Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Well, what happens when the candidate from the other party fulfills their promises?
I'm Done - Democrats add gay marriage to party platform
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Well, what happens when the candidate from the other party fulfills their promises?
FAMU CLIFF
New Member
I am thinking about going with Johnson. End the drug war, TSA and IRS. Get out of all this foreign wars. Invest in small America, the little guy and small businesses. Move towards a sound money policy.
The Founder
Well-Known Member
It leads people to becoming independent.
The Founder
Well-Known Member
You know it's interesting that you say that. A long time ago I wrote a paragraph at most in a report one of the senior level people researched that came to the conclusion that the U.S. interest in other countries will greatly affect the countries overall strength fiscally in the world. Her research was based on the military, uneven tax base, and the failed war on drugs.
The conclusion was to legalize weed, design an even way to tax people, and finally not be so proactive in the battles of others. Sadly she committed suicide.
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
Well................ They just eroded the support of the Black Churches. Demos never know when to let sleeping dogs sleep. Too much appeasement in the party. Trying to please everyone with everything. Now they just gave the REPUBS a bullet or two to talk shat about.
This is why even though I mostly vote demo or indi, I don't support any PARTY as a whole. I just look at the candidates on both sides and vote for the one that has the most backbone and COMMON SENSE. :tup:
Not if they ultimately serve the same elite interests.
J C
Well-Known Member
The Dems are the progressive party and have been since FDR. The Repubs are the conservative party. Conservatives have fought progressive initiatives such as equal rights for women, black Americans and now gay rights since the country was founded and a secular government was established. The platform initiative is a continuation of the historic march to equal rights and due process outlined in the 14th amendment. I know many of my fellow Christian brethren oppose gays making marital contracts and do not see the connection to equal rights for all American citizens. To me it's very clear. Early Christians developed their anti homosexual beliefs due to the pervasive Greco Roman culture where homosexuality was considered the norm. The church has dealt with this issue for the last 2,000 years and will continue to do so. It's similar to the abortion and evolution/creation issues. Thank God we live in America where we can choose where we come down on these controversial issues based on our beliefs.
Tpop33
Well-Known Member
Even if we as a country could get someone like this in office, there is still the Congress to be dealt with. And none of these ideas would pass. Well I take that back, it depends on what party controls what branch. Some of these ideas would get pa, one branch but not the other. Just look at the whole budget bill, the Democratically controlled Senate passed President Obama's budget, but it will undoubtedly fail in the House. While the Republican controlled House passed their budget, but it is said not to make it pass the Senate and if it does, the President said he will veto it.
People on both sides talk about strong leadership, strong values, being able to stand up to our foreign friends and foes. But what people really want is someone who will listen to them, and do their bidding. If you don't stand for their ideas then you are against them, and if you think that the other side has a good idea, then you're starting to waver and becoming weak. The political parties can't please everyone, and we as individuals will never agree with everything the our particular party believes. We just have to accept it and move on or move to the other party and deal with what we don't agree with over there.
Always remember; in life: You can please some of the people some of the time, You can please some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people, all of the time..........
and neither can the political parties.
J C
Well-Known Member
Historically, America has always been a two party system. Third parties have risen but never achieved governing status. However, third parties philosophies have been adopted or integrated into the two major political parties. See populists, American Independent (George Wallace), Green, and Libertarian. Since Reagan, the Repubs have adopted many of the Libertarians and the Geo Wallace faction positions (anti-government, tax policies). The Dems have adopted many of the Green environmental positions. The Libertarian ideology works well in theory but not in reality. No country including Austria where the Libertarian ideology originates have adopted their social Darwinist policies. Most people in the modern world support a mix system of capitalism and socialism.
Killer Bees
Well-Known Member
I have no problem with civil unions or domestic partnerships. I do not support a government endorsed re-definition of marriage.
When Obama was at the Saddleback church during one of the debates, he stated he believes that marriage was between a man and a woman. Ever since he "evolved", the NAACP declared gay rights as a civil rights issue. WTF???? And now we have the Democratic Party add this as a party platform?????
On the real, I don't care who people sleep with. I do have a problem with this "I am special because I am attracted with the same sex" mentality that seems to be on the increase.
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dacontinent
Preacher
J C
Well-Known Member
Jewish teachings and laws, yes. Early Gentile Christians were living in the pervasive Greco Roman culture. The Church strived to disassociate the early Christians away from the culture.
CEE DOG
Well-Known Member
Bruh I totally understand you, but I am also not losing sight that this election is bigger than gays. We have to realize that Romney is just not the man for president. I mean lets be real, even the republican party is not excited about him. This is not about Obama being a black man, it is about truth be told the better of two candidates. I will never be leaping for joy over two gay people marrying. I believe marriage is between male and female, but I also understand there are people who feel as though me being a black male is less than a human life. Romney is a Mormon, Mormons believe black people have no souls.
Obama has always, going back to his days as an Illinois Senator, been an advocate for gay rights.
June 2008:
Oct 2009:
http://cnsnews.com/node/55346
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dacontinent
Preacher
JagHammer
Senior Troll
This is where I changed my views as well.
ALPHA3
Active Member
Well you can join the other non-voters and just simply not exercise your right to vote. That will make the whole situation better right? All this left wing right wing crap, just take a stance and vote.
If you are not gay, how does this affect you? I am not and I can give less than a damn cause it does not affect how I live, who I date/marry, how I worship, how I am educated etc? It has no affect or effect on my personal life so I have no issue with gay marriage or whatever. We spend too much time getting caught up on the wrong issues. Issues of morality will be debated until the end of time and there is no conclusive right or wrong in those debates (homosexuality, religion, abortion etc) - righting the economy, taxes, education, housing, things that truly matter to your bottom line - those are things that can be debated and we can actually figure out the right and wrong. And I am not saying it is all about money - it's not, my values and my morals shape my being - but I dont let someone else's views of those things affect my home life and day to day life.
If I have neighbors on one side of me that are gay, neighbors on the other side that might have had an abortion, and a jewish family and catholic family in front of me - none of that matters in how I get up and go to work in the morning to support myself and my family. But if all of that is still in tact - and my job lays me off and my bank wants to foreclose - its not my gay neighbors or jewish neighbors that made it happen.
If I have neighbors on one side of me that are gay, neighbors on the other side that might have had an abortion, and a jewish family and catholic family in front of me - none of that matters in how I get up and go to work in the morning to support myself and my family. But if all of that is still in tact - and my job lays me off and my bank wants to foreclose - its not my gay neighbors or jewish neighbors that made it happen.
I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote if they don't believe the candidate have their ward, town or country's best interest in mind. Others have said quite and few politicians are deceptive and scandalous. If that is true, which is more than likely is, why should I or anyone else invest in those people or trust them? I won't and haven't for a long time.
southsuburbs
What I Live By...
But you do...whether you want to or not. :lol:
No one candidate will have everyone's best interest in mind at the same time. What you may consider "your" best interest may not be your nieghbor's best interest, etc. You will not find the perfect candidate. And even if you agree with a candiate on one issue you might disagree with that same candidate on another issue. So what do you do then!?
I can't encourage or demand anyone to vote for anything or anyone if it's not their desire to do so, though, SS.
FAMU CLIFF
New Member
Wise decision, as those who don't go along with agenda will be hit with a backlash. I just don't care anymore. I have a govt job as a 14 with decent prospects of getting a 15 in the field. I am very respectful of others lifestyles at work. I will probably stay in the midwest with maybe a move down South. I am DC a few weeks a month at times. Fun place but would never want to live here.
dacontinent
Preacher
If it affects my family, it affects me.
If it affects my investments, it affects me.
If it affects my insurabilty and insurance charges, it affects me.
Here is a classic example.
A few years back I worked for a Fortune 50 company. There were a number of families that had both the husband and wife working for the company. For decades there was a policy on insurance coverage where the net for the coordination of benefits for those families was that they had no deductible. A sweeping announcement came that
- there would no longer be coordination of benefits for those families;
- the second spouse's policy was going away and he or she would merely be another dependent on the other spouse's policy;
- same-sex life partners would be eligible for coverage the same as the afore-mentioned spousal case;
- coverage would not be extended to heterosexual life partners;
- this was being done despite "life partners" being illegal in almost every state where the company had employees.
This single decision affected my insurance coverage, my investment portfolio, and my retirement plan. There are consequences from every decision. Some will affect me directly. Some will affect the generations that succeed me...which affects me.
CEE DOG, I don't agree with you on a lot of things, but I must say, I agree with you 100% on this.