Sean Woods: You're Not At MVSU Anymore (Pushes Player And Verbally Berates Him)


Blacknbengal said:
Then you wouldn't understand. You're like that player that Woods were talking to.
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The only man I've ever considered a father figure was my grandfather.

Again, a coach is only considered a father figure for those who see him that way. I just never viewed them in that manner. It is not a coach responsibility to be a father figure. His job is to win games. Period.

Jerry Sandusky was considered a father figure, and look how that turned out.
 
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Originally Posted by Blacknbengal

Then you wouldn't understand. You're like that player that Woods were talking to.
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Just asking, how do you know Atkinson, consider the coach as a "Father Figure" or he was raised without his father, being in the home? You honestly sound like some white folks, assuming most blacks was raised without a father.

As Kendrick, said his grandfather was his father figure.

Tom Payne, said Adolph Rupp, was a Father Figure, what kind of sense does that make. When his father should have been his father figure.
 



kendrick said:
The only man I've ever considered a father figure was my grandfather.

Again, a coach is only considered a father figure for those who see him that way. I just never viewed them in that manner. It is not a coach responsibility to be a father figure. His job is to win games. Period.

Jerry Sandusky was considered a father figure, and look how that turned out.
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Jerry San???? Are you serious??? What about Jerry Lewis? How you gonna bring up a pedophile? A pedophile is a pedophile.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Jerry San???? Are you serious??? What about Jerry Lewis? How you gonna bring up a pedophile? A pedophile is a pedophile.
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Many people in the Penn State community considered him a father figure. He was coaching the football team, working with disadvantaged children in the community, right? Your definition of a father father is a cat who has direct contact with kids. Well, I think Jerry Sandusky fit that description.
 
kendrick said:
Don't make men who are not your father, father figures. Just because they're men and work with children, doesn't make them a father figure.
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Why not? You have one scenario for your argument and I have several for mines. You're acting like that kid that Sean was talking to. All soft and stuff.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Why not.
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Because coaches are coaches. That's all they should be. They are not paternal. I don't want a coach to be a father figure, author, life coach, role model or none of that stuff. Be a coach. That's it. The problem with college athletics is that we are too quick to put these cats on pedestals they really don't deserve to placed on.

Hero worship, idolatry and deifying them is a horrible standard to set. After the Joe Paterno situation, I would have thought more folks would stop this non sense. But, I see that's not the case.
 
It's not about what you want. If the coach can step in a be a father figure, then so be it. Stop being soft Kenneth, you're acting like that lil soft ass D. Rose now. Dude, you went to J-State. Show that tuff side of you.
 
Blacknbengal said:
It's not about what you want. If the coach can step in a be a father figure, then so be it. Stop being soft Kenneth, you're acting like that lil soft ass D. Rose now. Dude, you went to J-State. Show that tuff side of you.
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It's got nothing to do with being soft, Black. I'm just explaining what the role of coaches should be. These dudes don't get paid what they get paid to be father figures. They get paid to win. Anything more than that, and we are asking too much.

If a coach has to be a father figure, or is expected to be one, then there is a datgum problem with society.

Let me ask you this, Black. Would you want Bobby Petrino, Kelvin Sampson, Rick Pitino or Lane Kiffin, Eddie Sutton, Dave Bliss to be a father figure to your kids? I wouldn't because more often than not, these cats shady as hell.

That's why I respect John Calipari so much. Dude don't care about this B.S. the NCAA machine promotes in commercials.

He understands his job to win basketball games and get his players to the NBA. He said if he won the national title and none of his players got drafted, he would be a little disappointed. That's how all coaches should be. Know your role.
 
Political correctness. In the 70's this would not even be an issue and the player would have just brushed it off. But today....:smh: kids are waay too sensitive. But yes Coach Sean Wood have to be more aware of where he's at in this microscope society today.
 
kendrick said:
It's got nothing to do with being soft, Black. I'm just explaining what the role of coaches should be. These dudes don't get paid what they get paid to be father figures. They get paid to win. Anything more than that, and we are asking too much.

If a coach has to be a father figure, or is expected to be one, then there is a datgum problem with society.

Let me ask you this, Black. Would you want Bobby Petrino, Kelvin Sampson, Rick Pitino or Lane Kiffin, Eddie Sutton, Dave Bliss to be a father figure to your kids? I wouldn't because more often than not, these cats shady as hell.

That's why I respect John Calipari so much. Dude don't care about this B.S. the NCAA machine promotes in commercials.

He understands his job to win basketball games and get his players to the NBA. He said if he won the national title and none of his players got drafted, he would be a little disappointed. That's how all coaches should be. Know your role.
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then get in the face of these single mothers who encourage these coaches to be daddy for these boys because Momma made bad choices in who the father of her child was. Or she wants whoever can get junior in the the NBA or NFL or a rapper career the fastest babying her son.

Then we wonder why we have guys like TO and others that are immature as heck because that father figure was an azz kisser instead of a biological butt kicker father.

It's the same BULL that we deal with in school-we are expected to be everything to these kids and it's our fault when they fail. Because we have too many wimps in the church, city hall, white house, congress, governor mansion, Oprah's empire, Tyler Perry's empire, Republican or Democratic party that has the balls to tell these sorry women that YOU are responsible for that kid not everyone else who does not live in your house.
 
kendrick said:
He understands his job to win basketball games and get his players to the NBA. He said if he won the national title and none of his players got drafted, he would be a little disappointed. That's how all coaches should be. Know your role.
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He can say that but when winning titles don't produce NBA players to attract to young players to your school and they go elsewhere-he'll start caring. He's lucky he's at Kentucky-that attitude would get him axed at other schools.
 
skyvolt2000 said:
He can say that but when winning titles don't produce NBA players to attract to young players to your school and they go elsewhere-he'll start caring. He's lucky he's at Kentucky-that attitude would get him axed at other schools.
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True...
 
pbla said:
Political correctness. In the 70's this would not even be an issue and the player would have just brushed it off. But today....:smh: kids are waay too sensitive. But yes Coach Sean Wood have to be more aware of where he's at in this microscope society today.
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Don't you think it's the adults who make a much bigger issue out of this than the athletes?

When Todd Bozeman got reprimanded for allegedly punching a player last year, the athlete brushed it off. This Morehead State kid didn't make a stink about Sean Woods going Bobby Knight on him either.

Sure, he was emotional about it on the bench, but he didn't go to the press.

Notre Dame officials warned Brian Kelly last year about the his sideline demeanor with players. I don't remember witnessing players crying on the sideline or players going to the press about Kelly's treatment of them during the games or in practice. However, many Notre Dame alums brought it to the school's attention, though.

To call the kids sensitive might be a misrepresentation when it is had been adults who bring these issues to the forefront more often than not.
 
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pbla said:
Political correctness. In the 70's this would not even be an issue and the player would have just brushed it off. But today....:smh: kids are waay too sensitive. But yes Coach Sean Wood have to be more aware of where he's at in this microscope society today.
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I agree. What would happen if John Cheney of Temple was coaching today?
 
kendrick said:
Don't you think it's the adults who make a much bigger issue out of this than the athletes?

When Todd Bozeman got reprimanded for allegedly punching a player last year, the athlete brushed it off. This Morehead State kid didn't make a stink about Sean Woods going Bobby Knight on him either.

Sure, it he was emotional about it on the bench, but he didn't go to the press.

Notre Dame officials warned Brian Kelly last year about the his sideline demeanor with players. I don't remember witnessing players crying on the sideline or players going to the press about Kelly's treatment of them during the games or in practice. However, many Notre Dame alums brought it to the school's attention, though.

To call the kids sensitive might be a misrepresentation when it is had been adults who bring these issues to the forefront more often than not.
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True in a way Ken but it's also those same parents telling those kids in what way a coach or instructor should talked to them. Hec our parents told us before the school year.. don
t you give the teacher any backtalk,respect your elders. Well my mom and other parents in my neighborhood we got tough love and a tough tongue lashing when we had our heads up our asses..Just like Skyvolt said. These kids are baby'd all the way through college. Maybe some kids are tough but the majority of them..they have thin skin because well of their parents lack of tough love parental skills. I had one mom here at work that pulled her son off the football team because she did not like the way the coach was talking to her son. Her issue was that she did not like the coaches yelling at her son...I told her that will make him tough and think and also the coaches yell at all the players and not just one particular player. sad though.


wahines said:
I agree. What would happen if John Cheney of Temple was coaching today?
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I know...Remember when he told John Calipari 'I'll Kill ya. Ill Kill ya". ...I have heard that many a times when I was kid from Big Mama when I didn't do what she said. But when the world heard it..it was a culture shock!! :lol:
 
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pbla said:
True in a way Ken but it's also those same parents telling those kids in what way a coach or instructor should talked to them. Hec our parents told us before the school year.. don
t you give the teacher any backtalk,respect your elders. Well my mom and other parents in my neighborhood we got tough love and a tough tongue lashing when we had our heads up our asses..Just like Skyvolt said. These kids are baby'd all the way through college. Maybe some kids are tough but the majority of them..they have thin skin because well of their parents lack of tough love parental skills. I had one mom here at work that pulled her son off the football team because she did not like the way the coach was talking to her son. Her issue was that she did not like the coaches yelling at her son...I told her that will make him tough and think and also the coaches yell at all the players and not just one particular player. sad though.




I know...Remember when he told John Calipari 'I'll Kill ya. Ill Kill ya". ...I have heard that many a times when I was kid from Big Mama when I didn't do what she said. But when the world heard it was a culture shock!! :lol:
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AMEN!
 
pbla said:
True in a way Ken but it's also those same parents telling those kids in what way a coach or instructor should talked to them. Hec our parents told us before the school year.. don
t you give the teacher any backtalk,respect your elders. Well my mom and other parents in my neighborhood we got tough love and a tough tongue lashing when we had our heads up our asses..Just like Skyvolt said. These kids are baby'd all the way through college. Maybe some kids are tough but the majority of them..they have thin skin because well of their parents lack of tough love parental skills. I had one mom here at work that pulled her son off the football team because she did not like the way the coach was talking to her son. Her issue was that she did not like the coaches yelling at her son...I told her that will make him tough and think and also the coaches yell at all the players and not just one particular player. sad though.
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I don't agree with the notion that yelling at a kid or athlete will make him tough, or playing football will make men out of them. Hogwash! That's that neanderthal, machismo crap.

There is more than one way to get a message across to athletes.

My high school baseball coach was a Chicago cop. You would think this cat would be the meanest S.O.B. on the planet, that he would be a drill sergeant. He wasn't. Sure, he got on us like most coaches do, but he wasn't anything like Sean Woods.

And we were one of the more successful schools in the city.

It was ironic that the first two black head coaches to reach the Super Bowl (Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith) had exactly the same demeanor. Reserved and laid back. Not the typical image we all have for pro football coaches, right? Amazing that it could even be possible!

And I don't think kids being coddled is anything new. Athletes, at least the really good ones, have always been coddled and received special treatment due to their unique athletic ability, and what that athletic ability could do for their parents, schools and communities at-large.

The way we salivate during recruiting season, or when national signing day is right around the corner, would make any young athlete head grow nine sizes. So, were all responsible for what we don't like. I, on the other hand, am meh about it because these collegiate coaches have way more power than the athletes do anyway thanks to the NCAA.
 
kendrick said:
I don't agree with the notion that yelling at a kid or athlete will make him tough, or playing football will make men out of them. Hogwash! That's that neanderthal, machismo crap.

There is more than one way to get a message across to athletes.

My high school baseball coach was a Chicago cop. You would think this cat would be the meanest S.O.B. on the planet, that he would be a drill sergeant. He wasn't. Sure, he got on us like most coaches do, but he wasn't anything like Sean Woods.

And we were one of the more successful schools in the city.

It was ironic that the first two black head coaches to reach the Super Bowl (Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith) had exactly the same demeanor. Reserved and laid back. Not the typical image we all have for pro football coaches, right? Amazing that it could even be possible!

And I don't think kids being coddled is anything new. Athletes, at least the really good ones, have always been coddled and received special treatment due to their unique athletic ability, and what that athletic ability could do for their parents, schools and communities at-large.

The way we salivate during recruiting season, or when national signing day is right around the corner, would make any young athlete head grow nine sizes. So, were all responsible for what we don't like. I, on the other hand, am meh about it because these collegiate coaches have way more power than the athletes do anyway thanks to the NCAA.
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But they were coaching pro athletes. Pro players should be already disciplined.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
the point is the blanket statement that coaches are father figures doesn't fit for every coach. Some are good, some are bad, some are downright evil...
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Understandable. But that's people. You don't have to be a coach to be good, bad, or evil.
 
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kendrick said:
I don't agree with the notion that yelling at a kid or athlete will make him tough, or playing football will make men out of them. Hogwash! That's that neanderthal, machismo crap.

There is more than one way to get a message across to athletes.

My high school baseball coach was a Chicago cop. You would think this cat would be the meanest S.O.B. on the planet, that he would be a drill sergeant. He wasn't. Sure, he got on us like most coaches do, but he wasn't anything like Sean Woods.

And we were one of the more successful schools in the city.

It was ironic that the first two black head coaches to reach the Super Bowl (Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith) had exactly the same demeanor. Reserved and laid back. Not the typical image we all have for pro football coaches, right? Amazing that it could even be possible!

And I don't think kids being coddled is anything new. Athletes, at least the really good ones, have always been coddled and received special treatment due to their unique athletic ability, and what that athletic ability could do for their parents, schools and communities at-large.

The way we salivate during recruiting season, or when national signing day is right around the corner, would make any young athlete head grow nine sizes. So, were all responsible for what we don't like. I, on the other hand, am meh about it because these collegiate coaches have way more power than the athletes do anyway thanks to the NCAA.
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Each coach style is different and one is either right or wrong. Players responded to the aggressive style of Bobby Knight, John Cheney, or the style of Tony Dungy and Coach John Gagliardi who broke Coach Robinson's record and players said he never used a curse word, but could get his point over to the kids. We need to go back to where authority is the authority, as long he don't abuse it.
 
wahines said:
Each coach style is different and one is either right or wrong. Players responded to the aggressive style of Bobby Knight, John Cheney, or the style of Tony Dungy and Coach John Gagliardi who broke Coach Robinson's record and players said he never used a curse word, but could get his point over to the kids. We need to go back to where authority is the authority, as long he don't abuse it.
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kendrick said:
Doesn't matter. They still are human beings who are fallable. Like I said, there isn't just one effective method to coach athletes.
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I agree because coaches has to realize that different players respond to different methods.
 
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