Islam and Christianity.


Lost tribes, there are no such things as the lost tribes. Please explain your concept of the "Lost Tribes"

Christian Government?
 
there were 12 tribes of Israel. the records of those tribes have been lost but in the last days all Jews will return to the holyland. It is believed that the records that will allow us to trace our ancestory will be found, and we will then know who the members of these tribes are. there are some that believe that our (african-american) ancestors were in fact origionally from the tribe of shem and b/c of persecution had migrated to africa. eventually these immigrants were sold into slavery including the trans atlantic slave trade and are planted all throughout the carribian and americas.

in regard to Christian gov't, I am refering to the crusades which basically sought to plunder under the veil of spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. there is no mandate in Christian teaching to set up Christian (religious) world gov't as their appears to be in other faiths. the United States could be considered close to it....but everyone that lives here and is a person of faith knows that is not really the case.
 



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Bartram said:
Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Abd al-Muttalib circa 570-632, the profit of Islam, was a man of war. He taught his followers to fight for HIS NEW RELIGION. (christianity already existed) He said that your god, Allah, had commanded muslims to take up arms which was no joke because HE fought in numerous battles. Did Jesus fight in any battles???? Nope, Jesus taught peace and tolerance turn the other cheek, not chopping the heads off of your enemies. No, Jesus taught things like LOVE thy enemy. Read the teachings of Jesus. He was/is a revolutionary.
Muhammad didn't teach that, unless they converted or paid a tax to continue in their belief system but under the strict rule of Islamic law and subjugated under muslim rule like blacks were under whites in Jim Crow 20th century America. Jesus said what will happen if one does not convert and it will not be a pretty sight.
Muhammad and Islam's warring nature is essential to anyone who really wants to understand what
caused the Crusades or now what has led to the rise of the GLOBAL JIHAD MOVEMENT. What caused the Crusades was European greed, ignorance, and arrogance. The dummies killed more Christians at the start of the 1st Crusade than Muslims. Crusade is how they treated the people who brought them out of the dark ages.:smh:

Muhammad ASSUMED the role of prophet. He so called received revelations from Allah through the angel Gabriel and started preaching the worship of One God AND HIS OWN POSITION AS A PROPHET. Muhammad was an illiterate merchant from one of the lower ranks of society. Although he marries into a wealthy family, he was not proficient in Science, Math, or any of the arts. He had not studied Judaism or Chirstianity enough to be well versed in their teachings. If he didn't receive his knowledge from Gabriel, it had to be someone "pretty well connected".
He was not taken seriously by the Quraysh in Mecca who refused to give up their gods. Even his uncle Abu Lahab, REJECTED his message and Muhammad cursed him and his wife which is preserved in the Qur'an,,, i.e., "May the hands of Abu Lahab perish! May he himself perish! Nothing shall his wealth and gains avail him. He shall be BURNT (yeah,, like American soldiers in Falugia. you are consistant must agree) in a flaming fire, and his wife, laden with faggots, shall have a rope of fibre around her neck!" (Qur'an 111:1-5) ,, not too consistent there. today yall just chop off the heads of your enemies. The Romans rejected Jesus but in time became known as "The Holy" Roman Empire.
Just like today a Quraysh chieftain Abu Jahl was beheaded by a muslim who carried the head to Muhammad and said, "I cut off his head and brought it to the apostle, saying, 'This is the head of the enemy of God, Abu Jahl.'" ,,, gee that sounds really familiar to today don't it?

And here are some interesting views of the "religion of peace" today:

Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures" (Qur'an 98:6)

Anyone who insults or even opposes Huhammad or his people deserves a humiliating death - by heheading if possible, in accordance with Allah's command to "smite the necks" of the "unbelievers" (Qur'an 47:4)

And then when you compare Jesus to Muhammad, take Matthew 5:44 and Qur'an 8:60:

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you",,, Matthew 5:44 (,, which personally i think is stupid when you got fanatics willing to kill you by any means necessary.)

then take Muhammad on the other hand:
"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom you may not know, but whom Allah doth know." Qur'an 8:60 (,,, now if the dopey ultra-liberals in this country WOULD LISTEN TO MUHAMMAD AND THE QUR'AN instead of all this PC garbage,, all this crap would come to a head and be over real quick.)Both Jesus and Muhammed explain what what will happen. The end result is still the same, just a matter of timing.

Also, Muslims/Islam see any aggression as a pretext for revenge, regardless of whether they provoked it. Muslims/Islam is good at swaying public opinion now days and as such Jihadists and your PC allies in the U.S. on the left use current events as pretests to justify things islamic fundamentalists do. You portray yourselves as merely REACTING to grievous provocations from the enemies of Islam/errr the U.S.,, and win poppular opinion. The bottom line is jihadists were fighting long before Abu Ghraib, Iraq, Israel, OR AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE!!!!!! Islam has been fighting and imitating your warrior Prophet every since the seventh century but spinning it as only having to do so because of your enemies!Anytime you get involved in the business of others you are asking for problems. Thomas Jefferson basically said that when he reflects that God is just he trembles for his country and he was a founding father!!!

if you are muslim you will say christianity is not real. if you are christian you will say islam is not real. both sides have been killing since they originated, no one or the other is perfect. Both are real it's just that many of the people who follow them may not be.
today/now, it's islamic fundamentalists WHO ARE COMMITTING GENOCIDE AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE so THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THIS NATIONS/CHRISTIANS. "Let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone"
All things equal,, this nation/christians need to take a page out of the Qur'an,, oh but no, that would be POLITICALLY INCORRECT in a nation like the U.S. where ISLAM can thrive and christianity is under more attack THAN ISLAM!Muslims civil liberties are not the only ones under attack in America.

Also,, would have to ask, if you could have your way, would you like for this country to be converted to Islam and the government to become an Islamic regeme like Iran etc? Do you think this would SOLVE all the problems of this country and the world???? This is the bottom line once you get beyond all this rubbish on a (relatively) FREE AND OPEN FORUM like this IN AN HCC (Historically Christian Country). On the other hand,,, I would ask you,,, if a person was in an ISLAMIC/MUSLIM country and was opposed to ISLAM like YOU are opposed to Christianity,,,, would they have the freedom to say so like you do here?????The problem is the practice, or lack there of, and not the religion.

Look at what happened to the guy in Europe that wrote the "Satanic Verses" i think it was that was considered an insult to Islam/Muslims. Granted, he was killed by a fanatical private citizen,, but what if you ran a website like this in countries ruled by islamic fundamentalist leaders; you gonna sit here and tell me that we could have this exchange in thos countries and groups and the media be so anti-islam/muslim in a predominantly muslim/islamic country as we are here when it comes to being anti-christian??????? i mean please.Are these exchanges due to the christian hearts of those in power or did they come threw the suffering, sacrifice, and loss of life of many people, the majority being Christian?
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It is not a true Christian way but a devilish way how you reference Muhammed as a "profit". Not Christian at all.:smh:
 
Tribe of Shem???

That's a new one. Shem was one of the sons of Noah.

?The tribes of Israel was based on descent from the twelve sons of Jacob (Gen 29:32-30:24; 35:16-18), Shem was not one of Jacobs son's.

Blacks are offsprings from Noah's son Ham, Whites (Japheth) and Jews (Shem).
 
major095 said:
there were 12 tribes of Israel. the records of those tribes have been lost but in the last days all Jews will return to the holyland. It is believed that the records that will allow us to trace our ancestory will be found, and we will then know who the members of these tribes are. there are some that believe that our (african-american) ancestors were in fact origionally from the tribe of shem and b/c of persecution had migrated to africa. eventually these immigrants were sold into slavery including the trans atlantic slave trade and are planted all throughout the carribian and americas.

in regard to Christian gov't, I am refering to the crusades which basically sought to plunder under the veil of spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. there is no mandate in Christian teaching to set up Christian (religious) world gov't as their appears to be in other faiths. the United States could be considered close to it....but everyone that lives here and is a person of faith knows that is not really the case.
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Mormonism?? Joseph Smith's revelation? Salamander?
 
Dr H.. said:
Tribe of Shem???

That's a new one. Shem was one of the sons of Noah.

?The tribes of Israel was based on descent from the twelve sons of Jacob (Gen 29:32-30:24; 35:16-18), Shem was not one of Jacobs son's.

Blacks are offsprings from Noah's son Ham, Whites (Japheth) and Jews (Shem).
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Dr. H,

You know the Mormans weren't going to let us Hamites into Smith's Heaven until about 25 years ago...and they still haven't come up with a way to rewrite all of that history and D&C now that the likes of Gladys Knight have joined the LDS.

I know...I shouldn't be pickin' at folks so early in the discussion.
 
Dr H.. said:
Blacks are offsprings from Noah's son Ham, Whites (Japheth) and Jews (Shem).
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Genetically speaking, we are the original people of the planet earth.

Bibically speaking, Adam was made from African Dust.

Qu'ranically speaking, Adam was made from black mud.
 
Attack Dog said:
Genetically speaking, we are the original people of the planet earth.

Bibically speaking, Adam was made from African Dust.

Qu'ranically speaking, Adam was made from black mud.
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Very interesting.
 
Attack Dog said:
Genetically speaking, we are the original people of the planet earth.

Bibically speaking, Adam was made from African Dust.

Qu'ranically speaking, Adam was made from black mud.
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We who?
 
Dr H.. said:
Tribe of Shem???

That's a new one. Shem was one of the sons of Noah.

?The tribes of Israel was based on descent from the twelve sons of Jacob (Gen 29:32-30:24; 35:16-18), Shem was not one of Jacobs son's.

Blacks are offsprings from Noah's son Ham, Whites (Japheth) and Jews (Shem).
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thanks, my clarification and correctionL abraham is a desendant of shem. he and others like him and their descendants were known as semetic thus any one from the 12 tribes would be descendants of shem and be considered Jews. as for the african connections to the 12 tribes and specifically the 10 lost tribes:

south africa: Genetic testing has determined that men of the Lemba, a black, Bantu-speaking people, have the Y chromosome of the Jewish priestly class, the Cohanim. It is rare among non-Jews. The Lemba observe kosher-like dietary laws and seem more Middle Eastern than African. They may have come from Yemen.

Infoplease Atlas: Ethiopia

Ethiopia: Some 65,000 Ethiopian Jews from different groups have moved to Israel since 1974. Israel's chief rabbis believe they are descended from the lost tribe of Dan. Others say they are descended from King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. Many Ethiopians were so isolated they thought all Jews were black. They did not know of the standardization of Jewish law, the Talmud, or Hanukkah
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...ael,+africa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5&ie=UTF-8
 
Attack Dog said:
Genetically speaking, we are the original people of the planet earth.

Bibically speaking, Adam was made from African Dust.

Qu'ranically speaking, Adam was made from black mud.
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Black mud?? African Dust???
 
dac

Are you serious Gladys Knight? I knew there were a quite a few blacks becoming part of the Mormon Movement. It?s sad how blacks can be so easily misled. I am wondering how many brothers will have 10 ? 12 white wives and how many sisters are willing to become the only black wife living with ten white women of a Mormon husband. I am only guessing who will be responsible for doing a majority of the house work.

?African Dust? definitely so, what is now called the Middle East was part of Africa, just as Egypt. It was in the 1940?s or 50?s the Middle East came into existence after the digging of the Suez Canal [an artificial waterway]. The (European Jew) keep attempting to disown their African Heritage.

I was talking with one of our IT people from Ethiopia and we were talking about him speaking Arabic. He said ?I also speak Hebrew? I said what, who did you learn Hebrew from, he stated ?Grand parents, the spoke fluent Hebrew. Remember the Hebrew is our brothers. But they try to disown us, but you cannot separate brothers and blood by living in a different land.

Ya?ll know I will be talking to Ishmael Ibram, yes his name is Ishmael Ibram (Ishmael Abraham / Abram).
 
Another great bit of ideology from the religion of "peace". this is such a joke calling islam the religion of peace,, I don't for the LIFE of me see how blacks so easily GOBBLE THIS UP!! GIVE ME A BREAK!! now i know why black americans by and large gobble it up,,, because we must be against Bush/reps/white people, whatever,,, but the hypocracy is just too ridiculous to take seriously to sit up here and drop the "genocide" bombs and criticize the U.S. for meeting the Jihadist on their terms. here you got people who will fight at the drop of a hat espousing all this islamic religion QUICKER THAN THE BLACK GANGS IN URBAN AMERICA!!! i mean please people. and further more, i don't recall black Americans being warned of 911 so no BLACK AMERICANS would show up to work at the World Trade Centers, the Pentagon, and GET ON THE PLANE THAT WENT DOWN YOU,, YOU,,, i'm so furious i can't type!!! yet you sit yourself up here and run all this crap in favor of this religion and their cause?? so what,,, the blacks who were killed deserved it,, is that what you are telling me???? because they were REPUBLICAN? "UNCLE TOMS"? OR WHATEVER????? some of yall just kill me !!! you are unbelievable to me. anyway, here is your leader that you like even better than fellow citizens i guess:

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
World Islamic Front Statement
23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlur Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh


Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since Allah made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on Allah, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty Allah: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty Allah said: "O ye who believe, give your response to Allah and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that Allah cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty Allah also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."

Almighty Allah also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."


you know what? if the Islamic Jihadists where sitting here all docile in passive resistance trying to turn the other cheek LIKE BLACK AMERICANS FOR THE MOST PART DURING THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY NOT BOTHERING NOBODY, JUST WANTING TO DRANK, PARTY, FNCK AND HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS,,, i could somewhat understand your endless excuses, double standards and utter rubbish,, but i don't see the radicle element distinguishing between black and white,, only between religion,,, and if Islam had its way in America,,, ALL THIS BLACK SOCIETY THAT YOU SO FREELY LIVE IN AND ENJOY AND REVEL IN AND ARE SO OUTSPOKEN IN AND HAVE BOOTY SHAKING WOMEN IN AND ALL THE RAP-HIP/HOP MUSIC IN CALLING WOMEN B'S AND H'S THAT BLACK SOCIETY SEEMS TO LOVE SO MUCH-BET-WOULD BE OVER. Now if you sincerely are down with Jihad and would be willing to fight for the cause of Jihad,,, then i have nothing further to say to you,, otherwise,, spare me all the pro-islam this and that other than political rubbish just because Bush/reps are in office and in control WHEN THE SAME DAYUM THING WAS GOING ON WHILE DEMOCRATS/BILL CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!
 



J C said:
Bart, let's kill them all and let God sought it out.:rolleyes:
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JC, you are not speaking to/defending/refuting/criticizing the Fatwa/ideology (there it is right there in front of you) nor answering simple questions posed is the bottom line here. Give me your reasons why this (islam/OBL's Fatwa) is right and christianity is wrong if that's the way you see it breh.

I think you can find faults in anything,, but i still contend that in this "christian" country and the west(and none of you can refute this), islamic radicals and Jihadists ARE BETTER OFF THAN CHRISTIANS IN COUNTRIES CONTROLLED BY MUSLIMS/ISLAMIC REGEMES!! would you just give me a simple "yes" or "no" on that sir? can you do that please? A simple "yes" or "no" sir.
 
Bartram said:
...islamic radicals and Jihadists ARE BETTER OFF THAN CHRISTIANS IN COUNTRIES CONTROLLED BY MUSLIMS/ISLAMIC REGEMES!! would you just give me a simple "yes" or "no" on that sir? can you do that please? A simple "yes" or "no" sir.
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And as long as Judeo-Christian principles are in place in this country and Islamic principles are in place in those other countries, that will continue to be true.
 
Have everyone forgotten that the God we serve is also a God of war as well as peace.

Just go back and read the OT.
 
Dr H.. said:
Have everyone forgotten that the God we serve is also a God of war as well as peace.

Just go back and read the OT.
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Make no mistake about it, our past conflicts have been motivated by finance. Don't forget about freewill. We can't blame God for our actions.
 
O44DOG said:
Make no mistake about it, our past conflicts have been motivated by finance. Don't forget about freewill. We can't blame God for our actions.
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Islamo terrorists can. Every time the insurgents or the Palestinians do something the first thing they do is tout Allah and all Osama Bin Laden keeps telling us is that it's "the will of Allah" that they should strike a blow against the infidel to get the infidel out of Iraq, the middle east. And they could have a point because that's one thing the Quran tells them to do; make war against the non-believer and certain factions of Islam take the Quran very literally.
 
Fortitude said:
I am blessed to know the truth of Jesus! :jump:
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How can someone who proudly calls herself a "RECALCITRANT DIVA!!!" say that she is "blessed to know the truth of Jesus," much less any other degree of truth?

Fort, do you know what recalcitrant means?
 
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