Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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mighty hornet said:
After the report from last week, I don't think its any question the NCAA will get 'em with the lack of institutional control charge. The only question will be what will the penalties entail.
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I wonder, if they get the death penalty, would they go back to rioting again like they did when Joe Paterno was fired?
 
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How do we know that Sandusky was the only one behind it? He is taking the fall for it all while the program gets away scott free. No way in hell Sandusky was the only person at PSU molesting kids. That is why you clean house and start over. We cant go by the reports alone, where there is smoke there is fire. Kill the program and starting over after a few years will be appropriate. Letting them continue on is a gift not punishment. This goes beyond arrests and fines. This was happening on school grounds, just unacceptable.
jag4life said:
There is no way the NCAA bans Penn State from playing football this year.
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JayRob said:
This has nothing to do with putting sports over molested victims. It has to do with not letting one's emotions run wild and wanting to throw the book at everybody, including those who had nothing to do with the abuse.
How will banning a football program rehabilitate the abused victims? That's it, it won't.

Let the judicial system and law enforcement do their job.
Don't give more power and control to a non-elected, over-reaching body that authority to make decisions they have no business doing out of sheer emotion and under the flawed impression that they're doing it for the children.
If the NCAA did anything, they'd be doing it to see how much more power and control it could gain.
It would also give this body of non-elected good ole boys future authority to make even more decisions beyond their scope of power.

Why give this power to one of the most egregious and wicked systems in the U.S.?
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I agree with JayRob. And let this be clear. The NCAA works at the luxury of it's member schools which include Penn State. You better believe attorneys for other schools are telling their Presidents if you allow the NCAA to do this to Penn State then be ready for what's in store for you if some form of cover up happens outside of just benefits or illegal recruiting that gave you a competitive advantage that normally lands a school in trouble with the NCAA. Somebody could sabotage your school just by doing isht like that. Not to mention, when the next woman or women start saying football coaches are sleeping with them gals on campus and getting them pregnant and other isht. But you don't fire the coach and you keep it quiet just because it is a personal issue. Guess what will happen to not only the big schools but to ours. Some personal vendetta may have one of our schools out on streets. While we might not have pedophiles roaming our locker rooms. We do have other isht going around all of our campuses by folks tied to the athletic departments. Witch hunts will be the norm if the NCAA does too much to Penn State. The law will take care of the guilty parties. Public perception is already bad for Penn State. It aint like you are going to break them financially. Them inbreds are still going to contribute even while the death penalty is going on. They would come back with an even bigger war chest. This aint small SMU. Even as rich as SMU folks were. They didn't have the masses of alums that Penn State does. I also think that them folks in Happy Valley were culprits in this too. Not just Penn State. Obviously Sandusky was born and raised in that area and you mean to tell me no one in the community knew he was doing this isht? This is bigger than Penn State football. So if this is a culture in that region. Then you got an even bigger problem than Penn State football. I have been to State College a few times and if folks at Penn State knew about Sandusky so did folks in town. Just like folks probably knew Petrino was fugging that young gal and that Pitino was fugging around in Louisville.
 
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Rated R Superstar said:
Nah. Joe Paterno was going to be head coach until he died regardless if a record was on the line or not. The record wasn't a motivating factor for him to stick around. If it was, he wouldn't have demanded to stay on as head coach even after Sandusky was arrested.

Remember, he came out with a statement saying he was going to coach in the Nebraska game and beyond no matter what. Then school officials fired him over the phone. Dude just wanted to coach the team as long as he was physically able.
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Dude was just arrogant. That is all that showed. He didn't want to be forced out or appear to be fired. He wanted it to appear that he was doing it HIS way. But you are still missing the point, he WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HEAD COACH (AS PROVEN) IF THIS HAD COME OUT SOONER! That is the ONLY point I am trying to make. And I do think that whoever decided to finally leak this intentially decided to (in good faith) wait a week until he broke the record. :lol: I just can't see that being a total coincidence. This gets covered up for YEARS, yet, he breaks the record and the NEXT week, it comes out. I mean, I invented the "Week Later" Theory but it does not explain this.
 
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GoodFella said:
How do we know that Sandusky was the only one behind it? He is taking the fall for it all while the program gets away scott free. No way in hell Sandusky was the only person at PSU molesting kids. That is why you clean house and start over. We cant go by the reports alone, where there is smoke there is fire. Kill the program and starting over after a few years will be appropriate. Letting them continue on is a gift not punishment. This goes beyond arrests and fines. This was happening on school grounds, just unacceptable.
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I bet if you check other Big-10 schools, there's a connection.
 
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DonTiger said:
Hard to argue against institutional control. . . But I think as it relates to the NCAA, it would have to be in conjunction with the way the football program was run or any rules violations going unchecked. . .
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According to the rules, it does appear that way. It's definitely a lack of instituitional control when your Pres, AD and football coach do something like this. I'm sure it's SOMEWHERE in the rulebook even if it's the one that says, "we reserve the right to punish you for any cause detrimental to x, y, and z." That's got to be somewhere?
 
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GoodFella said:
How do we know that Sandusky was the only one behind it? He is taking the fall for it all while the program gets away scott free. No way in hell Sandusky was the only person at PSU molesting kids. That is why you clean house and start over. We cant go by the reports alone, where there is smoke there is fire. Kill the program and starting over after a few years will be appropriate. Letting them continue on is a gift not punishment. This goes beyond arrests and fines. This was happening on school grounds, just unacceptable.
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How do you figure he wasn't the only one? You cn't just say he was and have that stick as a valid statement. And pretty much everyone who was there is gone. The house has been cleaned.
 
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Tigerpride said:
Dude was just arrogant. That is all that showed. He didn't want to be forced out or appear to be fired. He wanted it to appear that he was doing it HIS way. But you are still missing the point, he WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HEAD COACH (AS PROVEN) IF THIS HAD COME OUT SOONER! That is the ONLY point I am trying to make. And I do think that whoever decided to finally leak this intentially decided to (in good faith) wait a week until he broke the record. :lol: I just can't see that being a total coincidence. This gets covered up for YEARS, yet, he breaks the record and the NEXT week, it comes out. I mean, I invented the "Week Later" Theory but it does not explain this.
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The "Week Later" theory doesn't apply, considering Joe Paterno testified in front of a grand jury prior to the start of the 2011 season, and Mike McQuery testified a few years earlier about allegations of Sandusky molesting children. So "it" was already out.
 
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I refuse to believe a report, just me having the sense to see that Sandusky is taking the fall to save the program.
jag4life said:
How do you figure he wasn't the only one? You cn't just say he was and have that stick as a valid statement. And pretty much everyone who was there is gone. The house has been cleaned.
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GoodFella said:
I refuse to believe a report, just me having the sense to see that Sandusky is taking the fall to save the program.
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Nah, he's probably taking the fall to save the rep of a lot of rich Second Mile board members and donors who were alleged to be boinking boys (who also had connections to Paterno).
 
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kendrick said:
That's why many called for the FAMU band to be suspended, and why folks want Penn State to receive the death penalty.
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Hazing and child molestations are both crimes but two totally different beasts. One is an international phenomenon that is like wildfire out of control. The other is a (hopefully) rare circumstance and isolated incident in a nationally recoginized football program. You can't stop hazing by shutting down a band program for 1, 2, 3, or 10 years. But I don't think we have 2-3 Jerry Sandusky's running around Penn State with a key to the locker room and access to young boys. The Penn State situation is all but closed once they criminally charge those involved. Hazing, is not about to stop. I've seen these 3, 4,7, and 10 year bans...and they never worked.

The solution to the Penn State case should be putting the team on 3 year probation, putting the criminals behind bars. For Paterno, take down the statue and remove wins dating back to the onset of his involvement.
 
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GoodFella said:
I refuse to believe a report, just me having the sense to see that Sandusky is taking the fall to save the program.
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Which report don't you believe? The one that accuses Paterno of a coverup as well?
 
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kendrick said:
Nah, he's probably taking the fall to save the rep of a lot of rich Second Mile board members and donors who were alleged to be boinking boys (who also had connections to Paterno).
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So ya'll are saying this is all a big pedophile ring ran under the guise of Second Mile and Penn State football?
 
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kendrick said:
The "Week Later" theory doesn't apply, considering Joe Paterno testified in front of a grand jury prior to the start of the 2011 season, and Mike McQuery testified a few years earlier about allegations of Sandusky molesting children. So "it" was already out.
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But there was no evidence until now. You have to fully understand the "Week Later" Theory to understand how it applies. MH can explain it to you.

And as far as when and who McQuery testified to, I don't know details like that. All I know and still believe if that IF Paterno's involvement was brought to light in 2001, he would not have been coaching. he should have never made it to 20011.
 



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Tigerpride said:
Hazing and child molestations are both crimes but two totally different beasts. One is an international phenomenon that is like wildfire out of control. The other is a (hopefully) rare circumstance and isolated incident in a nationally recoginized football program. You can't stop hazing by shutting down a band program for 1, 2, 3, or 10 years. But I don't think we have 2-3 Jerry Sandusky's running around Penn State with a key to the locker room and access to young boys. The Penn State situation is all but closed once they criminally charge those involved. Hazing, is not about to stop. I've seen these 3, 4,7, and 10 year bans...and they never worked.

The solution to the Penn State case should be putting the team on 3 year probation, putting the criminals behind bars. For Paterno, take down the statue and remove wins dating back to the onset of his involvement.
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Jerry Sandusky has been raping boys since the 1970s, and had a three-decade relationship with Paterno. So we don't know when Paterno first became involved or aware of Sandusky's crimes other than what's been reported. Knowing that it would be difficult to take away wins from a certain time.
 
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Tigerpride said:
So ya'll are saying this is all a big pedophile ring ran under the guise of Second Mile and Penn State football?
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Or bigger, i.e. the Big 10 Football Conference. Two decades or more and other schools you play on a regular doesn't see something strange at Penn State.
 
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Tigerpride said:
So ya'll are saying this is all a big pedophile ring ran under the guise of Second Mile and Penn State football?
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I don't know about Penn State part. But it has been intimated that one of the reasons Second Mile was created was to farm boys to very powerful people in the local community.
 
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GoodFella said:
How do we know that Sandusky was the only one behind it? He is taking the fall for it all while the program gets away scott free. No way in hell Sandusky was the only person at PSU molesting kids. That is why you clean house and start over. We cant go by the reports alone, where there is smoke there is fire. Kill the program and starting over after a few years will be appropriate. Letting them continue on is a gift not punishment. This goes beyond arrests and fines. This was happening on school grounds, just unacceptable.
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You can't ban a program on speculation. That is why there is a GRAND Jury investigation. If others are involved, prove it. They had access to all types of evidence. There may be a slew of others but the NCAA can only go on facts and the proof in front of them. If you have to reach into speculation to get a death penalty, you are admitting that there is no evidence there.
 
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Any report involving this. This is the classic sweep it under the rug tactic at its finest. Hand out a few fines and since something was considered done about it lets move on. Sad...
jag4life said:
Which report don't you believe? The one that accuses Paterno of a coverup as well?
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JAG89 said:
Or bigger, i.e. the Big 10 Football Conference. Two decades or more and other schools you play on a regular doesn't see something strange at Penn State.
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Dude, I don't have converstions with you. I think you see dead people.
 
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GoodFella said:
Any report involving this. This is the classic sweep it under the rug tactic at its finest. Hand out a few fines and since something was considered done about it lets move on. Sad...
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Soooo... what DO you believe and where did you get the info if you don't believe ANY reports?
 
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The players knew what was happening. No way no one on that roster from 1970-2010 or what ever did not know what was going on. They chose to be quite for the love of football and PSU. The players knew if they spoke up they would lose their scholarships. It is just like everyone in the frat or on campus knows hazing is going on or someone being hazed, yet no one says anything because at our schools we know that is the tradition. You didn't have to attend FAMU to know the band hazed. Yet if you played football at PSU you knew lil boys were being raped.
 
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