THE END TIMES PROPHECY!

[ROYAL BLUE]

Dude, go back and read my previous comments. I said the Russians were from Meshech and Tubal. Meshech and Tubal are decedents from Japheth.

Would you agree with this, now that requires a yes of no answer.


Negative, you said what you said. Besides, Christians and Christanity is not a "Nation" but a religious practice or belief.

Now go back and answer my questions...

The answer to question#1 is yes they are including Esau. They all come from Esau. All you have to do is trace their people and they will be traced back to Esau. Remember, Esau came out red and that's the color of his people. The Russians hold red dear to their heart and all you have to do is open your eyes and see for yourself. God did an excellent job helping us to identify the Russians. They hate God and God hates them. All of their people are not bad however their government is poison from top to bottom. God is going to destroy millions of them and their buddies with 150- 180lb hailstones. The entire world will witness this with their own eyes. This will happen when Christ return and He is coming with the wrath of God.

I meant what I stated by saying God's people are visible with the naked eye. You would have to be an idiot to not see the blessings of the Christian nations compared to the rest of the world. God meant what He said when He said that His people will be head of the world and yes, the Christian nations are the head in the world. Those who don't serve God are not blessed and neither does God bless those who don't serve Him. Are you that ignorant whereby you don't understand that God's people are the head in the world? This is visible for the world to see and yet people deny it in their ignorance. God's word doesn't lie and you shouldn't be that blind whereby you can't see truth and yet you live it everyday.

Name a country that is above America and the rest of the Christian nations. Where do they reside? I think you should go live in India, Africa, China or wherever you claim the people of God reside. It's ungrateful Christians like you that need a reality check. Go live over there since they are so blessed by God.

 

[Dr H..]

Read Genesis 25:25

?And the first (Esau) came out (born) red (admoniy ?red / ruddy) all over (entire body) like (se`ar {say-awr'}, ay-sawv, meaning rough, or hairy or sa`ar (Isa 7:20) {sah'-ar}, Usage in the bible is (hair, hairy, rough) the root word is sa`ar {saw-ar'}, which means storm or tempest, which is a Qal (perfect) meaning to sweep away / storm away. The (Hithpael) to storm against or come as a storm. ?a hairy garment; and they called his name Esau?

Esau came out looking like a ?red? hairy garment. The context of the scripture states ?like a hairy garment? the word ?hairy? qualifies the word ?hairy?, meaning that Easu was hairy like a garment and his hair was red. This only identifies a particular ?characteristic? of Esau.

Look at the word red (reddish)

Although (fraternal) twins, Jacob and Esau were different in appearance Esau was a "hairy / rough" while Jacob was a "smooth / less noticeable hair to the touch" (Genesis 27:11).

"Reddish" (Heb. 'admoni) is a play on words with "Edomites," Esau's descendants. Esau means "hairy one" (Heb. sa'ar, similar to "Seir," later the Edomites' perhaps wooded homeland). Jacob means "El will protect." The Hebrew ya'aqob ("Jacob") is similar to 'aqeb ("heel").

From Jacob's grasping Esau's heel at birth came the nickname "heelholder or "supplanter" " (one who outwits by trickery) ?just as in wrestling an attempt made to throw the opponent by grasping the heel?

Since you agree with my statement about Russia ?Meshech and Tubal?, which are the decedents of Japheth.

Do you agree with this according to the bible? This question can be answered only yes or no.

Noah had three sons ? Yes or No (Shem, Ham and of Japheth)

Are Shem (Hebrew) and Japheth (Gentile) the same person?

If the answer is ?no? therefore, Esau cannot be of Japheth (Russia). Esau has to be of Shem because of his parents and grandparent. It this is true, the only other conclusion, it that the United States has no relationship with Jacob. Because Magog (one of Japheth?s sons) the ?Father? of the Europeans, which settled the United States.

How are you using the word blessed?

It's ungrateful Christians like you that need a reality check. Go live over there since they are so blessed by God.

Negative, you are just upset because I called you out (time and time again) and has proven over and over again that you are ignorant (that?s not a bad word ? just uninformed) when it comes to understanding God?s word.


Speaking of Strong?s that?s where you and I differ, you are beginning to nurse the milk of Strong?s. Whereas I have chewed up Strongs and I am feasting of off ?Qal, Niphal, Pual and Hithpael?

 

[illinijag]

Ok, I am getting lost in all of the rhetoric.

Join the club, those who agree with you are as numerous as Abraham's seed (Genesis 15:5).

I have one question. Now I am no theolgian, but I do recall that when Jacob returned home his brother Esau had forgiven him and ran out to meet and embrace Jacob.....Ismeal.

Could you reframe your question?

I don't understand the reference of Ismeal in your statement. If you meant Ishmael (Genesis 16) , he was Abraham's first son born from his wife's servant Hagar. Ishmael would be Jacob and Esau's uncle, the Bible reference no encounter of the three.

:read:I encourage you to read Genesis 16 or the whole book, it is extremely interesting.:read:

Good day and God Bless

 

[Da Slim One]

Join the club, those who agree with you are as numerous as Abraham's seed (Genesis 15:5).



Could you reframe your question?

I don't understand the reference of Ismeal in your statement. If you meant Ishmael (Genesis 16) , he was Abraham's first son born from his wife's servant Hagar. Ishmael would be Jacob and Esau's uncle, the Bible reference no encounter of the three.

:read:I encourage you to read Genesis 16 or the whole book, it is extremely interesting.:read:

Good day and God Bless

Ok, like I said I am no expert. When I said that I was getting lost in all of the rhetoric, I meant the constant back and forth of this thread.

As for Jacob......my memory of the story may be a bit rusty, but I thought that Ishmeal was the name given to Jacob after he wrestled the Angel. I may be mistaken and it was Isreal.

Anyway, this thread is pointless to me because it seems as if some are trying to hard to paint the picture of Christ's return. The bible is pretty clear on what we should be doing as a people (Christians). I am not trying to figure who is who. All that I a know is that we are directed to be watchful as the signs would be clear and evident.

 

[Dr H..]

Anyway, this thread is pointless to me because it seems as if some are trying to hard to paint the picture of Christ's return

This thread floats from one Genesis to Revelation. Now we in Genesis discussing Esau, Russia and Jacob, the United States.

 

[illinijag]

As for Jacob......my memory of the story may be a bit rusty, but I thought that Ishmeal was the name given to Jacob after he wrestled the Angel. I may be mistaken and it was Isreal..

You are correct, Jacob name was changed to Isreal after he wrestled with an Angel (Genesis 32:24-28).

Anyway, this thread is pointless to me because it seems as if some are trying to hard to paint the picture of Christ's return. The bible is pretty clear on what we should be doing as a people (Christians). I am not trying to figure who is who. All that I a know is that we are directed to be watchful as the signs would be clear and evident.

Woe, I can neither confirm or deny that you are an expert. However, based on your statement, you show no lack of wisdom. I do agree, if we first know Jesus (repent and accept him as lord and saviour), the wars and events that will occur in the future will have no effect on those who belong to Christ (his elect).

Also, there is much to glean in from this thread in the matter of Biblical interpretation (the right and wrong way to interpret scripture). The most important principal of Biblical Study is Sound Doctrine (stripture/the Bible). One can come up with many ideas or assumptions, if it is not founded in scripture/the Bible, it is Just "An Assumption". Assumptions has no value and tend to lead to long fruitless discussions, in the end, really has no value. The Bible warns us of such:

1 Timothy 1:4. Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

And the Bible encourage us to:

Romans 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

Good day and God Bless

 

[Da Slim One]

You are correct, Jacob name was changed to Isreal after he wrestled with an Angel (Genesis 32:24-28).



Woe, I can neither confirm or deny that you are an expert. However, based on your statement, you show no lack of wisdom. I do agree, if we first know Jesus (repent and accept him as lord and saviour), the wars and events that will occur in the future will have no effect on those who belong to Christ (his elect).

Also, there is much to glean in from this thread in the matter of Biblical interpretation (the right and wrong way to interpret scripture). The most important principal of Biblical Study is Sound Doctrine (stripture/the Bible). One can come up with many ideas or assumptions, if it is not founded in scripture/the Bible, it is Just "An Assumption". Assumptions has no value and tend to lead to long fruitless discussions, in the end, really has no value. The Bible warns us of such:

1 Timothy 1:4. Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

And the Bible encourage us to:

Romans 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

Good day and God Bless

I will be the first to admit that I don't read my bible like I should, but that is something that I am working on. I am learning about the need to set aside 5, 10, 30 mins or so the dive into the word. Which brings me to this.....I have seen people posting scripture to support their thoughts and to prove that they know the bible. This makes me think back to what a pastor once told me...."...anyone can read the bible and recite scripture. Heck, the Devil even knows the bible inside and out, so knowing it and living it are two different things."

I have seen where certain folks are using the bible to state their political support. Which I don't understand either. Why? Because politicians have proven time and time again that they don't always live up to the stances that they take during and election. Too me, if you are basing your whole support of a candidate off of which one seems the most holier, then that tells me that you are not that well informed. Based on my religious beliefs, I do not support abortion, stem-cell research, homosexuality, and other things. However, I do know that my beliefs are not the only issues that we are faced with as a country. No politician will ever be able to satisfy 100% of the people 100% of the time. So I would much rather see someone making decisions that is willing to reach a middle ground with everyone. Sorry for getting off on a tangent.

...back to this topic, as Christians, we are constantly getting ourselves in trouble trying to interpret the bible and God's intent. The way I see it, God's intent is exactly whats in black and white in the bible.

 

[Dr H..]

RB

I really have to laugh at you, because I checked out the link you provided concerning Russia. Even so, you mentioned that Esau (Russia), however the article you paraphrased from, does not mention Esau or Jacob. However, it mentions exactly what I have been saying, that being the Russians are decedents from Japheth via Tubal and Meschech.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I have seen where certain folks are using the bible to state their political support. Which I don't understand either. Why? Because politicians have proven time and time again that they don't always live up to the stances that they take during and election. Too me, if you are basing your whole support of a candidate off of which one seems the most holier, then that tells me that you are not that well informed. Based on my religious beliefs, I do not support abortion, stem-cell research, homosexuality, and other things. However, I do know that my beliefs are not the only issues that we are faced with as a country. No politician will ever be able to satisfy 100% of the people 100% of the time. So I would much rather see someone making decisions that is willing to reach a middle ground with everyone. Sorry for getting off on a tangent.

Drive a man away from the ways of God and that man is well on his way to self destruction.......that's Satan's plan. Satan loves to take the word and twist it whereby you don't know if it's true or false. God is not going to punish you for a failed education policy, economics policy, health care policy and etc. God wants to know who loves Him enough to protect the things that God holds dear to His heart, not what man holds dear to his heart. You have to put God first and He will take care of our needs such as the economy, education, health care and etc. The best thing a politician can do for the people is to tell them to depend on God and not man. If we take care of God then God will take care of us........that simple.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

RB

I really have to laugh at you, because I checked out the link you provided concerning Russia. Even so, you mentioned that Esau (Russia), however the article you paraphrased from, does not mention Esau or Jacob. However, it mentions exactly what I have been saying, that being the Russians are decedents from Japheth via Tubal and Meschech.

I've learned to accept that you're too ignorant to know truth when you see it with your own eyes, however a day is coming and I pray God will allow me to see your face when the truth is made known. I will hold my ground and hold dear to that truth in which God stated in "Gen and Deut." I choose to listen to God instead of a filthy rag such as you. I don't listen to men however I do encourage men to listen to God only. BTW, filthy rag is not a bad word because that's what you are......that's biblical.


Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe [and] to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do [them]:

Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

 

[Dr H..]

RB

I have made an offer for you to meet me face to face, however you failed to make your presence know (at church). However, the point is, you failed to make the connection on ?David returning to earth to rule with Christ (Christ don?t need David) and now you attempted to twits the scriptures by attempting to make a connection between Esau (Russia) and Jacob (United States) and I called you out, not to embarrass or insult you. But to show you that everything you read on the web or from YT is not sound doctrine of biblical. And if you are going to understand the bible, it takes time an d you have to study and research in the original language, understand customs and traditions, symbolism and other methods of study.

To say because Russia ?likes? the color red, therefore they are associated with Esau, is insane. That would like saying because Jacob has ?smooth skin or hairless? that mean Jacob is associated with the American Indians, because they have smooth skin. Or because a man is left handed, he is of the tribe of Benjamin.

Here the link you supplied, go and read it for yourself and tell me if it mention Esau (Russia) or Jacob (United States). What I have done is to take the information you provided and proved that you were (ignorant / failed to understand) of the context of the writings or perhaps you did not understand the context.

http://www.cogwriter.com/russia_in_prophecy.htm

However, this only supports what I mentioned in a previous post, that God, instructed Japheth to go and what I previously mentioned.

By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations, Genesis 10:5. Gentiles are the decedents (Romans, Greeks, Germans, Spaniards etc) of Japheth. All you have to do is read the NT from Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Thessalonians. These folks were heathens and gentiles and I understand why God sent them packing out of the "Land of Ham"

I could call you out on the Pillar / Stone of Jacob, but I will not (maybe just a little). ?According? to the ?Irish / Scotland folklore? one of the Kings of England stole the stone from them. So if this is true, the David?s (Throne) is in Ireland or Scotland, not England.

If you have an opportunity read Hedodotus

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I have made an offer for you to meet me face to face, however you failed to make your presence know (at church).

You invited me to your church and I kept my word and attended service, however you did not offer to meet me face to face......don't lie. If meeting me is what you ask then that can be arranged.

As for Jacob and Esau being the United States and Russia. I stand by my research tracing the Russians back to Esau. Do your homework. No man can take away the verses below because God has truly blessed the Christian nations for the world to see, but man is too ignorant to see it with their own eyes. It doesn't take a scholar to see America and the Christian nations in the verses below unless you're an idiot.......a complete idiot. Again, the truth will be known when Christ return to earth. There is no need for me to argue with you when Christ will make it known upon His return.

Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe [and] to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do [them]:

 

[Dr H..]

So you attended "Church" ok, what Sunday was there a reason you did not find me and introduce yourself, which would have been the most reasonable thing to do. By introducing yourself, that would have brought us "face to face"

You could have asked anyone where is Bill and they would have pointed me out. In fact, if you attended services, more than likely I was on program and would have been easily seen and to find.

In a humble spirit

Please don?t take this personal it?s all about ?Christ? and not us. I am about spreading the gospel. And ?trust me? if I am in a discussion and someone make flawed statements concerning the gospel ?you can bet your last red cent? I will question their source and correct them if necessary and I expect the same, if I post or say something contrary to the scriptures.

There was no research on your part, because the information was taken in part from a web site you (not me) attached. If it was, then you would not have posted such poppycock ?Esau (Russia) and Jacob (United States). You would have posted ?David will return with Christ to rule? I simply asked you for scripture to support your comment, and you could not. I asked you to post the source of your information and ?you did? however, you subtracted bits and pieces in an attempt to validate your point.

Was that asking too much?

You freely agreed with me on the decedents of Japheth. Then turn around and continued to make an attempt say (Esau ?Russia?). What sense does that make, ether you agree or you do not. You are reminding me of Agrippa

Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. Acts 26:28. Agrippa is a Christian or he is not there is no ?walking the line?

This is how far off you are

Genesis 35:11 ('kings of peoples will come from her'), the mention is made of royalty ('kings,' v. 11) in the promised line. Meaning the kings of Israel (Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Hosea, Ahab etc), we know this because God is talking to Jacob / Israel.

Under your fallacy you are thinking that this includes / mean the United States.

 

[Da Slim One]

Drive a man away from the ways of God and that man is well on his way to self destruction.......that's Satan's plan. Satan loves to take the word and twist it whereby you don't know if it's true or false. God is not going to punish you for a failed education policy, economics policy, health care policy and etc. God wants to know who loves Him enough to protect the things that God holds dear to His heart, not what man holds dear to his heart. You have to put God first and He will take care of our needs such as the economy, education, health care and etc. The best thing a politician can do for the people is to tell them to depend on God and not man. If we take care of God then God will take care of us........that simple.

Whoa cousin.....don't start preaching at me. The bible also tells us that we have the resposibility of obeying his laws as well as the laws of the land. Now we all know that this country was built on the principles of a lot of personal freedoms. I don't agree with a lot of laws that we have, but I honestly believe that some of them are due to the inaction of Christians (i.e. abortion, gay rights, etc). For years, Christians ASSUMED that because we were founded on Christian principles, then we would always be led by them. Obviously we see other wise today.

Now fast forward to today, and now we see the fruits of our laziness and inactive approach. Too many Christian think that we are just going to up and start preaching AT folks and make them walk straight and return this nation to God. Well I am here to tell ya that its not going to happen that way. Christianity is not a religion, but a lifestyle, and too many holier than thou Christians are spending way too much time on their soapboxes condemning others for the way they live their life but aren't living right themselves. People will not come to God because you tell them too, and you quote scriptures from the bible. They will come to know by how you walk with him. When we walk with God how he wants us to, then the non-believers will be attracted to us like moths to a flame. Follow Jesus in the New Testament, he never preached AT anyone, yet every where that he went the masses followed...because there was something about him.

I said all of that to say, STOP PREACHING AT FOLKS AND JUST WALK WITH GOD, IF YOU DO THEN THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU. We, as Christians tend to be too judgemental of others. Condemning folks and passing judgements on others because of a candidate that they choose to support. SERIOUSLY. Yeah Obama is a pretty liberal guy, but I distinctly remember that "W" ran on just how Christian he was (to appeal to the religious), and yet nothing in his tenure seems to reflect that declaration. Just as the Jews are in denial of who Jesus really is, Christians too tend to think we are the judge and jury when it comes to moral issues. We can even take the TSPN forums for an example....in other forums folks post all kinds of crazy and suggestive things then come to this board and all of a sudden are teh relgious and moral authority.

 

[Dr H..]

This ideology of the United States was founded on Christian Ethics need to be re-examined. I don?t think most realize the a majority of those from England were common criminals and the King of England cleared out the dungeons of England and gave them a free ticket on the Mayflower.

If one examined the religious beliefs of the framers of the Constitution, they may be surprise, just to examine a few:

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."

Ben Franklin

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

?Christianity is the most perverted system ever shone to man.?
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." - letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774

T. Jefferson

"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."

John Adams

The question that has to be asked "What is a Christian"

Would a Christian Nation - Infest blankets with small pox and distribute them the the Native Americans.

Would a Christian Nation, say blacks is less than animals, no more than property ans is less than a third of a man.

Would a Christian Nation - Endorse homosexuality, tolerate pornography, same sex marriages, endorse gambling and houses of prostitutes, etc.

This nation, is based on greed and that's why it is in the ecomomic condition it's in.

God in the OT warned Israel about depending on / worshipping the riches of the world.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

The question that has to be asked "What is a Christian"

Would a Christian Nation - Infest blankets with small pox and distribute them the the Native Americans.

Would a Christian Nation, say blacks is less than animals, no more than property ans is less than a third of a man.

Would a Christian Nation - Endorse homosexuality, tolerate pornography, same sex marriages, endorse gambling and houses of prostitutes, etc.

This nation, is based on greed and that's why it is in the ecomomic condition it's in.

God in the OT warned Israel about depending on / worshipping the riches of the world.

These things you speak of is nothing new. Do I need to put David's history on here or should I post Joshua's? How about Zedekiah or what about Paul? If you want to know what God's people are really like I can show you and as a matter of fact, I'll let God tell you with His own words.

Deu 9:12 And the LORD said unto me, Arise, get thee down quickly from hence; for thy people which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt have corrupted [themselves]; they are quickly turned aside out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten image.

Deu 9:13 Furthermore the LORD spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it [is] a stiffnecked people:

Deu 9:14 Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

.........Deu 31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

Deu 31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

.......Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy [you].

Jdg 2:14 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies.

Jdg 3:8 Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years.

Jdg 4:2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host [was] Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.

Jdg 10:7 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hands of the Philistines, and into the hands of the children of Ammon.

1Sa 12:9 And when they forgat the LORD their God, he sold them into the hand of Sisera, captain of the host of Hazor, and into the hand of the Philistines, and into the hand of the king of Moab, and they fought against them.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Dr H,

I think I'm quite capable of identifying who they are and how they act. God's people are turning on Him again and God will soon turn them over to Satan for a whippin they will never forget. God has a history of chastising His people by selling them to the enemy. God never change His ways and these are ensamples of what shall come very soon, but worse than ever before.

 

[illinijag]

1. Acts 11:26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
   
2. Acts 26:28. Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
   
3. 1 Peter 4:16. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this

Giving the large multitude that claim to be Christians and our country which claims to be a Christian nation, one would be surprise to know that the word Christian is only used three times in scripture. Like many other terms, that are use to describe what is good, Satan has hi-jack the term "Christian" for general use. During the early Church, the term Christian was given to those that truly followed Christ (his disciples); to be called a Christian would potentially result in punishment up to and including death. Given such ramification, there were little false Christians. So if we wish to determine if a nation is a True Christian Nation, such can only be determine by a single qualification: Are those who profess to be Christians, also Disciples of Christ?

True Christians are Christ disciples. Christ disciples are discipline people who follow God's will. Such should possess the following characteristics:

• John 13:35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
  [*]John 15:8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Unless God say "the USA is a Christian Nation", I see little evidence to make such claim. However, I made the effort to be a Christian and I've left God to deal with the status of the nation. For me to imply or state that the USA is a Christian Nation is not only above my paid grade, it is not a command given to me (or us) by God.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

1. Acts 11:26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
   
2. Acts 26:28. Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
   
3. 1 Peter 4:16. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this

Giving the large multitude that claim to be Christians and our country which claims to be a Christian nation, one would be surprise to know that the word Christian is only used three times in scripture. Like many other terms, that are use to describe what is good, Satan has hi-jack the term "Christian" for general use. During the early Church, the term Christian was given to those that truly followed Christ (his disciples); to be called a Christian would potentially result in punishment up to and including death. Given such ramification, there were little false Christians. So if we wish to determine if a nation is a True Christian Nation, such can only be determine by a single qualification: Are those who profess to be Christians, also Disciples of Christ?

True Christians are Christ disciples. Christ disciples are discipline people who follow God's will. Such should possess the following characteristics:

• John 13:35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
  [*]John 15:8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Unless God say "the USA is a Christian Nation", I see little evidence to make such claim. However, I made the effort to be a Christian and I've left God to deal with the status of the nation. For me to imply or state that the USA is a Christian Nation is not only above my paid grade, it is not a command given to me (or us) by God.

.....and it never crossed your mind that the only nations who claim to be Christian nations fit the scriptures below? Don't allow Satan to rob you of truth when you see it with your own eyes. How can God not mention the most powerful nations on earth in the end times? He did mention them but not everyone can see this hidden mystery because its not meant for everybody to know. This is why God calls them the ten lost tribes because they don't even know who they are but God knows them. The easiest way to identify God's people is by scriptures in the next post. You can't argue this. Think about it!

 

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Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe [and] to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do [them]:

Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

 

[Dr H..]

RB

We are not speaking of David or Israel. My point is that you continue to place emphasis on (Christian Nations and the foundation ?Christianity?) it was allegedly founded on. But we know this country was already established before the Europeans arrived.

When you study the background of the so-called ?forefathers? you will find they are not as christianized as they appear to individuals proclaimed to be.

Jefferson had the nerves to ?make an attempt to re-write? the bible, by removing the doctrine of Jesus and removing sections of the New Testament that highlighted the miracles performed by Jesus and the Apostles to suit his own ignorance, it?s called the Jefferson Bible (go and read it).

Don?t forget those mentioned were godly enough to recognize their wrongs and repent. What have this nation "repented of"

Have the government repented the Native Americans or having a dual Judicial / Education System "HBCU's are still funded less than PWC" why haven?t the government stepped in and said enough is enough. Having worked in Transportation, why do the white neighborhoods taken care of more so than the black neighborhoods. Why are there still black communities without sewer / water lines. The federal government can stop funding to a state, city or town, the question is why don't this (Christian Nation) make sure all citizens have the very basics to promote a healthy life. Canada and other countries provide universal health insurance (for all citizens) why don't the United States. They tell the Mexican's and others you need this and that to become a citizen or enter into the US. However, Europeans are coming and going as they please. Look at the Oklahoma Bombing, the first thing the government did was to point the finger at some blacks, then individuals from the Islamic Countries, when the bomber was "Lilly White" Did the government ever say "Black America / Islamic Countries" we were wrong.

God?s people are not turning against Him, what people are you speaking of?

The fact is individuals ?say? they know of God, but they do not know him (do I need to explain that). People only use God as a crutch to satisfy their own motives. That?s why he will tell some ?depart from me I never knew you? that mean knowing individuals spiritually, which is a reflection of the way individuals live their lives.

Unless God say "the USA is a Christian Nation", I see little evidence to make such claim.

Great Statement

Sometimes / most of the time individuals like RB ?think? because of the material wealth of this country and a few others around the globe they are a ?Christian Nation? while not realizing that this material wealth could be a curse. If one would examine the history and continuing decisions made in this country and others. They will find that and other countries are on the brink of destruction filled with greed. And often times when this happens, they invade other nations.

RB, please explain why you did not introduce yourself, before or after church services. Did you meet the preacher or any of the other members?

 

[illinijag]

.....and it never crossed your mind that the only nations who claim to be Christian nations fit the scriptures below? Don't allow Satan to rob you of truth when you see it with your own eyes. How can God not mention the most powerful nations on earth in the end times? He did mention them but not everyone can see this hidden mystery because its not meant for everybody to know. This is why God calls them the ten lost tribes because they don't even know who they are but God knows them. The easiest way to identify God's people is by scriptures in the next post. You can't argue this. Think about it!

Matthew 5:45. That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Babylon was once the prized nation of the world. When a remnant of God's people were taken there in exile, God rained blessings down on Babylon that effected both His people and the heathens.

Egypt obtained massive wealth during the leadership of Joseph which blessed both Jacob's family and Pharoh. God rained blessings down on Egypt that effected both His people and the heathens.

Based on the above, if we consider your (Mr. Royal Blue) logic, we could assume that Babylon and Egypt were Christian/Holy nations. Dr. H.. presented some excellent poling data in the past that suggest even the minor claim that we are a Christian Nation, seem ludicrous. If we are called a Christian Nation base on the fact that we have the largest percentage of Christians per capital, such means little, given the fact that we will be judge as individuals before Christ not as a nation.

Ponder this:

1 Corinthians 7:14. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

This scripture reflects a mixed family with at least one believing parent. God rain blessings on the family because of one believing parent. The family as a whole has no claim to be a Christian Family. Just because man claim to be a Christian or a nation claim to be a Christian Nation, such means nothing to God.

 

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Matthew 5:45. That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Babylon was once the prized nation of the world. When a remnant of God's people were taken there in exile, God rained blessings down on Babylon that effected both His people and the heathens.

Egypt obtained massive wealth during the leadership of Joseph which blessed both Jacob's family and Pharoh. God rained blessings down on Egypt that effected both His people and the heathens.

Based on the above, if we consider your (Mr. Royal Blue) logic, we could assume that Babylon and Egypt were Christian/Holy nations. Dr. H.. presented some excellent poling data in the past that suggest even the minor claim that we are a Christian Nation, seem ludicrous. If we are called a Christian Nation base on the fact that we have the largest percentage of Christians per capital, such means little, given the fact that we will be judge as individuals before Christ not as a nation.

Ponder this:

1 Corinthians 7:14. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

This scripture reflects a mixed family with at least one believing parent. God rain blessings on the family because of one believing parent. The family as a whole has no claim to be a Christian Family. Just because man claim to be a Christian or a nation claim to be a Christian Nation, such means nothing to God.

Did Egypt worship God or idols? Did babylon worship God idols? Based on you and Dr. H's logic God is a liar. You guys are saying their is no nation above all nations of the earth who claim to be God's people. There is no nation that God Himself stated He would make the head and never the tail. Why are you guys calling God a liar?