Jafus (Thinker)
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This is becoming a very interesting and open dialogue seen through the lenses of the various American media sources about the African American/Black Culture with regards to terminology.
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This is becoming a very interesting and open dialogue seen through the lenses of the various American media sources about the African American/Black Culture with regards to terminology.
This is nonsense. Jalen Rose clearly stated this is what was going on in his teenage mind. At what point do the "aggrieved" parties take it at that and leave it alone? I mean really...
FAMU Cliff,
Excellent Points! Now that I think about it, I do not know why as a freshman in college, I had a rooting interest for UNLV over Duke in 1990. Especially, with the school mascot name: Runn'in Rebels. I imagine in 1991, I was pulling for UNLV because I wanted to see history, (i.e. the first undefeated in team in college basketball since the Indiana team). But, now after all I have studied, your explanation makes sense why that may have been the case for me.
Interesting!
It makes me think I may need to read to some more on psychology, especially in terms of sport marketing.
This is the same way Ali was positioned as the peoples champ and Frazier an uncle tom. Although Ali played that up (to sell tickets, but he admitted he took it too far) the media ran with it to sell the product. Bryant Gumbel admits in the HBO special he was caught up in it. The reality was, Ali came from the working -middle class two parent family and Frazier grew up hard core on the streets of Philly.
Calling someone an uncle tom because he was Blessed to have good parents who raised him in a positive environment and was able to go to a certian school is ignorant no matter the age, it is just like kids calling other kids "Acting White", because they choose to use proper grammer, correct english and believe in studying or choose not to wear ghetto baggy clothes. This type of mentality needs to be eliminated period.
I wonder if Grant Hill considered giving back about 99.9% of the money he got from the Orlando Magic during his DISASTROUS stint there. I’m pretty sure his parent taught him to work for his money and take no hand outs. He barely could stay on the court.
Kudos to Grant Hill. So many young black 18 year olds feel the way Jalen did. As if it's a negative to come from a good family background being black. It needs to stop.
This is a BS response by Grant. There was no need for him to comment. J. Rose made it very clear that his "Uncle Tom" comment was how he felt at that time (back when he was 19). He clearly doesn't think that now. Grant knows this, and those of you on here giving Grant a pat on the back know this as well.
Damn shame :shame:
if any of u are on twitter, go to Jalen's page and look at the link he posted in reference to Elton Brand and "The Love" they showed him when he left early.
How many of these same cats haven't felt the same way, even at their current age> I never felt that way about Duke(although I've never been a fan), but I have heard grown men say the same thing about Duke and the Black athletes that play for them. If most are honest, they will admit that they have at least heard some say similar things whether they agree with it or not. It was/is a perception that's out there.
I think a lot of people who criticize Jalen, and his Fab 4 brothers (the ones who participated in the documentary) don't fully understand their point of view, because they didn't walk in theirs shoes as recruits, or didn't have the upbringing those kids had, to understand where they were coming from. How could they not feel that way, when they're amongst the most talented kids in the country, and not have Duke recruit them, with the exception of C. Webb. If you were growing up in the inner-city, and you didn't have educated parents, and you didn't swing in those kinds of circles, you don't know any better, especially if you sitting around chopping it up with your boys, and your family with everybody saying the same thing, that black kids at Duke ain't nothing but some Uncle Toms.
More than likely if you're a kid of the 60's, and 70's, you grew up in households with a certain viewpoint about whites, and their schools, and it wasn't a good viewpoint. As many of you have mentioned, Jalen made the comment speaking from his teenage point of view, and he can't be faulted for it now that he's matured, and knows better. It would be real interesting to see the Duke's players point of view if they're honest, to see how many of the blacks that went there, if they looked down on poor & hood blacks, as a lot of affluent blacks do.
The funny thing is Georgetown (a private school just as prestigious as Duke) wouldn't have had the following they had from blacks in the 80's if John Thompson hadn't convinced the administration at G'Town that he could take black kids from at-risk neighborhoods, and bring them into GT, and not only get them to win games, but blend in with the student body, and turn them into productive citizens.
I don't fault Duke for the way they consider taking student athletes it's their choice, and it works for them, but you can't fault black KIDS for the way they feel about them either, especially seeing there's a very large faction of blacks who feel the same way, and they're not even close to being recruited.
NICE
I think a lot of people who criticize Jalen, and his Fab 4 brothers (the ones who participated in the documentary) don't fully understand their point of view, because they didn't walk in theirs shoes as recruits, or didn't have the upbringing those kids had, to understand where they were coming from. How could they not feel that way, when they're amongst the most talented kids in the country, and not have Duke recruit them, with the exception of C. Webb. If you were growing up in the inner-city, and you didn't have educated parents, and you didn't swing in those kinds of circles, you don't know any better, especially if you sitting around chopping it up with your boys, and your family with everybody saying the same thing, that black kids at Duke ain't nothing but some Uncle Toms.
More than likely if you're a kid of the 60's, and 70's, you grew up in households with a certain viewpoint about whites, and their schools, and it wasn't a good viewpoint. As many of you have mentioned, Jalen made the comment speaking from his teenage point of view, and he can't be faulted for it now that he's matured, and knows better. It would be real interesting to see the Duke's players point of view if they're honest, to see how many of the blacks that went there, if they looked down on poor & hood blacks, as a lot of affluent blacks do.
The funny thing is Georgetown (a private school just as prestigious as Duke) wouldn't have had the following they had from blacks in the 80's if John Thompson hadn't convinced the administration at G'Town that he could take black kids from at-risk neighborhoods, and bring them into GT, and not only get them to win games, but blend in with the student body, and turn them into productive citizens.
I don't fault Duke for the way they consider taking student athletes it's their choice, and it works for them, but you can't fault black KIDS for the way they feel about them either, especially seeing there's a very large faction of blacks who feel the same way, and they're not even close to being recruited.
NICE
I think a lot of people who criticize Jalen, and his Fab 4 brothers (the ones who participated in the documentary) don't fully understand their point of view, because they didn't walk in theirs shoes as recruits, or didn't have the upbringing those kids had, to understand where they were coming from. How could they not feel that way, when they're amongst the most talented kids in the country, and not have Duke recruit them, with the exception of C. Webb. If you were growing up in the inner-city, and you didn't have educated parents, and you didn't swing in those kinds of circles, you don't know any better, especially if you sitting around chopping it up with your boys, and your family with everybody saying the same thing, that black kids at Duke ain't nothing but some Uncle Toms.
More than likely if you're a kid of the 60's, and 70's, you grew up in households with a certain viewpoint about whites, and their schools, and it wasn't a good viewpoint. As many of you have mentioned, Jalen made the comment speaking from his teenage point of view, and he can't be faulted for it now that he's matured, and knows better. It would be real interesting to see the Duke's players point of view if they're honest, to see how many of the blacks that went there, if they looked down on poor & hood blacks, as a lot of affluent blacks do.
The funny thing is Georgetown (a private school just as prestigious as Duke) wouldn't have had the following they had from blacks in the 80's if John Thompson hadn't convinced the administration at G'Town that he could take black kids from at-risk neighborhoods, and bring them into GT, and not only get them to win games, but blend in with the student body, and turn them into productive citizens.
I don't fault Duke for the way they consider taking student athletes it's their choice, and it works for them, but you can't fault black KIDS for the way they feel about them either, especially seeing there's a very large faction of blacks who feel the same way, and they're not even close to being recruited.
NICE
Great Post. That is exactly how folks view it. Hell Duke aint going to recruit poor white kids from trailer parks either. Somebody like White Chocolate Williams who played HS ball with Randy Moss and is in the NBA now. It is an elite attitude that they have. Certain kind of kids they go after. I think after Elton Brand and Will Avery left their Soph year along with Corey Maggette who was a Freshman. Coach K was like fugg that recruiting those kind of kids with NBA ego dreams. Had they stayed, that team was about to get even better. Shane Battier was already there and I think Jay Williams (who parents are Ohio State alums) was coming the next season. Duke would have been really loaded.