Islam and Christianity.


Dr H.. said:
Will anyone answer my questions concerning the Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Catholics and others, as it relates to their denial of Christ as the Savior? In fact the Catholics are the worst of the bunch. However, will ?So Called? Christians continue to attack only the Muslims / Islam?

Classical Jews - Still waiting for Messiah; not Christian, but still God's chosen.
Messianic Jews - name says enough
Catholics - Jesus as Savior; saints as intercessors; priests for absolution.
JW - seem to switch every few years
Mormons - They have this "other book" which only one guy ever got access to and no one knows where it came from or went; the other book is considered right where it contradicts the Bible; the supposed translation has some of the same errors that the KJV has; their doctrine changes with each new leader of the organization. Not Christian in my book.

Demographically, all are attackers in the classical sense.
 



Dr H.. said:
But are still lost, because they rejected Christ as the savior. "Today"" Christians are the chosen ones.

Both correct. The scripture still holds Israel as God's chosen people and we know that eschatology shows that significant numbers of Israeli's will be saved through the events that surround them.
 
imho, I believe this is a yes/no answer. the jews, christians and islam all share roots. in that sense we do share/worship the same God. the problem with that is neither the jews(most jews anyway) or muslims recognize the divinity of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that Jesus was God made flesh. That is to say that He was God. to recognize Jesus as a prophet only and not as God is in essence to reject him. If you reject the son, you reject the father. Same for Jews that totally reject Jesus as the Christ or a prophet.

As for those staticstics someone put up about Christians and what they commonly believe, my wife has a saying that inevitably true. One of two things happen, either you change your behavior to match your beliefs or...you change your beliefs to match your behavior. which one have we done?
 
Even though we worship the same God, we do not have the same beliefs. We as Christians believe Jesus when he said no one can get to the father but through me. Now, if you believe that Jesus exist, you must believe his teachings. Regardless of your religion or denomination, if you do not live your life as he prescribed, you will be judged accordingly.

We attack Islam for convenience. It is interesting that those committing violence in the name of Islam are not living up to the tenets that it prescribes. Its "patriotic" to be anti-Islamic right now.

As for various denominations, i'll say that some of them distort the truth so much that they are essentially cults. Any beliefs that are not Bible-based are unfounded. We should live our lives according to the Bible. Now, some Bible versions are distorted so be careful.

Jews rejected Jesus but that made it possible for us(non-Jew, Greek) to have a chance at everlasting life. Jehovah's Witness are a cult because their beliefs are based on a man's opinion. Yes there is some truth intertwined with the falsehoods they teach, but you cannot be a baby and determine them. If their founder is correct, why is it he twice predicted the end of the world with the dates coming and passing? Their version of the bible is real subtle.
The Catholic church teaches non biblical ideas. While I would'nt call them a cult, I would advise members of that denomination to study their Bible. The Mormon church is the biggest cult there is. While the lay person might not see this initially, they regard the book of Mormon in higher regards than the Bible.

If you are in a church, and you cannot fully accept or believe the doctrine that they are teaching then you are in the wrong place. I believe that there are saved people in a lot of churchs. If they are saved, they became so the same way I did. We should live aour lives according to the Bible, not Rev. Dollar or Deacon Backslide.

Most denominations came about because of differences of opinion. Remember it is not about our opinion. It is about the word. The Bible says that there is nothing new under the sun. Think about this; those religions/denominations that change some of their core beliefs are not true. Beliefs like Black people are cursed, monogamy is ok. God is the same today as he was yesterday and will be tomorow. If it was true, a change would not have been necessary.

Thank you for letting me speak. God Bless!
 
Dr H.. said:
I am not sure if people really understand Christianity. It goes much deeper than what we learn in Sunday school and Church Service. I know, that a majority of ?So-Called? Christians does not understand the ?Church? and it obvious, because of the beliefs of the different denomination and their belief.

As I understand Islam - and that is very limited - Muslims and Christians DO NOT worship the same God.

So what?s the difference between ?the God of Islam? and ? the God of Christianity??

Is it because thy do not use the word God. If that?s the case, then we are in error, because we do not use the same name for ?God? as the Hebrews. Remember, the word God was used by the non-Hebrews and is used in the Bible as a substitute. The Hebrews had many names for ?God? so would I be in error if I said I worship any of the following.

EL: God
ELOHIM:
EL SHADDAI:
JEHOVAH:
JEHOVAH-SHALOM:
JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH:
GAOL: "
MAGEN: "Shield
ZUR:
KURIOS: (kurios)
I AM
THEOS: (yeos)
SOTER: (soter)
Advocate

Malachi calls Messiah "The Sun of Righteousness" (Malachi 4:2).
Isaiah calls Messiah "Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God (El Gibhor), Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isa. 9:6).

The word God mean all the above, depending on how it is used in the scripture. If I was new on the board and said that I "Worship" ABHIR, most, if not all would think that he is crazy. The word [ABHIR] mean 'Mighty One' and He [God] is the Might One.

We need to be careful in condemning another person?s belief. The word Allah, mean submission to God. Most of the time we do not agree with someone or something, is because we do not understand.

Remember we are reading a "Transliteration of an Acient Text" and not the actual text. It would be interesting to read the original text and see exactly what word the Hebrews used for God. Pluse the word "God" is generic.


Thats very deep my brother. :tup:
 
We attack Islam for convenience


Well said and the attack is due to ignorance.

As I have asked this question many times. Why do so called ?Christians? attack only Muslims / Islam. While not realizing that some of the so-called Christians do not accept Christ, to include Jehovah Witness, Jews, Catholics [Worship Mary, more than the Father or Son] and Mormons, however, some so-called Christians will fellowship with them, while rejecting others. Now to me that sound as if Christianity infiltrated with hypocrites.

Some Catholics still believe that the Pope [Non-Biblical Name] has the authority to forgive sins and represents God and that Peter was the first Pope. All of this is contrary to the word of God, when will ?Christians? attack their beliefs and practices. Peter, never declared himself as being a Pope.
 
Some of the Catholic's beliefs can be traced back to the old testament. The Jews were instructed to bring their sins to the priest (Aaron at the time). Aaron would grant them atonement. The problem is that those ways do not apply to us and never has. We are supposed to be the New Testament Church.
 
The difference can be summed up very simple....

Islam recognize (or believe in) Jesus Christ..While Christians recognize Jesus Christ, and Christ Jesus....

It amazes me though, how Christianity is the youngest of all the major religions, but wants to dictate to the other religions on how, and who to worship.
 
Incipience said:
The difference can be summed up very simple....

Islam recognize (or believe in) Jesus Christ..While Christians recognize Jesus Christ, and Christ Jesus....

It amazes me though, how Christianity is the youngest of all the major religions, but wants to dictate to the other religions on how, and who to worship.

Islam is the youngest of major religions. Check your history.
 
..... Christianity is the youngest of all the major religions, but wants to dictate to the other religions on how, and who to worship.

Not true

Christianity, Judaism and Islam traces its roots back to the patriarch Abraham (Gen. 12). However, the actual organized movement started with Judaism. Ones of the biggest myths is that Christianity [church] started on Pentacost, the bible teaches that God had purposed the church before the foundation of the world.
 
Dr H.. said:
Not true

Christianity, Judaism and Islam traces its roots back to the patriarch Abraham (Gen. 12). However, the actual organized movement started with Judaism.

Excellent. If we allow man made labels to take away from the way of life that God has chosen for us, we will never be what he truly wishes us to be.
 
Attack

If we allow man made labels to take away from the way of life that God has chosen for us, we will never be what he truly wishes us to be.

So true, that?s why all of the religious institutions we read about are ?Not The Church? they are man made and adhere to man made doctrine.

Its sad how man so-called educated ?Preachers and Theologians? continue to dismiss Islam, because of a few radical that uses the Koran / Islam as an excuse to take a human life. However, these same individuals do not whisper one word about the like of Jim Jones, David Koresh [Vernon Wayne Howell] , Eric Robert Rudolph and other that uses the Bible / Christianity to justify their bombings of Federal and State Office Buildings, Abortion Clinics, homes and Churches.


Side note

I was at the Boston-Moon Track Classic last Saturday at TN State and had an opportunity to talk with some of the A&M [Men & Women] Track Team. The are a very nice group of young men and women.
 
Dr H.. said:
Attack

Side note

I was at the Boston-Moon Track Classic last Saturday at TN State and had an opportunity to talk with some of the A&M [Men & Women] Track Team. The are a very nice group of young men and women.

Thanks.
 



J C said:
Islam is the youngest of major religions. Check your history.


I know that...wanted to see how many of you that posts frequently in this room, actually know about the sacred laws and theology.
 
Dr H.. said:
Not true

Christianity, Judaism and Islam traces its roots back to the patriarch Abraham (Gen. 12). However, the actual organized movement started with Judaism. Ones of the biggest myths is that Christianity [church] started on Pentacost, the bible teaches that God had purposed the church before the foundation of the world.

Dr. H, thats true what you say of the two coming from the one. However, even Judaism did not start the organized movement. I can make an argument using the Hindu's and Egyptians.

I noticed that no one commented on my first statement. I wonder why
 
Incipience said:
...I noticed that no one commented on my first statement. I wonder why
There was no need to comment. You are correct.

John 14:1-7

14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
KJV

Jesus is the only way.
 
Dr. H, thats true what you say of the two coming from the one. However, even Judaism did not start the organized movement. I can make an argument using the Hindu's and Egyptians

Negative my friend!

Judaism has its roots firmly placed in organized religion, not buy man but by God. If you want to separate the meat from the bone “Notice”

Judaism, to began with, the “Jews’” their traditional ancestors are Hebrews [God’s chosen people]. This name comes from “Eber,” {ay'-ber} (Genesis 10:21) which means those that crossed dedicate, devote, over or "the region beyond" We can go back even further to the name “Shem,” a son of Noah. Noah and his sons were organized in their religion, [handed down from Shem] in fact we can go back to Adam, he and his family [Eve, Cain, Abel, Shem and their other Sons and Daughters] was organized in t heir religion [dedication to God].

How did the “Hebrew” become Jews? After t he death of King Solomon [922 B.C.] the nation of Israel was torn apart by a civil war. It ended with the nation divided in two, commonly known as the Divided Kingdom. The Northern part was called Israel [Abraham grandson, formerly known as Jacob], hence the name Israelites and the Southern part was called “Judah” hence, Judaism. Judaism was their “religion” which was based on the laws of the Torah.

Abraham was a Hebrew / Jew. How did he know God and understand “organized religion” in the book of Jasher, it states Abraham was raised and taught by Noah for 39 years, from age 11 to 49 (Jasher 8:36, 9:6, 11:13). [The Book of Jasher, Josh 10;13; 2 Sam. 1:18].

According to the Jewish calendar and using the birth and death of his family members, Abraham was born around 2051 B.C. which would make Abraham and adult practicing organized religion {Hebrew or Judaism} before the actual existence of Hinduism, Islam [2000 B.C] or any other religious movement.

What was ayour first statement.
 
Dr H said:
According to the Jewish calendar and using the birth and death of his family members, Abraham was born around 2051 B.C. which would make Abraham and adult practicing organized religion {Hebrew or Judaism} before the actual existence of Hinduism, Islam [2000 B.C] or any other religious movement.

Wasn't Egypt in decay by 2051 B.C.?
 
dacontinent said:
As I understand Islam - and that is very limited - Muslims and Christians DO NOT worship the same God. Embracing Jesus as some prophet and not Christ substantiates that premise. ?Eloeeynuw? (Deut 6:4) is very different from Allah.


there is only ONE GOD.



Alhumdilah.
 
Incipience said:
The difference can be summed up very simple....

Islam recognize (or believe in) Jesus Christ..While Christians recognize Jesus Christ, and Christ Jesus....

It amazes me though, how Christianity is the youngest of all the major religions, but wants to dictate to the other religions on how, and who to worship.

Just let me say this about the "youth" of Christianity.

Don't focus your attention on years. God's way has always been here. It was recognize by God through Noah. It was displayed by Moses. It was taught by Jesus. All of the ways of man were flawed. So Christianity provided a perfect person to give us the right solution. Christianity is the completion of what was started with Adam. Remember the Hebrews weren't promised what we are promised.
 
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