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Pastors ARE very much people, with all of the vulnerabilities that come along with being human. HOWEVER, the Bible holds us to a higher standard (1 Tim 3; Titus 1) than the laity and certainly to a higher standard than those are are unregenerated.Why? It could have been a trial he was going through. Maybe, if it was drugs, he could have made it through and added to his testimony. Pastors are still people. They are allowed to fall and get back up too.
Superbly stated. Thanks.So much I could say about this and other similar situations that I would not know where to start. I will just say this, for every Pastor or Preacher that may have fallen to sin in front of us, there are still many Pastors and Preachers that are walking in integrity. Believe that...Pray for your Pastors and Preachers that you know but put your trust in God, always...
Not at all. It reflects the higher standard to which one commits to live before God and man.Is "elevated" another man-made principle that has no scriptural basis?
Sounds like it to me.
Yes. Co-sign.So much I could say about this and other similar situations that I would not know where to start. I will just say this, for every Pastor or Preacher that may have fallen to sin in front of us, there are still many Pastors and Preachers that are walking in integrity. Believe that...Pray for your Pastors and Preachers that you know but put your trust in God, always...
Why would a member need to speak with him in private? That's what staff is for. This was not a necessity for Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, or other of God's leaders. Jesus ministry was very effective, even when he was standing on the boat teaching 1000s on the beach (mega church) without him needing to speak with the crowd indivdually in private.Overcome issues and challenges....there is a church here in Ruston where the pastor has not gone to theology but his members are fed the message. I'm just not a mega church fan....you don't receive that special touch in my opinion.
For instance can a member of TD Jakes church walk up to him and ask to speak in private....
ALL of them?The more I hear about these mega-church preachers, the more I'm convinced they are pulpit pimps and their followers are "sheep".
Is "elevated" another man-made principle that has no scriptural basis?
Sounds like it to me.
We fall down, but we get up. we fall down, but we get up............
Why would a member need to speak with him in private? That's what staff is for. This was not a necessity for Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, or other of God's leaders. Jesus ministry was very effective, even when he was standing on the boat teaching 1000s on the beach (mega church) without him needing to speak with the crowd indivdually in private.
Remember, Moses appointed 'other' people to handle that private stuff - which is why these churches have 50 programs & small meeting groups & staff at their church for stuff like that.
What the hell? If a member wants to speak with their PASTOR, they should be able to.I wouldn't dare go to a church where my pastor wasn't accessible. He can't be everywhere and spends lots of time on one person, but every now and then, a pastor (NOT just his staff) should be able to make time for ANY of his members. If he can't make time, he shouldn't pastor.
you want to talk to YOUR Pastor, naw...but the Secretary is available!! :lmao:
WTF she gonna do...take notes for what I want to say to my PASTOR?!?!
"Church folks..." :smh:
you want to talk to YOUR Pastor, naw...but the Secretary is available!! :lmao:
WTF she gonna do...take notes for what I want to say to my PASTOR?!?!
:snicker: When it comes to man-made religions, elevated equates to pure vanity.
:smh: :smh: And these are the people being "called" to lead the head of the church.
It's good to know Jesus for YOURSELF. :tup:
You all have been saying this since slavery! Has anything really changed?
you want to talk to YOUR Pastor, naw...but the Secretary is available!! :lmao:
WTF she gonna do...take notes for what I want to say to my PASTOR?!?!
You all have been saying this since slavery! Has anything really changed?
This is great. I am glad that it works for you. There are other pastoral models that exist for larger churches.Right!:lmao:
Glad I have the kind of pastor where I can bypass "his staff" and just shoot him an email directly, and he responds. So if I need to meet with HIM (not a rep/staff), I can get on his calendar, and he KNOWS my name.
Yes, there may be times when a pastor can't get away, because he's juggling multiple things. But that's bull to ask/say, "what you need to speak to the pastor for (when he has a staff)?" :xeye: If I'm a member (especially not just some pew warmer), I should be able to see the man who prays over my soul when and if I need to.
This is great. I am glad that it works for you. There are other pastoral models that exist for larger churches.
Many mega-churches have pastors (paid/non-paid) over groups of members of the congregation. Yes, meetings can still be scheduled with the senior pastor, but the vast majority of interaction occurs with a designated pastor of the staff. That person knows you and your family, meets with you periodically during the year just to keep tabs on what is going on with you and how you are interacting in small groups and ministries of the church. That person is your direct link to things pastoral.
I am not a huge fan of mega-churches, but they can be very effective when organized VERY well.