Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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Re: Penn State should decide to sit out one year

Tigerpride said:
But there was no evidence until now. You have to fully understand the "Week Later" Theory to understand how it applies. MH can explain it to you.

And as far as when and who McQuery testified to, I don't know details like that. All I know and still believe if that IF Paterno's involvement was brought to light in 2001, he would not have been coaching. he should have never made it to 20011.
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If there wasn't evidence, then Paterno and McQuery and Co. wouldn't have been asked to testify to the grand jury. This whole investigation started in 2008, which would debunk the "Week Later theory."
 
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GoodFella said:
Any report involving this. This is the classic sweep it under the rug tactic at its finest. Hand out a few fines and since something was considered done about it lets move on. Sad...
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Well, that is what we and the NCAA have to deal with. If something is under the rug, we have to find the person with the broom and prosecute him too but for now, we have 4 people who are responsible. We have nothing beyond that. What you are saying is why probation is a justifiable punishment. If this stuff continues to happen, then we could see stiffer penalties but I can't foresee anything like this at another university ever.
 



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That Sandusky is taking the fall for the program and he wasnt the only person at PSU involved in molesting kids.
jag4life said:
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Soooo... what DO you believe and where did you get the info if you don't believe ANY reports?
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kendrick said:
If there wasn't evidence, then Paterno and McQuery and Co. wouldn't have been asked to testify to the grand jury. This whole investigation started in 2008, which would debunk the "Week Later theory."
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So what if the investigation started in 2001 and blew up in 2005? Same difference right? Paterno would have been sitting at home since 2005.
 
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Exactly, Sandusky took the fall now they have an excuse to keep the program going since "something was done about it"
CEE DOG said:
The players knew what was happening. No way no one on that roster from 1970-2010 or what ever did not know what was going on. They chose to be quite for the love of football and PSU. The players knew if they spoke up they would lose their scholarships. It is just like everyone in the frat or on campus knows hazing is going on or someone being hazed, yet no one says anything because at out schools we know that is the tradition.
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GoodFella said:
That Sandusky is taking the fall for the program and he wasnt the only person at PSU involved in molesting kids.
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I bet you some of them players participated in the rump roast. No way you can be a player and not walk in the locker room and see this. It is just like being in the band, any one who has marched has seen someone hazed.
 
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GoodFella said:
Why not? Children were molested bottom line, unacceptable. If it isnt a rule one should be instilled from this day forward....
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Yes, that is right and that has been proven but you can't take another step without proof. PERIOD. You done went all the way to China by trying add stuff on. Don't reach so far if you have a strong case. You sound like a Republican now.
 
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Tigerpride said:
Dude, I don't have converstions with you. I think you see dead people.
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In that case, you don’t have to worry about the decease, since they are already dead. It is living people like you that are quietly watching grown men snatching little boy’s butts.
 
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Something that has been going on since the 70s should take more than 7 months to investigate Im just saying....
Tigerpride said:
Yes, that is right and that has been proven but you can't take another step without proof. PERIOD. You done went all the way to China by trying add stuff on. Don't reach so far if you have a strong case. You sound like a Republican now.
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I don't want to jinx it, but this thread is 200+ posts in and hasn't been interrupted by senseless name calling and smack even though the opinions have been divided during this debate. Keep it up, guys. LOL
 
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GoodFella said:
Something that has been going on since the 70s should take more than 7 months to investigate Im just saying....
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I don't disagree with you there. The investigation is not over but for now, you have 4 men.. Deal with them, put the program on 3-5 probation and see if anything else pops up that warrants a death penalty. As of right now, we don't have enough for that. The NCAA can only deal with the facts.
 
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JAG89 said:
I bet if you check other Big-10 schools, there's a connection.
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I wouldn't go that far. Penn State wrong doings have nothing to do with the rest of the Big 10 or any conference. It is not like some evil as heinous as this is just inherent at all these FBS schools just because Penn St folks did it. That's like saying every SWAC school coach does the same isht that Johnnie Cole did to TxSU and left them on probation. I am not saying bad isht aint happening on a lot of campuses. FBS or FCS. We know it does. But the Penn State stuff was ridiculous and self serving to individuals more so than the school. Joe Pa getting that record meant more for him individually than Penn State. Those folks rather have played for the National Title with me and you as coach than for Joe Pa to win another game. LOL. Pure selfishness occured within the ranks at Penn State. And I still think there are folks out there who are guilty in this too.

Hell this makes Jim Tressel look like a saint. He covered up tattoos that were given to players for their own memorabilia. In his case the cover up was worse than the crime. But it did give Ohio State a competitive advantage by him not saying anything. Ole Joe Pa was just trying not to get run out of Happy Valley by a Board who had been after him for years to retire. Like TP said. If this had come out. The board would have made Joe Pa go away. Now of course had he told, it would not be as bad as it is now for Penn State. The coverup makes it worse for them now.
 
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GoodFella said:
Something that has been going on since the 70s should take more than 7 months to investigate Im just saying....
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I agree with you on that one Frat. I think there is a lot more to this than folks know. Joe Pa is dead and can't refute anything and Sandusky is going to die in prison without talking I bet. You know those other folks who will be on trial soon for perjury and some other charge will plead innocent and not talk. They are only up on State charges. They can beat them maybe or plea bargain. If the Feds got involved, which may not be a bad idea. This could get really ugly and a lot more exposed. I think some folks are covering for other pedophiles that may have been hanging out with Sandusky.
 
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JR said:
I agree with you on that one Frat. I think there is a lot more to this than folks know. Joe Pa is dead and can't refute anything and Sandusky is going to die in prison without talking I bet. You know those other folks who will be on trial soon for perjury and some other charge will plead innocent and not talk. They are only up on State charges. They can beat them maybe or plea bargain. If the Feds got involved, which may not be a bad idea. This could get really ugly and a lot more exposed. I think some folks are covering for other pedophiles that may have been hanging out with Sandusky.
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Do you think the victims should tell the authorities if there are other sick bastards that were involved in this heinous crime? How come it isn't documented in the Freeh Report?
 
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mighty hornet said:
The penalty wouldn't be against the players. It would be against the school.
Just like it always is.
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The death penalty would directly affect the players.
They are the ones that would have to go through the trouble of transferring, finding another school to play at or sit out a full year and then come back to a shell of a team in the Big 10.
 



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JR said:
I wouldn't go that far. Penn State wrong doings have nothing to do with the rest of the Big 10 or any conference. It is not like some evil as heinous as this is just inherent at all these FBS schools just because Penn St folks did it. That's like saying every SWAC school coach does the same isht that Johnnie Cole did to TxSU and left them on probation. I am not saying bad isht aint happening on a lot of campuses. FBS or FCS. We know it does. But the Penn State stuff was ridiculous and self serving to individuals more so than the school. Joe Pa getting that record meant more for him individually than Penn State. Those folks rather have played for the National Title with me and you as coach than for Joe Pa to win another game. LOL. Pure selfishness occured within the ranks at Penn State. And I still think there are folks out there who are guilty in this too.

Hell this makes Jim Tressel look like a saint. He covered up tattoos that were given to players for their own memorabilia. In his case the cover up was worse than the crime. But it did give Ohio State a competitive advantage by him not saying anything. Ole Joe Pa was just trying not to get run out of Happy Valley by a Board who had been after him for years to retire. Like TP said. If this had come out. The board would have made Joe Pa go away. Now of course had he told, it would not be as bad as it is now for Penn State. The coverup makes it worse for them now.
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I guess when Sandusky went on his overnight travels to other Big 10 school for TWO (2) DECADES or MORE, no one noticed or had any ideal he was doing this to little boys.
 
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CEE DOG said:
Stick it to the man.
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And now lack of instutional control will run wild. Don't scream "the man getting us" when it is used to destroy one of our programs. The players committed no violations yet ya'll on here screaming for their heads.

This was Penn States "Management" and BOARD that did this.
 
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Dr. Phreeze said:
Do you think that the victims would say who are the other sick bastards that were involved in this heinous crime? How come it isn't documented in the Freeh Report?
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I think there are victims who have yet to come forward. This to me still makes no sense for those men to cover for Sandusky all this time. Hell Joe Pa might as well still kept him on the staff instead of letting him "retire" and then set up shop on campus. It is more to it Phreeze and there is some more culprits involved that might have blown the lid on this whole thing. Freeh may have just investigated this cover up and not the whole scope. Remember he didn't know about the guys who are coming forward from the 70s. There are more victims out there and who knows if someone is dead now and can't speak upon all the evil going on and who all was involved. Maybe that's why that DA disappeared. It makes you go hmm. Penn State to me is just the tip of the iceberg. I believe there is more. But the focus is only on Joe Pa and punishing the football program. Hell he is getting hammered more than the perp himself. Some folks are going to get a big pass on this. Like I keep saying. Aint no punishment big enough to stop the money coming into that school. This is just like BP being able to pay off the Gulf for that accident. It was pennies in their pocket. Didn't stop no show. Cost some folks their jobs just like Penn State. It will cost jobs, reputation and such. But their war chest is going to be huge today and be huge in 2017. Death penalty or not. They will pack that stadium the very day they return and football will still be king to them mofos. That's why it don't matter what the NCAA does to them. All it is going to do is appease some folks who want some justice. Not realizing that it aint going to stop them from thinking football is king. THey will just blame it all on Joe Pa and return in whatever year with all the money and recruits like it never happened.
 
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JAG89 said:
I guess when Sandusky went on his overnight travels to other Big 10 school for TWO (2) DECADES or MORE, no one noticed or had any ideal he was doing this to little boys.
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Other teams wouldn't allow an opponent to hang around them, so how would other programs see anything?
 
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jag4life said:
Other teams wouldn't allow an opponent to hang around them, so how would other programs see anything?
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There's no such thing as a BIG 10 Conference kick-off meeting or any type of meeting that would require all coaches and assistant coaches to participate?
 
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JAG89 said:
I guess when Sandusky went on his overnight travels to other Big 10 school for TWO (2) DECADES or MORE, no one noticed or had any ideal he was doing this to little boys.
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Why would someone be hanging out with Sandusky when he is coaching against you? Dude wasn't trying to let everyone in on his secret. The mofo was sick. But I am sure he had enough sense not to trust everybody on the ROAD. Especially folks who hate Penn State. You think some young mofo at Ohio State or Michigan had caught him doing that isht and kept quiet? They would have snitched just to ruin Penn State. LOL. I know you think every FBS school is evil. But I aint buying into that mess. They do their share of dirt. But not everyone was involved in this. In this case since Bear Bryant was such good friends with Joe Pa and hung out. Same for Bobby Bowden. Did they know Sandusky was a pedophile? You will have to indict every school Penn State played on the road during Sandusky's tenure. Every school. And you better include any of the Bowl games and folks around them too. You can't just say the Big 10 schools all knew. Which I doubt any of them did. What better way than to get rid of your competition by leaking a scandal.
 
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JAG89 said:
There's no such thing as a BIG 10 Conference kick-off meeting or any type of meeting that would require all coaches and assistant coaches to participate?
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LOL. The Head Coaches do their media day just like every other conference. It was no reason for Sandusky to be there with Joe Pa. Joe probably had his players and his son with him on those trips. And why do you think other coaches were even cool with Sandusky. While he was chasing boys. Them other mofos were looking for the hoes on those trips. LOL.
 
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