Teacher drags HEADSTAR child down the hallway


chocalate_topaz said:
You said you haven't worked with majority white schools...I have. My kid went to a school that as 55/45 white to black. I did volunteer, tutor, was at PTAs, went to the school whenever I felt there was an issue...and you know what? They didn't want to see me coming.

I had the old white teacher tell my kid who killed 3 deer on opening day to stop lying. And then when he was selling for the BEta club, said, she didn't know they would let "some people" sell and she indicated she pointed at him. So, I had to see her. That was ugly and she had to apologize. I moved my kid.

I was called to a parent teacher conference by another white teacher who, once we were there, was unable to articulate what the issue was...she kept saying my son didn't treat her like she thought he should---she told me after I asked, no, he wasn't disrespectful, hadn't talked talked back, etc...she just thought he should treat her...better. Both me and the counselor gave her a WTF look.

Then his HS school counselor...I had to make a special trip to get him into the Honors English class. The counselor told me that I'd have to sign off because when he failed, it would be on me. I told him that 1) he'd always been in high level classes so what was different and 2) that was a piss poor attitude and perhaps he shouldn't be counseling students. He was retiring at the end of the school year anyway. My kid graduated with honors.

I'm there whenever I need to be and they were still trying to mess over him at every turn. So yes, there are plenty of teachers that don't give a damn OR see our children as viable. As my dude said, and there is some truth, teaching is no longer the honorable profession it historically was. Now, it's akin to working at the 7/11...folks using it as a fallback when they can't find work elsewhere...and that is terrible.

But what's wrong with black parents coming together to create new home schooling consortiums that teach their own history?
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Different people have different experiences. I had several white teachers (most of my teachers were white in fact) and had little issue with any of them. In terms of black parents coming together, I answered that in my previous post. Why can't those black parents come together to make their schools better so they don't have to seek out a private school, move to another area, or home school.
 
That child might be bad as fuk.. so im not about to judge that teacher. I know I couldn't teach. The kids have zero respect and I would just be in jail.... smh
 



number1 said:
There are plenty of majority black school districts across the country as well as majority black charter schools run by black people. The same issues are going to exist unless you have parental involvement and strong teachers. I don't care what educational option you choose, without those 2 things problems are going to occur.
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I agree. I almost asked how Charter Schools could get parental involvement and public schools cannot (for the most part) then I realized Charters can pick and choose their students and cull if guidelines and demands are not met by parent, child or both. Public schools cannot or do not do this.
 
Tigerpride said:
That child might be bad as fuk.. so im not about to judge that teacher. I know I couldn't teach. The kids have zero respect and I would just be in jail.... smh
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This is HEADSTART- 3 - 5 years old. If you can't control that child, you should change your profession. But your mindset is exactly what I mentioned...she is dragging a child down a nasty ass hallway and you really don't see a problem with it because the child might be so bad they deserved it. We MUST do, think, act better about our children.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
This is HEADSTART- 3 - 5 years old. If you can't control that child, you should change your profession. But your mindset is exactly what I mentioned...she is dragging a child down a nasty ass hallway and you really don't see a problem with it because the child might be so bad they deserved it. We MUST do, think, act better about our children.
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c_t has a point you know. Other folk will support their children to the end. I do not mean condone what they did...I mean support them.

Everybody is not teacher material. I know I am not...patience too short. I remember the former mayor of Houston (Bill White) had this zero tolerance policy aimed at youth. His daughter stole the family car and was stopped driving while drunk. All the zero tolerance crap went straight out of the window and he called in all his favors and pulled all the strings to get his daughter off and have no record.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
This is HEADSTART- 3 - 5 years old. If you can't control that child, you should change your profession. But your mindset is exactly what I mentioned...she is dragging a child down a nasty ass hallway and you really don't see a problem with it because the child might be so bad they deserved it. We MUST do, think, act better about our children.
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I agree with you on some of it such as the teacher dragging the child down the hall, not acceptable.

Yet, more to my point discipline starts at home and I think we agree that kids act out because of lack parental discipline or a mental defect. A mental defect could be special needs etc....one of the things I would really like to see is research on kids with strong discipline problems and the correlation with their parents development of certain cognitive beliefs.

I would also like to know the background of the teacher and her upbringing as well.

Now I know some 3 to 5 year olds that freaking TERRORS!!!!! My wife has some relatives that they are not allowed to come to our home if they bring theirs kids. My wife and I noticed that these kids act out because the parents and grand parents speak to them like animals. One of the kids was a flower girl and is sweet as pie. Her mom and grandmother told us she had a speaking problem. The little girl spent 24 hours with my family and was talking up a storm about everything. When it was time for her to go back to her family the little girl screamed and didn't want to go. The next day my wife and I went to see her and my wife almost jumped on her cousin (who is not the child's mother) by the way she spoke to the little girl.
 
I have PERSONALLY seen 5 year olds cursing out teachers, physically assaulting them, throwing chairs at them, and more. I do agree that a teacher is held to a higher standard, but at what point do you stop letting a 5 year old just literally whip your arse and disrespect you before you do something to protect yourself?

And funny, as I am typing this, a teacher walk into my office asking me if I heard about a huge fight at another school where a teacher was assaulted in the process. The teacher says, and I quote, "That's why I don't break up fights." So if your kid was in a fight and this teacher is there and doesn't intervene, and your child gets seriously injured, would you be upset?

I'm not advocating for either side in this debate, but just from first hand knowledge, it's not as black and white (no pun intended) as some make it seem.
 
s phi s said:
I have PERSONALLY seen 5 year olds cursing out teachers, physically assaulting them, throwing chairs at them, and more. I do agree that a teacher is held to a higher standard, but at what point do you stop letting a 5 year old just literally whip your arse and disrespect you before you do something to protect yourself?

And funny, as I am typing this, a teacher walk into my office asking me if I heard about a huge fight at another school where a teacher was assaulted in the process. The teacher says, and I quote, "That's why I don't break up fights." So if your kid was in a fight and this teacher is there and doesn't intervene, and your child gets seriously injured, would you be upset?

I'm not advocating for either side in this debate, but just from first hand knowledge, it's not as black and white (no pun intended) as some make it seem.
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Bruh I know a teacher who was teaching high school and a female student called her a "bitch". Well the teacher asked the young lady to leave and she didn't. The teacher left out and got the principal and the teenage girl said "fuck yall I'm a teenager yall can't do shit." So they just let her sit there and the teacher continued to teach while the principal stayed in the class. The next day the teacher's mother comes up to the school and literally walks back to the class and bust the teacher in the head and they started fighting.

When police got there the daughter said she went home and told her mom who the teacher was and that her mom said she didn't like the teacher when they were in high school so whatever the teacher said didn't matter.

The teen age girl has had a long discipline record having been suspended at least one time EVERY school year since the first grade.
 
The Founder said:
Bruh I know a teacher who was teaching high school and a female student called her a "bitch". Well the teacher asked the young lady to leave and she didn't. The teacher left out and got the principal and the teenage girl said "fuck yall I'm a teenager yall can't do shit." So they just let her sit there and the teacher continued to teach while the principal stayed in the class. The next day the teacher's mother comes up to the school and literally walks back to the class and bust the teacher in the head and they started fighting.

When police got there the daughter said she went home and told her mom who the teacher was and that her mom said she didn't like the teacher when they were in high school so whatever the teacher said didn't matter.

The teen age girl has had a long discipline record having been suspended at least one time EVERY school year since the first grade.
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Untrue, the teacher could have done what one of my teachers did to a high school class mate and guy I grew up with...went to church with and I know he wasn't taught to disrespect grownups. She flunked his ass!
 
s phi s said:
I have PERSONALLY seen 5 year olds cursing out teachers, physically assaulting them, throwing chairs at them, and more. I do agree that a teacher is held to a higher standard, but at what point do you stop letting a 5 year old just literally whip your arse and disrespect you before you do something to protect yourself?

And funny, as I am typing this, a teacher walk into my office asking me if I heard about a huge fight at another school where a teacher was assaulted in the process. The teacher says, and I quote, "That's why I don't break up fights." So if your kid was in a fight and this teacher is there and doesn't intervene, and your child gets seriously injured, would you be upset?

I'm not advocating for either side in this debate, but just from first hand knowledge, it's not as black and white (no pun intended) as some make it seem.
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I hear you but this is not about a child throwing things at the teacher. Let's not lump it all together. In the case we are comparing apples to oranges.

And remember, this teacher's co-worker recorded the incident (allegedly) so it appears the co-worker thought the act was uncalled for and egregious enough to report.
 
The Founder said:
I agree with you on some of it such as the teacher dragging the child down the hall, not acceptable.

Yet, more to my point discipline starts at home and I think we agree that kids act out because of lack parental discipline or a mental defect. A mental defect could be special needs etc....one of the things I would really like to see is research on kids with strong discipline problems and the correlation with their parents development of certain cognitive beliefs.

I would also like to know the background of the teacher and her upbringing as well.

Now I know some 3 to 5 year olds that freaking TERRORS!!!!! My wife has some relatives that they are not allowed to come to our home if they bring theirs kids. My wife and I noticed that these kids act out because the parents and grand parents speak to them like animals. One of the kids was a flower girl and is sweet as pie. Her mom and grandmother told us she had a speaking problem. The little girl spent 24 hours with my family and was talking up a storm about everything. When it was time for her to go back to her family the little girl screamed and didn't want to go. The next day my wife and I went to see her and my wife almost jumped on her cousin (who is not the child's mother) by the way she spoke to the little girl.
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These people should be avoided and reported. Kids don't act like strangers...
 
I want you guys to do this....read back through this thread and see how many times you dudes have tried to justify this teacher's actions. THAT is troubling to me....

Think about what your reaction would be if that was your kid in the photo and if you would truly be okay with it, no matter what they did...and if you are...what would they have done to make this action okay?

And lastly, why the resistance to other than public schooling? Everything seems to come back to...do this so public schooling could be better. I find it interesting that suggesting to do more for your kid(s) privately is getting pushback.
 
Herbert77060 said:
I hear you but this is not about a child throwing things at the teacher. Let's not lump it all together. In the case we are comparing apples to oranges.

And remember, this teacher's co-worker recorded the incident (allegedly) so it appears the co-worker thought the act was uncalled for and egregious enough to report.
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Agreed. I kinda went off on a tangent, moreso related to some of the comments in this thread, as opposed to the original topic of the thread.
 
I don't agree with hurting anyone's child, and I definitely think this teacher was wrong. On the other hand the truth is some of these kids today are the most disrespectful bastards on earth. I avoid them at all cost becauseI still like to fight. They will make you put a grown man azz whipping on them.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
I want you guys to do this....read back through this thread and see how many times you dudes have tried to justify this teacher's actions. THAT is troubling to me....

Think about what your reaction would be if that was your kid in the photo and if you would truly be okay with it, no matter what they did...and if you are...what would they have done to make this action okay?

And lastly, why the resistance to other than public schooling? Everything seems to come back to...do this so public schooling could be better. I find it interesting that suggesting to do more for your kid(s) privately is getting pushback.
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I never defended the teacher. I don't support home schools or private schools. I believe all kids should be afforded equal education and that more money should be placed in to public education. Meaning more money for non-academic counseling; money for screening teachers; more money for the hiring of more teachers to balance the student/teacher ratio, and more money to allow students more access to STEM and the Arts.
 



The Founder said:
I never defended the teacher. I don't support home schools or private schools. I believe all kids should be afforded equal education and that more money should be placed in to public education. Meaning more money for non-academic counseling; money for screening teachers; more money for the hiring of more teachers to balance the student/teacher ratio, and more money to allow students more access to STEM and the Arts.
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Wonderful in theory...but the reality isn't working for all. So...how long to keep going in the same manner, with AA children being let behind before you change?
 
chocalate_topaz said:
Wonderful in theory...but the reality isn't working for all. So...how long to keep going in the same manner, with AA children being let behind before you change?
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I'm not going to change....how many AA families are equipped to home school and how many AA families can afford private schools? See that's the fairy tale people are living in. We want the best education but not willing to press buttons for it. Where I live I have approximately 5 high schools to send my kid to...my wife and I discussed this one night. The private school I personally want to burn it down.....the largest high school has clear racial issues....the other two schools do not have football (and I am heavy believer in extracurricular activities), and the charter school in Grambling is the one that is left. I chose the charter school because if my kid got out of line I could go over and put him in check real quick without CPS making a visit. Yet, every parent is not like me. Some parents don't give a care about their kids education.

Yet, CT my household and yours are not your typical house hold that I am speaking about. I speaking about the uneducated household who does not care about education. I speaking of the working class living check to check.

Instead of seeking privatization we should be pressing every button to ensure that public education is safe, fair, and functional.

Believe it or not there are people who are trying to get a bill presented to the Louisiana Legislature to exempt families from paying school taxes if they do not have kids in school. That's the type of ignorant and asinine mess we deal with...
 
s phi s said:
I have PERSONALLY seen 5 year olds cursing out teachers, physically assaulting them, throwing chairs at them, and more. I do agree that a teacher is held to a higher standard, but at what point do you stop letting a 5 year old just literally whip your arse and disrespect you before you do something to protect yourself?

And funny, as I am typing this, a teacher walk into my office asking me if I heard about a huge fight at another school where a teacher was assaulted in the process. The teacher says, and I quote, "That's why I don't break up fights." So if your kid was in a fight and this teacher is there and doesn't intervene, and your child gets seriously injured, would you be upset?

I'm not advocating for either side in this debate, but just from first hand knowledge, it's not as black and white (no pun intended) as some make it seem.
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Not to take it further off-topic, but I don't break up fights either. If I can't stop it before they start swinging, they on their own until help arrives. I still have yet to hear a 100% clear answer on what to do about fights. If I can't stop them before they start swinging, or they think they're big and bad and push away from me, I'm not jumping in between to break it up. I just call for help and let them break them up.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
I want you guys to do this....read back through this thread and see how many times you dudes have tried to justify this teacher's actions. THAT is troubling to me....

Think about what your reaction would be if that was your kid in the photo and if you would truly be okay with it, no matter what they did...and if you are...what would they have done to make this action okay?

And lastly, why the resistance to other than public schooling? Everything seems to come back to...do this so public schooling could be better. I find it interesting that suggesting to do more for your kid(s) privately is getting pushback.
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The teacher was definitely wrong for the dragging the little girl, I just strongly opposed the notion that teachers aren't good enough for students and folks should pull support away from public schools. I just want parents to wake up and realize that they can get together and help turn their public schools around by just being visible at the school from time to time. Your students may turn out well, but little Devante from down the street may turn to a life of crime because he didn't receive any support or structure at home for education. We can decrease the chances of that happening if we work together instead of always trying to find ways to separate and move away from problems. How about staying put and solving the problem, or move your child, but still go back and help that school so that other parents won't have to make that choice.
 
number1 said:
Not to take it further off-topic, but I don't break up fights either. If I can't stop it before they start swinging, they on their own until help arrives. I still have yet to hear a 100% clear answer on what to do about fights. If I can't stop them before they start swinging, or they think they're big and bad and push away from me, I'm not jumping in between to break it up. I just call for help and let them break them up.
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Can't honestly say that I blame you. There is no clear answer. I have heard of folks with the best intentions get in trouble after being accused of something while trying to break up a fight. But on the flip side, if Johnny gets a broken nose, facial fractures and a concussion during a fight and it is learned that you were there and didn't intervene, you know that's hell to pay, right? It's crazy.
 
Now, I don't think all teachers aren't good enough for their students...but there are too many documented cases of our AA kids being left behind and the stories THEY TELL, all have the same theme-other race, primarily white--who either didn't care, told them they were dumb/stupid/couldn't excel, passed them because they were a jock, or for all intents and purposes made them the poster child of bad behavior by not allowing them any ability to be...well, normal in their activity, their play was deemed too rough, aggressive, always singled out for anything....I push for the home schooling because I want our children to have more than they are getting. I get that some don't like the privatization/home school concept...but tell me how do you change a system that leaves out a lot of other than European history? How do we put OUR faces and culture all into what they do on a day to day basis?

I get that everybody is angry at the world...and it shows in their actions, work, reactions, etc. II also agree that more folks should practice birth control when they know they don't really want the responsibility of raising children...cause that responsibility is HUGE.

But, In the end, I am always cognizant of how these types of actions affect our AA children's psyche. The devaluing of them...they know and feel it and that translates into what we see today--lack of proper self esteem, the continued chronic devaluation of themselves and those that look like them, the inability to set high goals/standards for their lives. I can't imagine the feelings of that child when she was dragged or the parents when they look at this pic...I'm enraged just the thought that she was treated like less than...because that teacher didn't have the coping skills.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
. I get that some don't like the privatization/home school concept...but tell me how do you change a system that leaves out a lot of other than European history? How do we put OUR faces and culture all into what they do on a day to day basis?
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Let's talk about privatization and home schooling. How does the working class afford private schools when they are living check to check? Also, if parents are living in poverty how do they go by home schooling?

I may be ignorant of homeschooling but when I think about it to me it means a parent at home teaching the child or the child going online.
 
Home schooling is not that difficult. Yes, the kid is taking online classes OR you can create that consortium and teach in small groups--get 1 teacher and a group of kids so those who work, still can. What I see, is black folks esp get this gut reaction when they hear homeschooling. It's like to many-- my folks had that little one room school in the woods and we don't want to go backwards...but homeschooling appears to be WAY different. These kids are scoring off the charts! I think some need to work on interpersonal skills, but overall, they have book sense, common sense...just blunt and gruff to me.

I know this guy in my hometown did it with all his children. They got scholarships galore, played 3 or 4 instruments each, spoke a few languages.....and they never darkened the school's doors. I'm seeing more and more of my colleagues doing this and setting up these small group learning settings...and again, the kids are doing marvelously...

Doesn't appear to be expensive: http://a2zhomeschooling.com/materials/curriculum_shop/free_curriculum/lesson_plans_free/
 
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