THE END TIMES PROPHECY!

[illinijag]

Based on you and Dr. H's logic God is a liar. You guys are saying their is no nation above all nations of the earth who claim to be God's people. There is no nation that God Himself stated He would make the head and never the tail. Why are you guys calling God a liar?

What value is it for a nation to claim that it is a nation above all other nations if such a nation is saturated in sin? We are a nation lead by PRIDE, brother God hates pride. God cares nothing about the relative goodness of the USA compared to other nations, God does not grade on a curve.

Deuteronomy 15:6. For the Lord thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

It is interesting that we are the blessed nation, yet we are unable to pay our bills which causes us to borrow $1,970,000,000 per day since September 28, 2007. In addition, we have a debt over $9,000,000,000,000; a gift we will past on to a future generation. What reason do we have to boast?

Proverbs 22:7. The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

Just as Jews won't be saved because they are Abraham's seed, Americans won't be saved because we may have the largest percentage of Christian per capital.

Before you continue to Boast of our Greatness above All other nations, remember that Sodom was destroyed not only for its sodomy, but for its PRIDE.

Ezekiel 16:49. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Did Egypt worship God or idols? Did babylon worship God idols? ?

Egypt & Babylon worshiped idols and so do many americans in that we are the most covetous people on the planet. Covetousness is Idolatry, this not my opinion, these are God's word:

Colossians 3:5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry

Brother, ANYTHING we place before God is idolatry. We (including you) need to worry less about Egypt, Babylon, Esau, Russia, Jacob, or John Doe and concentrate on ourselves.

:angel2:Seek humilty (God's will) not Pride (self will).:angel2:​

 

[Dr H..]

RB

God is referring to Israel ?Nation above all nations? not the United States, which did not exist during that time. The blessing ?nations? received via Abraham was Christ not material wealth.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal. 3:16

And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal. 3:29

That the blessing / promise continued through Abraham's son Isaac, and then through Isaac's son Jacob. God changed Jacob's name to Israel, and from his 12 sons began the 12 tribes of Israel, the Israelites.

One of Israel's 12 sons was Judah. From his name, his descendants became known as Jews. The Jews, the selected line through which a Savior (Jesus) would be born -
"The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until He comes to Whom it belongs (Jesus), and the obedience of the nations is His." (Genesis 49:10).

That?s the blessing and not this material wealth your are effectuated with.

?Head not the Tail? Det. 28:1-98 ?I have told you to stop picking one scripture ? you have to read 27 & 28 to understand what God is talking about.

Chapter 28 is about blessing that follows obedience:

Who is God talking to ? Israel
Location this took place: Mr. Gerizim
Condition to receive the blessings: 28:1-2

He (Moses) stated the supreme blessing, and the one that understand all those that follow, first: Israel could become the most exalted of all nations on the earth (head). The condition for this blessing was obedience to the Word of Yahweh. Moses said this three times in this chapter?at the beginning (v. 1), middle (v. 9), and end (13-14; 15, 45, 58, 62.

God would give His people (Israel) blessing everywhere, economically, with safety, and in all their activities (3-6). Then, began to elaborate on these blessings ( 7-14).

Note: There were only two groups of people (Jews and Gentiles).

If you understand what you are reading, you should observe that the entire chapter is composed or ?Promises? to Israel and not prophecies for other nations / countries.

Please explain how you are getting the ?United States or any other country out of Det. 28

I am enjoying this with RB, folks what you are reading is called "Prooftexing" and ole RB is good at it. BUt, we know God always have a ram in the bush.


Jag

Thanks, the only reason God has not totally distroyed this country is because there are a "few" trying to do right. That's similiar to what Moses asked of God, not to destroy Isreal (summary) there are a few that's trying to do right.


Ole RB

Got's some nerves to call me "ignorant" OMG. I know for a fact I could ask him to discuss topics such as:

What was the purpose of God creating the way He did.

The limited vocabulary of Adam

Baptism of Jesus

What was God doing before the creation.

Doctrine of the "Godhead, Salvation, Church, Man, Satan, Prophecy, Origination, Propitiation, Imputation, Regeneration .........)

Some of the things you post, reminds me of the JW and the 144.000. Like them, they do not understand that God was talking to Israel.

It has taken me years to get where I am with God's word. But, there is so much more to learn. That's why I said "If one preach John 3:16" and do it right, he would spend the remainder of his life preaching.

 

[illinijag]

I am enjoying this with RB, folks what you are reading is called "Proof Texing" and ole RB is good at it. BUt, we know God always have a ram in the bush.

I have never heard of such term. I place not judgment but this is what I Found

Facing the Proof Text Method by Henry Neufeld

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I suggest that the use of proof-texts is a manifestation of laziness and the desire to get something for nothing. People do not wish to spend the time firmly grounding their understanding in what various Bible writers actually teach. They would much rather have a short list of texts that support precisely what they have decided to believe anyhow. Thus, the use of proof-texts tends toward hypocrisy. To the uninformed, the purveyor of proof-texts can appear to be wonderfully informed and a deep scholar of the Bible. In fact, the result of reliance on proof-texts is a moral certainty and overbearing arrogance that is not supported by one's study or learning.

Click for Complete Article

:ebrow:interesting.....

 

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Have the government repented the Native Americans or having a dual Judicial / Education System "HBCU's are still funded less than PWC" why haven?t the government stepped in and said enough is enough. Having worked in Transportation, why do the white neighborhoods taken care of more so than the black neighborhoods. Why are there still black communities without sewer / water lines. The federal government can stop funding to a state, city or town, the question is why don't this (Christian Nation) make sure all citizens have the very basics to promote a healthy life. Canada and other countries provide universal health insurance (for all citizens) why don't the United States. They tell the Mexican's and others you need this and that to become a citizen or enter into the US. However, Europeans are coming and going as they please. Look at the Oklahoma Bombing, the first thing the government did was to point the finger at some blacks, then individuals from the Islamic Countries, when the bomber was "Lilly White" Did the government ever say "Black America / Islamic Countries" we were wrong.

If this country is so bad then why are they head and shoulders above all nations of the earth? I've traveled all over the world and there is no other nation more grand than America. Why? Why is that our military is more powerful than any military force on earth? Why is it that our struggling economy is far better than any heathen nation's steady economy on earth? Why is it that other countries claim idols and struggle but the Christian nations claim Christ and prosper?

You state that America is not a Christian nation however if that's the case then you're not a Christian. You are just as evil. You've become a partaker of their evil deeds and not only that, you pay taxes into this evil system. You're helping them cause more evil to the world and you won't stop. Why are you benefiting from an evil country? Why are you buying their homes? Why are you paying taxes to an evil government? You eat their food, attend their schools, and pay their taxes. Why? Why are you still living in this evil country in which you've already identified? I'll tell you why. It's because there is no other place you'd rather be on God's green earth. Do you even have the guts to leave? You talk a big game but won't pack one bag to leave this evil country.........HYPOCRITE!

 

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Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

What is a God fearing nation and how do God fearing people act?

Gen 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained [servants], born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued [them] unto Dan.

Gen 14:15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which [is] on the left hand of Damascus.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Why did Abraham kill people that didn't harm his nephew and why did God reward him for doing so? Was it right or wrong?

 

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What about this and why did God support it?

Gen 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.

Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac.

Gen 21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

 

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Why is Joshua threatening these God fearing people? Why is he not giving the people freedom to choose if they will serve God or not? What need is it to spy if God is on your side and knows everything? Is this right or wrong? Why did God make Joshua kill these people, destroy all their goods and take all their wealth? Is that not greed? Why are the priest of God participating in the war

Jos 1:18 Whosoever [he be] that doth rebel against thy commandment, and will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.

Jos 2:1 And Joshua the son of Nun sent out of ****tim two men to spy secretly, saying, Go view the land, even Jericho. And they went, and came into an harlot's house, named Rahab, and lodged there.

Jos 6:20 So the people shouted when [the priests] blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

Jos 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that [was] in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

Jos 6:24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that [was] therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

Jos 6:27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was [noised] throughout all the country.

 

[Dr H..]

"proof-texts is a manifestation of laziness and the desire to get something for nothing. People do not wish to spend the time firmly grounding their understanding in what various Bible writers actually teach

Well the shoe fits, wear it

Why is that our military is more powerful than any military force on earth?

Wrong. The most powerful military is China (period). If what you are saying is true, why did the United Stated invade North Korea after the US (Bush) accused them of making Nuclear weapons and threaten to invade them? The answer is China said "try it if you dare" RNK said "bring it on"

China vs. the US ? Military Manpower
China - 667,657,509 ? US 134,813,023

Personnel Fit for Military
China - 550,265,789? US 109,305,756

Average manpower available yearly
China - 25,848,582 ? US 4,180,074

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison_detail.asp

China?s Show of Force

http://www.globalfirepower.com/docs/china-military-strength-2008.pdf

Why is it that other countries claim idols and struggle but the Christian nations claim Christ and prosper?

What would you consider struggling?

China has the world?s largest gold reserve. Therefore, if they decided to flood the financial market with gold, it would totally destroy the US Economy. In fact the US ($65,890,000) is ranked 16, with China ($1,493,000,000), Japan, Russia, Taiwan, South Korea follows China.

Note:The United States is the largest importer of goods and third largest exporter and the world largest external debt (13,773,135 - millions) June 2007, the gross U.S. external debt was $12 trillion.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_gold_reserves.asp

The US is ranked number three behind Saudi Arabia and Russia in Oil Production.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_oil_prod.asp

The US (21,760,000,000) is ranked number eight with Saudi Arabia (266,800,000,000), Canada, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Russia and Libya leading way.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_oil_proven.asp

I find it interesting how (God) has blessed all of those ?so-called? heathen nations with natural resources / wealth beyond the available resources in the US. Based on your analogy of ?blessings? I would appear that the US is the heathens and China is the Christian Nation.

You state that America is not a Christian nation however if that's the case then you're not a Christian.

Negative, Saudi Arabia is Islamic. However there are Christians living in Saudi Arabia. Just as Russia is Communist, but you have Jews and Christians living there. Negative ?again? in Israel the majority practice Judaism, however there are Christians living in Israel, in fact Christianity roots are deeply imbedded in Judaism

?Christian Nation? meaning that one practice Christian principals. Yes. People go to church and proclaim to be Christians. However, if you examine the attitude, practices and beliefs of the United States (Individuals / Government) it does not fit the bible description of Christianity. How can this be so, if this country, continues to not right the injustice that continues daily, approving same sex marriages, homosexuality, discrimination ?education, housing, against minorities, feeding the poor and hungry, what about adequate health care and regulating businesses so they bleed the American like leeches / parasites etc). Most of these can be corrected on a Federal Lever, however has this happened.

I am benefiting ?because I live here? just a the average Joe living in Canada is benefiting form the resources in Canada.

Bro, sound like you are upset.

In the words of the Apostle Paul

?Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?? - Gal. 4:6

Why are you living in the Old Testament (for Israel not Christians) and not the New? The nation of Israel entered into a covenant with God. The conditions (Exodus 19 ? 24). God led the Israelites out of Egypt and then instructed Moses to speak to the Israelites at Mount Sinai. "if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." (Ex 19:5,6).

God promised the nation of Israel physical / material blessings only, on the condition that they keep their agreement with Him. There were no promises of eternal life or of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NT

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1, 2
The old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13)

Joshua did not have the right to give the people to choose. God gave them the right via Adam and Eve, which was handed down to mankind. Genesis 3:3

God gave Adam and Eve a right to decide to eat or not to eat of the tree in the mist of the garden. They made the decision to eat of the tree that God instructed them not to.

Question 1: Who made the decision to eat of the tree? Did they have the right ?not? to eat of the tree, they sure did.

1. God
2. Satan
3. Adam
4. Eve

Question 2: Did those you selected make the right decision? Yes or No.

But, Joshua did ?indirectly offered Israel the right to decide? read the story

?As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.? Joshua 24:15

God said

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Det. 30:19

Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:29 ? Peter and others decided to ?obey? that?s an independent decision made on their own.

Spying, God in many ways was testing Israel, to see it they would obey Him (decision) sometimes they did and many times they did not (decision). Plus, Israel / Hebrews were disorganized and needed direction from God as to how to accomplish certain things God wanted them to do.

Moses (decided) not to obey God when God directly told him to speak to the rock and Moses strike the rock (individual decision). Exodus 17:6

Abraham?s decision to slay Isaac (Genesis 22:1-14) Did Abraham have to obey God, absolutely not, but he did. In the heart of Abraham, Isaac was dead as a doornail, but God ?Had a Ram in the bush? (decision) to obey or not to obey.

 

[Da Slim One]

If this country is so bad then why are they head and shoulders above all nations of the earth? I've traveled all over the world and there is no other nation more grand than America. Why? Why is that our military is more powerful than any military force on earth? Why is it that our struggling economy is far better than any heathen nation's steady economy on earth? Why is it that other countries claim idols and struggle but the Christian nations claim Christ and prosper?

You state that America is not a Christian nation however if that's the case then you're not a Christian. You are just as evil. You've become a partaker of their evil deeds and not only that, you pay taxes into this evil system. You're helping them cause more evil to the world and you won't stop. Why are you benefiting from an evil country? Why are you buying their homes? Why are you paying taxes to an evil government? You eat their food, attend their schools, and pay their taxes. Why? Why are you still living in this evil country in which you've already identified? I'll tell you why. It's because there is no other place you'd rather be on God's green earth. Do you even have the guts to leave? You talk a big game but won't pack one bag to leave this evil country.........HYPOCRITE!

bruh, those are mighty strong words that you are throwing around. Correct me if I am wrong, but God specifically told us not to judge each other right?

My question to you is why are you dwelling in the Old Testament? Like Dr. H said, the OT was pre-Jesus and pretty much for the Israelites. It is the New Testament that we should use to order our steps in God's word. Not saying that the OT is not valid. Jesus came so that we no longer needed the "HIGH PRIEST", but of course you know that. We can go straight to God with our problems.

Yes God could be considered a warrior in the OT, yet at the same time in the NT he shows all kinds of mercy and grace.

I don't mind lively debates and discussions, but I would like for you to actually formulate your words without having to "proof texting"....I think that is what Dr. H called it. Like I have said before, anyone can go to the bible and find single scriptures to support a point, but as someone has already proven, a lot of times that one scripture is just a small piece of a broader picture.

 

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bruh, those are mighty strong words that you are throwing around. Correct me if I am wrong, but God specifically told us not to judge each other right?

My question to you is why are you dwelling in the Old Testament? Like Dr. H said, the OT was pre-Jesus and pretty much for the Israelites. It is the New Testament that we should use to order our steps in God's word. Not saying that the OT is not valid. Jesus came so that we no longer needed the "HIGH PRIEST", but of course you know that. We can go straight to God with our problems.

Yes God could be considered a warrior in the OT, yet at the same time in the NT he shows all kinds of mercy and grace.

I don't mind lively debates and discussions, but I would like for you to actually formulate your words without having to "proof texting"....I think that is what Dr. H called it. Like I have said before, anyone can go to the bible and find single scriptures to support a point, but as someone has already proven, a lot of times that one scripture is just a small piece of a broader picture.

I didn't judge him however I did use discernment. There is a difference between the two. We are instructed as Christians to mark and avoid those who differ from the word of God. The only way you can mark a person is by using discernment.

Yes God could be considered a warrior in the OT, yet at the same time in the NT he shows all kinds of mercy and grace.

This is where most Christians go wrong. You can't use the word "COULD" if the word of God states it as a fact. What you have to do is accept it, let it sink, and move on.

Secondly, I posted scripture stating the "NT" was written to confirm the "OT" and the new does not cancel the old. Why? They are the same. This is why Jesus stated think not that I am come to destroy the law, I come not to destroy law but to uphold it. This is also why Christ stated that if you have seen the son then you have seen the Father. What's my point? God showed plenty of grace and mercy in the "OT" but ignorant preachers don't preach it. God states that He never changes His ways and He will always stay the same. Don't be fooled by ignorant men.

 

[Dr H..]

bishop

It doesn?t bother me for RB to refer to me as a Hypocrite, not at all. It only proves that he has painted himself into a corner and cannot get out without stepping in the paint.

He ?ok? a little misguided at times, but he?s ?ok?and need to stop listening to his favorite preacher ?Arnold Murray? from Gravette Arkansas. Murray and his son read from the bible ? and they read very well? but there is no exegesis, behind their reading which allows individuals to draw the their own conclusion / private interpretation.

He?s glued to the OT, as if there is salvation in the OT.

 

[Dr H..]

Hold up RB

Secondly, I posted scripture stating the "NT" was written to confirm the "OT" and the new does not cancel the old. Why? They are the same.

They are not the same.

The OT (Covenant) was written strictly for the Jews, because Christianity did not come into existence until after the resurrection. There are several OT scriptures that state the covenant was between God and Israel. But we can use it to obtain a better understanding on how God operates with His people.

If they were the same, then you have to explain the following scriptures.
Notice how many times the word ?New? is used meaning that the Old is no longer valid.

Hebrews 8:6-9

But now He (Jesus) has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant (agreement), which has been enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers On the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; for they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not care for them, says the Lord.

In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away. Heb.8:13

Hebrews 9:12 ?

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Heb. 12:24

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament ; not of the letter (OT), but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Cor. 3:6

After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me. 1 Cor. 11:25

Paul in Galatians pointed out that the purpose of the law (OT) was NOT to justify (to declare one ?not guilty?), because ?the just shall live by faith (3:11).?


If what you are saying were true, there would have been a need for the Birth, Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ. The OT Laws would have been good enough to offer us salvation.


I am not going to discuss Matthew 5:17 ?

My questions to RB
What is the New Covenant / Testament the Book of Hebrew is referring to and what is the purpose of it.

Was Jesus referring to Himself when He said, "I came . . . to fulfill," or was he referring to His teaching? Did He fulfill the law or did His teaching fulfill it?

What's my point?

That?s a good question, because based on the scriptures posted, they do not support the idea or the OT and NT being the same.

What's my point?

That?s a good question, because based on the scriptures posted, and does not support the idea or the OT and NT being the same.


Whenever, you have the oil changed in you car, what do you do with the old oil, keep it in the car or throw it out. Why keep old in the engine if you are replacing it with new oil?

 

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Secondly, I posted scripture stating the "NT" was written to confirm the "OT" and the new does not cancel the old. Why? They are the same.

They are not the same. The OT (Covenant) was written strictly for the Jews, because Christianity did not come into existence until after the resurrection. There are several OT scriptures that state the covenant was between God and Israel. But we can use it to obtain a better understanding on how God operates with His people.

For the last time you are not God and your opinions have no value. The word clearly states they are the same and yet you say they aren't. Why are you lying?

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

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Again, listen to God's word and not ignorant preachers. Their day is coming and judgment starts at the pulpit.

 

[Dr H..]

RB

You said the Old Testament and New Testament are the same. If that?s true, what was the purpose of the Birth, Death and Resurrection of Jesus? If the New offered the same opportunity as the Old, then there would not have been a need for a New Covenant and that is clearly outlined in Hebrews.

Yes or No

If there is no difference between the old and new, then Jesus has not been born, and the resurrection has not taken place, would you agree with this.

Yes or No

If there is no difference between the old and new, then Jesus death was in vain and we are not saved?

Yes or No

In fact, the Old Covenant could only carry over ?sins? from year to year and the High Priest had to go before God and ask God to forgive them ?Israel?. Under the New Covenant we have direct assess to God via Jesus to ask forgiveness.

True or False

In the Old they sacrificed animals for the atonement of sins, why are we sacrificing animals today for the forgiveness of sins and going Jerusalem yearly. If the old was sufficent, shouldn't we be sacrificing animals for the atoinment of our sins and using the High Priest.

Yes or No

Did The Old Covenant did offer salvation to the Gentiles.

Yes or No

If they (OLd & New) are the same, why did God say that He would make a New Covenant house of Israel" and the "house of Judah? It would seem logical to keep the Old if nothing was going to change, would you agree?

Yes or No

The scriptures you quoted have nothing to do with your comment, supporting the idea that the Old and New Covenant are the same.

Is there a difference between the words Old and New

Yes or No

Does the Book of Hebrews teach there is a New Covenant / Agreement (Hebrews 8)?

Yes or No

Does Hebrews 8:13 teach - that Jesus made a "New Covenant and the old is oboselete"

Yes or No

Does Hebrews 1:1, 2 teach that God "in past times" spoke through individuals like Abraham and not Jesus has the final authority.

Yes or No

Who in the Old Testament did God make the covenant (agreement) with.

Hebrews (Israel)
Non-Hebrews

Without addessing your other scriptures, please be man enough to answer the questions above. By not answering them, you are admitting that your statement that the OT & NT are the same is incorrect and you need help in understanding the scriptures.

That's nothing to be ashamed of, we all need help.

 

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Without addessing your other scriptures, please be man enough to answer the questions above. By not answering them, you are admitting that your statement that the OT & NT are the same is incorrect and you need help in understanding the scriptures.

That's nothing to be ashamed of, we all need help.

Stop trying to discredit the word of God. You aint slick snake! The word of God clearly state they are the same. Again, I choose to listen to the word instead of a 10% know nothing brain power man, or a filthy rag. Whichever title you accept. This is nothing to be ashamed of because it's scripture. Be a man and accept it.

 

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The scriptures you quoted have nothing to do with your comment, supporting the idea that the Old and New Covenant are the same.[/color]

When you confirm something it stays the same. What part of that don't you understand? Why can't you comprehend basic sentence structure? If that's too hard for you then ask God for an elementary understanding. For example, if you reserve a hotel room and call back a week later to "CONFIRM" the original reservation, then it's still the same reservation. The confirmation did not take the place of the place of the original reservation nor did it restructure it. It stayed the same, however you guaranteed the original reservation by confirming it.

God states that He did not change the promises He made in the "OT", however He confirmed it with Christ. God does not change nor does He lower His standards for man. If you can't cut it, then there is a promised reservation for you in another place......that's biblical.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Dr H..]

Now you are trying to change what you initially said. You said the Old Testament and the New Testament was the same -Just answer the questions (period).

Are Christians required to sacrifice animals for the forgiveness of their sins and obey the Ceremonial Laws?

Why are you afraid to answer the questions?

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Now you are trying to change what you initially said. You said the Old Testament and the New Testament was the same -Just answer the questions (period).

Why are you afraid to answer the questions?

They are the same!!! I repeat they are the same!!! Can't you comprehend? The "OT" was "CONFIRMED" by the "NT". They are both the same and scripture states they are because it was "CONFIRMED" by Christ. God does not change, therefore His covenant did not change. It was "CONFIRMED" by Christ!

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Are Christians required to sacrifice animals for the forgiveness of their sins and obey the Ceremonial Laws?

Do you know the difference between an ordinance and a statute? Christ became the ultimate sacrifice, therefore we don't sacrifice animals. That was done away with when Christ sacrificed His body for all mankind. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice. I'm talking about the covenant that was promised by God in the "OT" and "CONFIRMED" by Christ in the "NT."

 

[Dr H..]

Just go and answer the questions Yes or No, that's all I am asking.

So are you are living under the guidelines of the old law / agreement / covenant?

Yes or No

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Just go and answer the questions Yes or No, that's all I am asking.

So are you are living under the guidelines of the old law / agreement / covenant?

Yes or No

Aren't the ten commandments from the "Old Testament?" Don't we as Christians follow the ten commandments from the "Old Testament?"

 

[Dr H..]

Aren't the ten commandments from the "Old Testament?" Don't we as Christians follow the ten commandments from the "Old Testament?"

I know the answer, do you?

Why should I asnwer your question, when you will not answer mine?

Do you know the difference between an ordinance and a statute? Christ became the ultimate sacrifice, therefore we don't sacrifice animals

But you said the OT and NT were the same, if that's true, therefore the laws did not change. Now, you are saying "quoted above" therefore, they ae not the same.

Now go back and answer the questions about Hebrews.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I know the answer, do you?

Why should I asnwer your question, when you will not answer mine?

Yes, we are suppose to follow the laws of the "Old Testament" as well as the law of the lands. No, we are not suppose to make a sacrifice to God because Christ became our sacrifice. Most of the ordinances and statutes were done away with when Christ became the sacrificed Lamb. I can't make it any more simple than I already have. We are still under the "Old Covenant" of God which was "CONFIRMED" by Christ. If you can't understand that then you should ask God for the understanding. Maybe that's why you don't understand simple scripture. Christ taught in the most simple way possible and yet men stumble at His simple teaching.