planned for the ministry of Muhammed to set it all right just like Jesus' ministry had it BEFORE folks (eg Saul/Paul) got it all wrong.
dacontinent
Preacher
Not quite. Both the individual human and Satan also know if he is saved or not.
No hostility intended.
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
DAC
i read you
my point is that, ultimately, it is God and only God that has that call
sure, we an individuals have to do what we have to and God makes His decision based on what we do/dont do and sure Shaitan plays a role but in the end, it is God and only God that judges
we just give the evidence
i read you
my point is that, ultimately, it is God and only God that has that call
sure, we an individuals have to do what we have to and God makes His decision based on what we do/dont do and sure Shaitan plays a role but in the end, it is God and only God that judges
we just give the evidence