Teacher drags HEADSTAR child down the hallway

[chocalate_topaz]

Y'all, the don't give a shit about our kids starts early. Where the hell does anyone think this is cool to drag a 3-5 year old kid down a nasty ass hallway as acceptable? No where. These folks are not educating children...they are just getting a check and mistreating. Time to home school, create school consortiums.....we have to take the educating of our kids from those who don't look like us...

Anybody on here home school?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/de9570b5-1726-30ab-a3b7-66ef7f588d4d/ss_ohio-teacher-fired-for.html

Teacher Fired for Dragging Student Down Hallway at Ohio School

 

[number1]

So we take the small percentage of folks who do crazy stuff like this and have that represent the entire teaching profession? There are several parents that abuse and neglect their children, does that mean that we should assume that every parent is like that and move to sending children to boarding schools because of that assumption?

 

[chocalate_topaz]

So we take the small percentage of folks who do crazy stuff like this and have that represent the entire teaching profession? There are several parents that abuse and neglect their children, does that mean that we should assume that every parent is like that and move to sending children to boarding schools because of that assumption?

The incidences are becoming more common and like the police, are publicized because of cameras. How many times did it occur off camera? A few black people do things and the entire race is stigmatized...

Laws are changed from the actions of a few...
Towns/villages/lives have been decimated from the actions of a few...
So you tell me....are we a people that tends to allow the actions of a few to make policy for the majority??

 

[number1]

The incidences are becoming more common and like the police, are publicized because of cameras. How many times did it occur off camera? A few black people do things and the entire race is stigmatized...

Laws are changed from the actions of a few...
Towns/villages/lives have been decimated from the actions of a few...
So you tell me....are we a people that tends to allow the actions of a few to make policy for the majority??

So that means parents shouldn't be allowed to raise their children either since so many have been found to abuse and neglect them too right?

 

[chocalate_topaz]

Laws have been changed to make it a lot harder...due to the actions of a few. No spanking in public because...some parent took it too far and abused theirs when they did.

 

[number1]

Corporal punishment has been taken out of public schools, plus a teacher can't even look at or talk to a student a certain way without being accused of intimidation or abuse. Try to break up a fight, and you'll be sued for making contact with a student and potentially causing harm. Policies have definitely changed in the public school sector.

 

[Herbert77060]

Corporal punishment has been taken out of public schools, plus a teacher can't even look at or talk to a student a certain way without being accused of intimidation or abuse. Try to break up a fight, and you'll be sued for making contact with a student and potentially causing harm. Policies have definitely changed in the public school sector.

Corporal punishment was taken out of schools because white folk did not want Black folk disciplining their children.

 

[Kendrick]

Corporal punishment has been taken out of public schools, plus a teacher can't even look at or talk to a student a certain way without being accused of intimidation or abuse. Try to break up a fight, and you'll be sued for making contact with a student and potentially causing harm. Policies have definitely changed in the public school sector.

While that might be a reality, the Department of Education data indicates that black students -- particularly boys -- are disproportionately subjected to harsher punishments than any other racial group.

They're more likely to be expelled, suspended, placed in in-school arrest and have law enforcement called than white students. Disabled black students are more likely to be placed in restraints than white students.

We've seen videos of black students being physically assaulted by either teachers, school administrators or even school security and police officers.

CT is right. These aren't just a few bad apples. This is systemic behavior.

 

[number1]

While that might be a reality, the Department of Education data indicates that black students -- particularly boys -- are disproportionately subjected to harsher punishments than any other racial group.

They're more likely to be expelled, suspended, placed in in-school arrest and have law enforcement called than white students. Disabled black students are more likely to be placed in restraints than white students.

We've seen videos of black students being physically assaulted by either teachers, school administrators or even school security and police officers.

CT is right. These aren't just a few bad apples. This is systemic behavior.

I think I have a different view of this stuff because I'm actually in the classroom and not on the outside looking in. I can't speak for the racially diverse schools, but I am definitely not surprised about the suspensions/expulsions of students. It's easy to say on the outside that schools are too harsh with students, but you have to see the behaviors of some of these students in person to believe it. I teach at a majority black school, and I fully support suspending or expelling those students that display behaviors that warrant those punishments. I don't know what goes on at the majority white or racially-diverse schools, but I know my school uses suspensions and expulsions as a last resort, sometimes to the detriment of the other students on campus. Schools have things called PBIS and Restorative Justice that makes suspensions and expulsions last options for misbehaving students. So instead of suspending a student that said, "F--- you" to a teacher, the principal would talk to them and make them apologize to the teacher either verbally or written. Instead of suspending them for starting a food fight, they would make them clean the entire cafeteria and possibly pick up trash around the school.


There's a particular group of children (including those of other races) that have to be placed in some sort of alternative setting complete with counseling and mentoring because some students just can't function in a large classroom setting without causing major disruptions. That's probably the best way to try and steer these children back into the right direction. I would love for the Department of Education to do a study on the involvement of parents in school and how it correlates with the number of discipline issues at the school.

Also we've also seen videos of black, white, and hispanic students assaulting teachers, each other, school administrators, or even school security and police officers as well. Remember hindsight is 20/20. I've seen classroom fights where the teacher steps back and calls the office for help, and people get made because the teacher didn't step in between the blows to break up the students. I've also seen fights where the teacher gets physically involved to stop the fight, and gets criticized for being too rough with the students and not waiting for help to arrive. Folks can't have it both ways.

I truly believe teaching and being a police officer are the hardest jobs due to all of the scrutiny.

 

[s phi s]

I think I have a different view of this stuff because I'm actually in the classroom and not on the outside looking in. I can't speak for the racially diverse schools, but I am definitely not surprised about the suspensions/expulsions of students. It's easy to say on the outside that schools are too harsh with students, but you have to see the behaviors of some of these students in person to believe it. I teach at a majority black school, and I fully support suspending or expelling those students that display behaviors that warrant those punishments. I don't know what goes on at the majority white or racially-diverse schools, but I know my school uses suspensions and expulsions as a last resort, sometimes to the detriment of the other students on campus. Schools have things called PBIS and Restorative Justice that makes suspensions and expulsions last options for misbehaving students. So instead of suspending a student that said, "F--- you" to a teacher, the principal would talk to them and make them apologize to the teacher either verbally or written. Instead of suspending them for starting a food fight, they would make them clean the entire cafeteria and possibly pick up trash around the school.


There's a particular group of children (including those of other races) that have to be placed in some sort of alternative setting complete with counseling and mentoring because some students just can't function in a large classroom setting without causing major disruptions. That's probably the best way to try and steer these children back into the right direction. I would love for the Department of Education to do a study on the involvement of parents in school and how it correlates with the number of discipline issues at the school.

Also we've also seen videos of black, white, and hispanic students assaulting teachers, each other, school administrators, or even school security and police officers as well. Remember hindsight is 20/20. I've seen classroom fights where the teacher steps back and calls the office for help, and people get made because the teacher didn't step in between the blows to break up the students. I've also seen fights where the teacher gets physically involved to stop the fight, and gets criticized for being too rough with the students and not waiting for help to arrive. Folks can't have it both ways.

I truly believe teaching and being a police officer are the hardest jobs due to all of the scrutiny.

I have the same mindset. I was in the classroom for 7 years. I am now in law enforcement. While there is SOME truth to what people believe about both professions, it's a completely different view from the inside out. People never see the lead up, only the end result.

 

[chocalate_topaz]

I'm in the classroom now on the college level, and I get to see the results of these schools. The poor education THEY feel they received...the statements esp about their white teachers not really wanting to include them...having to constantly call them on their bullshit. I do think its a systemic issue to undereducate black children. And let's be honest, for more and more black people, their subconscious predjudices allow them to feel its okay to treat their own children like prisoners and not blink an eye. They too are okay with no second changes, he had it coming statements, they never give a "let the kids play" and "this is normal behavior, no big deal I see"....

I won't change my stance. It's time for black people to home school, create education consortiums to push their kids higher than where they are now.

 

[s phi s]

Here is one thing I will say. There are LOTS of teachers, both black and white, who have NO BUSINESS in the classroom. They have NO classroom control, NO rapport with students, and NO real method to what they do. That's the beginning of some of the behavior that ends up getting some kids caught up. They are bored in class. Now, I will also say this....I think Texas has the right idea. Up until about 4 years ago, kids could be written citations for disrupting class, fighting, and other common youthful actions. This left the discretion as to what was disruptive up to the teacher, the administrators, and the police. So a weak teacher with no classroom management ends up with more students cited and sent to the court system than a strong teacher who engaged their students and was able to redirect the same behavior. Texas has now outlawed citations for this, opting instead for administrative systems like graduated sanctions (progressive discipline at the SCHOOL level), restorative justice, etc.

CT, not to take away from what you are saying, because there is truth to it. But IMO, the failure comes from all sides, not just one. Parents are failing the students, teachers are failing the students, students, are failing the teachers, students are failing the parents, etc. Dr. Julia Hare said it best...Teachers are afraid of prinicipals, principals are afraid of the superintendent, superintendent is scared of the school board, school board is scared of the parents, parents are scared of the children, and the children ain't scared of nobody!!!

 

[number1]

I'm in the classroom now on the college level, and I get to see the results of these schools. The poor education THEY feel they received...the statements esp about their white teachers not really wanting to include them...having to constantly call them on their bullshit. I do think its a systemic issue to undereducate black children. And let's be honest, for more and more black people, their subconscious predjudices allow them to feel its okay to treat their own children like prisoners and not blink an eye. They too are okay with no second changes, he had it coming statements, they never give a "let the kids play" and "this is normal behavior, no big deal I see"....

I won't change my stance. It's time for black people to home school, create education consortiums to push their kids higher than where they are now.

How about these same black people go into the schools and volunteer their services to help mentor, tutor, and sponsor these students that feel left out? How about these same black people make sure they vote when election time comes around for school board members? How about these same black people organize and attend school board meetings regularly, holding their elected officials and superintendent accountable for their child's education. How about taking the initiative and checking in on your child from time to time instead of waiting for a phone call from the school? Your students can't get "messed over" if you're doing your part to hold those officials and your own child accountable for their actions. If black parents did this en mass, I guarantee you would see a huge difference in the educational outcomes of children.

You look at white parents at those white schools, they will be all over their school board member, principal, and whoever else if little Susie isn't getting treated fairly or receiving a quality education.

 

[number1]

Here is one thing I will say. There are LOTS of teachers, both black and white, who have NO BUSINESS in the classroom. They have NO classroom control, NO rapport with students, and NO real method to what they do. That's the beginning of some of the behavior that ends up getting some kids caught up. They are bored in class. Now, I will also say this....I think Texas has the right idea. Up until about 4 years ago, kids could be written citations for disrupting class, fighting, and other common youthful actions. This left the discretion as to what was disruptive up to the teacher, the administrators, and the police. So a weak teacher with no classroom management ends up with more students cited and sent to the court system than a strong teacher who engaged their students and was able to redirect the same behavior. Texas has now outlawed citations for this, opting instead for administrative systems like graduated sanctions (progressive discipline at the SCHOOL level), restorative justice, etc.

CT, not to take away from what you are saying, because there is truth to it. But IMO, the failure comes from all sides, not just one. Parents are failing the students, teachers are failing the students, students, are failing the teachers, students are failing the parents, etc. Dr. Julia Hare said it best...Teachers are afraid of prinicipals, principals are afraid of the superintendent, superintendent is scared of the school board, school board is scared of the parents, parents are scared of the children, and the children ain't scared of nobody!!!

A lot of that has to do with the teacher just not being a good fit for certain school environments, the teacher not having the proper training and support, or them just not really wanting to be a teacher and just wanting to collect a check. And technology has just added another challenge in classrooms.

 

[pvdogteam]

I think I have a different view of this stuff because I'm actually in the classroom and not on the outside looking in. I can't speak for the racially diverse schools, but I am definitely not surprised about the suspensions/expulsions of students. It's easy to say on the outside that schools are too harsh with students, but you have to see the behaviors of some of these students in person to believe it. I teach at a majority black school, and I fully support suspending or expelling those students that display behaviors that warrant those punishments. I don't know what goes on at the majority white or racially-diverse schools, but I know my school uses suspensions and expulsions as a last resort, sometimes to the detriment of the other students on campus. Schools have things called PBIS and Restorative Justice that makes suspensions and expulsions last options for misbehaving students. So instead of suspending a student that said, "F--- you" to a teacher, the principal would talk to them and make them apologize to the teacher either verbally or written. Instead of suspending them for starting a food fight, they would make them clean the entire cafeteria and possibly pick up trash around the school.


There's a particular group of children (including those of other races) that have to be placed in some sort of alternative setting complete with counseling and mentoring because some students just can't function in a large classroom setting without causing major disruptions. That's probably the best way to try and steer these children back into the right direction. I would love for the Department of Education to do a study on the involvement of parents in school and how it correlates with the number of discipline issues at the school.

Also we've also seen videos of black, white, and hispanic students assaulting teachers, each other, school administrators, or even school security and police officers as well. Remember hindsight is 20/20. I've seen classroom fights where the teacher steps back and calls the office for help, and people get made because the teacher didn't step in between the blows to break up the students. I've also seen fights where the teacher gets physically involved to stop the fight, and gets criticized for being too rough with the students and not waiting for help to arrive. Folks can't have it both ways.

I truly believe teaching and being a police officer are the hardest jobs due to all of the scrutiny.

My wifey is a 4th grade math teacher and from the inside it is brutal. She has to teach a mixed population of kids from Asian, Black, Hispanic, Indian and white. She also has Gifted, ADD, Behavioral Issues and even 2 autistic kids in her classes and it is tough to teach as one single teacher. She recently had an incident where the gifted kids were in the back of the room teaching one of the autistic kids how to play some witchcraft game and now the autistic kid is obsessed with it and one of the other kids whom the gifted kids told her she would die soon is all freaked out and now her mom has to take her to counseling. Her kid with the behavioral issues banged another kid in the head with a tray and now the parents want to sue. All this stuff going on and the school is beating my wifey down to get all these kids to a certain STAAR test score. Then you have a parent over the PTA going in on my wifey on her FB because my wife put in her weekly letter that she was going to be off because of her birthday, like really, my son's teachers do that and it's no big deal. I won't even go into how the administration acts at her school smh.

 

[pvdogteam]

How about these same black people go into the schools and volunteer their services to help mentor, tutor, and sponsor these students that feel left out? How about these same black people make sure they vote when election time comes around for school board members? How about these same black people organize and attend school board meetings regularly, holding their elected officials and superintendent accountable for their child's education. How about taking the initiative and checking in on your child from time to time instead of waiting for a phone call from the school? Your students can't get "messed over" if you're doing your part to hold those officials and your own child accountable for their actions. If black parents did this en mass, I guarantee you would see a huge difference in the educational outcomes of children.

You look at white parents at those white schools, they will be all over their school board member, principal, and whoever else if little Susie isn't getting treated fairly or receiving a quality education.

Now this is true especially if you have a young black male in these white women dominated suburban schools, you have to stay on top of their situation. My son who was a straight A student was being seen by the special ed teacher and even put out the class because the teacher said he didn't put his pencil down fast enough. My wifey paid a visit to the school and we found out that the class was full of little white girls who blurt out answers and were very verbal in the class participation. This class wasn't a good fit because our son was just moving from an environment where the kids were orderly and raised their hands, but if we didn't check it out he would have been shoved to the side and labeled as learning deficient when it was the white woman who only wanted to teach her own way that catered to white girls. He hasn't had those issues since leaving her class 4 years ago.

 

[The Founder]

Y'all, the don't give a shit about our kids starts early. Where the hell does anyone think this is cool to drag a 3-5 year old kid down a nasty ass hallway as acceptable? No where. These folks are not educating children...they are just getting a check and mistreating. Time to home school, create school consortiums.....we have to take the educating of our kids from those who don't look like us...

Anybody on here home school?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/de9570b5-1726-30ab-a3b7-66ef7f588d4d/ss_ohio-teacher-fired-for.html

Teacher Fired for Dragging Student Down Hallway at Ohio School

CT I'm not advocating this type of actions but let's look at the evolution of corporal punishment. Back in our day the teacher would torn his but up, sat him down and continued to teach. If he kept acting up the teacher would research his background and try to talk to his parents.

Now that was in a time where teachers and parents cooperated.

We have some piss poor parents who don't teach their kids home training. The kids act out in school because they see the parents acting at home. Many of the kids are so undisciplined that they are labeled special needs and placed in special education classes and don't even earn a diploma but a certification.

The education system just like the legal system needs to be fixed but EVERYTHING starts at HOME. This teacher has issues and this child. I was majoring in Social Science Education and my first summer in college I had to observe 6th graders that flunked and had to go to summer school. Well this one child was so damn awful that I changed my major. When the summer school teacher asked for a parent/teacher conference the parent said "Just send her home she'll just flunk."

I see this girl now and she is 7 years younger than me. She didn't graduate high school and she has 7 kids. All 7 are in special needs classes. The home they lived in is overrun with trees and bushes and now they live in Section 8 housing in one apartment with the mother. Her sister lives next door with 3 kids that are in the same boat. Fathers are non-existent. The Grandfather of the kids....well her mother was his side piece so you know how that goes.

I said that to say, as I said earlier the legal system and education system needs to be fixed. We need better teachers and parents have to be better parents.

 

[The Founder]

Corporal punishment was taken out of schools because white folk did not want Black folk disciplining their children.

Nah bruh you had many black parents who got their ass tore up in school and didn't want their kids touched. Corporal punishment also meant that parents could not come and spank their kids.

 

[Herbert77060]

Nah bruh you had many black parents who got their ass tore up in school and didn't want their kids touched. Corporal punishment also meant that parents could not come and spank their kids.

All I know is that in Texas once integration was implemented corporal punishment was no more and this was in 1967 in Houston, TX.

 

[The Founder]

All I know is that in Texas once integration was implemented corporal punishment was no more and this was in 1967 in Houston, TX.

We quick to blame problems on past events but let's be real for a second it's some kids that are flat out horrible and some parents go along with their actions.

 

[chocalate_topaz]

How about these same black people go into the schools and volunteer their services to help mentor, tutor, and sponsor these students that feel left out? How about these same black people make sure they vote when election time comes around for school board members? How about these same black people organize and attend school board meetings regularly, holding their elected officials and superintendent accountable for their child's education. How about taking the initiative and checking in on your child from time to time instead of waiting for a phone call from the school? Your students can't get "messed over" if you're doing your part to hold those officials and your own child accountable for their actions. If black parents did this en mass, I guarantee you would see a huge difference in the educational outcomes of children.

You look at white parents at those white schools, they will be all over their school board member, principal, and whoever else if little Susie isn't getting treated fairly or receiving a quality education.

You said you haven't worked with majority white schools...I have. My kid went to a school that as 55/45 white to black. I did volunteer, tutor, was at PTAs, went to the school whenever I felt there was an issue...and you know what? They didn't want to see me coming.

I had the old white teacher tell my kid who killed 3 deer on opening day to stop lying. And then when he was selling for the BEta club, said, she didn't know they would let "some people" sell and she indicated she pointed at him. So, I had to see her. That was ugly and she had to apologize. I moved my kid.

I was called to a parent teacher conference by another white teacher who, once we were there, was unable to articulate what the issue was...she kept saying my son didn't treat her like she thought he should---she told me after I asked, no, he wasn't disrespectful, hadn't talked talked back, etc...she just thought he should treat her...better. Both me and the counselor gave her a WTF look.

Then his HS school counselor...I had to make a special trip to get him into the Honors English class. The counselor told me that I'd have to sign off because when he failed, it would be on me. I told him that 1) he'd always been in high level classes so what was different and 2) that was a piss poor attitude and perhaps he shouldn't be counseling students. He was retiring at the end of the school year anyway. My kid graduated with honors.

I'm there whenever I need to be and they were still trying to mess over him at every turn. So yes, there are plenty of teachers that don't give a damn OR see our children as viable. As my dude said, and there is some truth, teaching is no longer the honorable profession it historically was. Now, it's akin to working at the 7/11...folks using it as a fallback when they can't find work elsewhere...and that is terrible.

But what's wrong with black parents coming together to create new home schooling consortiums that teach their own history?

 

[The Founder]

My other question to this is what if the kid acting a fool and injured another kid....then the cop came in and handcuffed the kid....or the teacher did nothing...called the principal....principal tried to restrain the kid and kid got injured. Same place where we are now.

 

[Herbert77060]

We quick to blame problems on past events but let's be real for a second it's some kids that are flat out horrible and some parents go along with their actions.

No argument there but there have always been bad assed children in schools. But back in the day teachers had ways of controlling their classrooms and the threat of corporal punishment was one of those methods. In elementary we had an older lady who taught 4th grade. She kept a barber strap in her classroom. I heard rumors of her using it but never met anyone she actually used it on and she had no discipline issues in her class. As a matter of fact if another teacher had a bad actor they'd threaten to send him/her to Mama Mann and that would put an end to that. Just the threat of getting our butts beaten kept most of us in line.

Teachers today don't have that trump card to play. And it has to begin early and enforced in the home also.

 

[coldsweat]

Time to separate and be set apart people. CT is 100% right.

 

[number1]

Time to separate and be set apart people. CT is 100% right.

There are plenty of majority black school districts across the country as well as majority black charter schools run by black people. The same issues are going to exist unless you have parental involvement and strong teachers. I don't care what educational option you choose, without those 2 things problems are going to occur.