Grant Hill’s Response to Jalen Rose


Just because Jalen chose to feel that way about Grant Hill because he was a young 18 year old at the time doesnt mean that his perspective at the time wasnt based on ignorance. His feelings should have been directed at Duke only. If he apologized to Hill, does it mean he believed it then and doesnt believe it now? And why doesnt Hill have a right to respond to another black man characterizing him as an uncle tom? I wonder if Jalen felt he was to good enough to attend an HBCU?
 
JAGWAR said:
Just because Jalen chose to feel that way about Grant Hill because he was a young 18 year old at the time doesnt mean that his perspective at the time wasnt based on ignorance. His feelings should have been directed at Duke only. If he apologized to Hill, does it mean he believed it then and doesnt believe it now? And why doesnt Hill have a right to respond to another black man characterizing him as an uncle tom? I wonder if Jalen felt he was to good enough to attend an HBCU?
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When you are a kid and you see someone your age that is white calling you a "negga"... you are going to FAULT them and their parents... as an adult, you understand it's ALL the fault of the parents.

When you are a kid, you go after everything you see..Your mind is still developing.. so you tend to react faster when you are younger..
 



SUtrp96 said:
When you are a kid and you see someone your age that is white calling you a "negga"... you are going to FAULT them and their parents... as an adult, you understand it's ALL the fault of the parents.

When you are a kid, you go after everything you see..Your mind is still developing.. so you tend to react faster when you are younger..
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Jalen Rose was 17 or 18 years old when he made those comments about G.Hill. That's not a kid; that is adulthood. His mind and thought process was well-developed.

Even if he did make the remarks at that age, it must have been news to Grant Hill because it appears this was his first time hearing it, so I can understand the statement he made. And if J.Rose meant nothing by it, he wouldn't have spoken it nor sent the apology via Twitter before it aired on ESPN.
 
96lioness said:
Jalen Rose was 17 or 18 years old when he made those comments about G.Hill. That's not a kid; that is adulthood. His mind and thought process was well-developed.

Even if he did make the remarks at that age, it must have been news to Grant Hill because it appears this was his first time hearing it, so I can understand the statement he made. And if J.Rose meant nothing by it, he wouldn't have spoken it nor sent the apology via Twitter before it aired on ESPN.
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17 and 18... it's still a lot to learn about "life curve balls".... When you are that age and growing up poor, you blame any and everybody...

I'll go a step further and say.. those even GROWN men who stay in them conditions and know nothing else, still feel that way..

So in a way I agree with you, 17 or 18 had nothing to do with why he knows better know. He knows better know because know he know MORE than just the projects. He have a better sense of the TOTAL reality of life now. When you grow up in the hood and you not getting no breaks.. you blame anybody that LOOK like they doing better than you.. That's why it's so much hatred and killings in the hood by KIDS and grown MEN..

:tup:
 
The same grant hill that dissed sTu and the SWAC? If he was on fire I wouldn't spit on him.



PsychoJag said:
Kudos to Grant Hill. So many young black 18 year olds feel the way Jalen did. As if it's a negative to come from a good family background being black. It needs to stop.
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I don't think their (UNLV) Runnin' Rebels has the same connotation as the rebs of the south. I thought of them more as rebelling against the system....not supporters of slavery rebs.



Jafus (Thinker) said:
FAMU Cliff,

Excellent Points! Now that I think about it, I do not know why as a freshman in college, I had a rooting interest for UNLV over Duke in 1990. Especially, with the school mascot name: Runn'in Rebels. I imagine in 1991, I was pulling for UNLV because I wanted to see history, (i.e. the first undefeated in team in college basketball since the Indiana team). But, now after all I have studied, your explanation makes sense why that may have been the case for me.

Interesting!

It makes me think I may need to read to some more on psychology, especially in terms of sport marketing.
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all i know is that i hope i never get famous and they ask me how i felt about white people growing up in MS when i was 17, 18 years. Esp if they want me to be honest
 
SUtrp96 said:
17 and 18... it's still a lot to learn about "life curve balls".... When you are that age and growing up poor, you blame any and everybody...

I'll go a step further and say.. those even GROWN men who stay in them conditions and know nothing else, still feel that way..

So in a way I agree with you, 17 or 18 had nothing to do with why he knows better know. He knows better know because know he know MORE than just the projects. He have a better sense of the TOTAL reality of life now. When you grow up in the hood and you not getting no breaks.. you blame anybody that LOOK like they doing better than you.. That's why it's so much hatred and killings in the hood by KIDS and grown MEN..

:tup:
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This is why this type of mentality needs to be eradicated. I wonder if Howard University was winning at a high level like Duke and chose to recruit the same kind of student athlete , display the same type of image would the hate still be there and what would they be calling their players.
 
96lioness said:
Jalen Rose was 17 or 18 years old when he made those comments about G.Hill. That's not a kid; that is adulthood.
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Sheeeeit, ain't too many kids out of Chicago thinking on that level of adulthood. They might've done some adult things by then inside of Chi-Town...but, Im sure it wasn't world-outside-of-Chicago type things. And, I, especially, know that's not true compared to his NBA life as a 20 year old, when you, now, have a camera in your face all the time. Worlds apart.

Heck, just going from player to analyst, probably, made him boost his maturity level up. So, from then (way back in the early 90's) til now, dude has probably made GREAT strides in the maturity dept.
 
O'Bladerunner said:
Sheeeeit, ain't too many kids out of Chicago thinking on that level of adulthood. They might've done some adult things by then inside of Chi-Town...but, Im sure it wasn't world-outside-of-Chicago type things. And, I, especially, know that's not true compared to his NBA life as a 20 year old, when you, now, have a camera in your face all the time. Worlds apart.

Heck, just going from player to analyst, probably, made him boost his maturity level up. So, from then (way back in the early 90's) til now, dude has probably made GREAT strides in the maturity dept.
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You do know Jalen Rose grew up in Detroit, right? I don't know what Chicago has to do with this. LOL
 
Grant Hill's Misfire

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-weiler/grant-hill-fires-an-airba_b_837040.html?ir=Media

In the bizarro world of America, circa 2011, the privileged are the righteous aggrieved, while the lesser off are branded selfish and entitled. It's a world in which the biggest financial institutions receive hundreds of billions in bailout money, while under-water homeowners are deemed "losers" who should sink or swim on their own. It's a world in which the "angry rich," to use Paul Krugman's term, scream about their oppression as their riches grow, while their defenders describe public sector employees making $50,000 a year as "greedy" and "thuggish" even as those employees make wage and benefit concessions that the angry rich would never consent to.

In that world, I suppose it's unsurprising that Jalen Rose, the son of some of the meanest streets in America, is being attacked far and wide for comments he made about Duke and Grant Hill in the Fab Five documentary that aired on ESPN on Sunday night, particularly Rose's comment that he thought all Black players who went to Duke were "Uncle Toms." And it's also unsurprising that Grant HiIl, the son of privilege, is being praised for his response in yesterday's New York Times to Rose's comments.

Unsurprising, but no less distressing. In his response, Hill described Rose's statements as "sad and somewhat pathetic." Hill was upset that he was called a "bitch and worse" and pressed his attack against Rose: "In his garbled but sweeping comment that Duke recruits only 'black players that were 'Uncle Toms,' Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today. I am beyond fortunate to have two parents who are still working well into their 60s. They received great educations and use them every day. My parents taught me a personal ethic I try to live by and pass on to my children." Hill also described the struggles and hard work of his ancestors, which allowed Hill to enjoy the great life he's had and took umbrage at Rose's apparent slight to that family legacy -- Hill said that his family was "disparaged" for their education. ...
 
Jalen Rose, under fire, has nothing to apologize for

http://detnews.com/article/20110318/OPINION03/103180428


The Jalen Rose-Grant Hill war of ideals has re-opened old wounds regarding race, and as usual, sports is the lens that restarts the conversation.

It's the elephant in the room no one likes to talk about, so difficult to address because there's so many, too many angles to attack.

There's anger and resentment on both sides, for different reasons.

The "N" word.


"Uncle Tom."

People like Hill who grew up with two parents in a middle class or better background are resented for having more. They're angry they have to justify their existence as African-Americans because a few breaks went their way.

People like Rose are angry for coming from lesser means. At the crux of it, he felt universities like Duke wouldn't recruit him, not because he wasn't a good enough athlete, but because of circumstances beyond his control.

Would Duke have gone after Rose, a top-10 player, if he had the perfect background? Yes. Would Hill have been on Duke's list if he came from Rose's background? No, and therein lies Rose's point. Class and race play a factor in whom Duke chooses to recruit.

In his Fab Five documentary, Rose shined a light on subjects many like to ignore and, telling from the reaction, have not addressed internally.

Too many times, people like Rose are blamed for their feelings, when not enough attention is placed on what fostered such a negative view of anybody, black or white. He didn't create the perception about what's considered "authentic;" it permeated through the black community long before Rose got here and still is a huge issue today.

Race is a factor in this, how both are viewed, how their words are received. Yes it is, and people from both ends of the spectrum cringe at the notion. It doesn't mean it's the deciding factor, but it plays a part, sometimes a big one, in how we view people like Rose. ...
 
Well read what Michael Wilborn had to say on this.

What Grant Hill, Jalen Rose share


I've known Grant Hill his entire basketball career, even before he went to Duke University, all the way back to when he was a high school kid in suburban Washington, D.C. I've worked with him at ABC and over 25 years come to admire not only his athletic achievements but also his intellect and sober good sense. If somebody ever finds good reason to one day compare my son to Grant Hill, I'd be thrilled out of my mind.

I've known Jalen Rose most of his basketball career, back to when he played at the University of Michigan, right up through his time with the Pacers and Suns, and I work with him now covering the NBA for ESPN. Over the past 12-15 years, I've come to admire not only his athletic success but also his remarkable ability to see beyond the extreme difficulty of his childhood and plot a life that will leave him and his children, should they choose, independent of sports. If somebody ever finds good reason to one day compare my son to Jalen Rose, I'd be ecstatic at him being a resourceful and persevering kid.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6227464
 



G Lion said:
This is why this type of mentality needs to be eradicated. I wonder if Howard University was winning at a high level like Duke and chose to recruit the same kind of student athlete , display the same type of image would the hate still be there and what would they be calling their players.
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No one answered my question, " What if it was HOWARD UNIVERSITY instead of DUKE??"
 
I have not seen the documentary so I don't know exactly what and how Rose made his comments. I suspect that the real issue here is what he likely did not say in the film: that he thought differently as he matured. Saying it afterward makes it defacto spin. If he thought the comments might be inflammatory enough to send Grant Hill a message, why not edit the final product before it was released. I think that I read somewhere that he was actually the producer of the documentary. If so, I think he made a classic mistake in releasing the documentary without being clear.
 
dacontinent said:
I have not seen the documentary so I don't know exactly what and how Rose made his comments. I suspect that the real issue here is what he likely did not say in the film: that he thought differently as he matured. Saying it afterward makes it defacto spin. If he thought the comments might be inflammatory enough to send Grant Hill a message, why not edit the final product before it was released. I think that I read somewhere that he was actually the producer of the documentary. If so, I think he made a classic mistake in releasing the documentary without being clear.
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He basically said that he thought differently dac. He even said that he actually admire them, cause after playing them he understood just how good they really were. And the reason he didnt take that part out of the documentary is because that part made it more real of how alot of people felt. I feel the same way he felt back then and alot of others can relate to that feeling he had.
 
It's amazing how we have allowed everything else said in that documentary to get lost b/c of this, once again...dumb ass topic. LMAO

White folks, Michigan Alums, everyone else that was put on blast in that documentary are sitting back HAPPY and relieved b/c we wanted to the attention and spotlight and took the pressure off of them. smh
 
southsuburbs said:
It's amazing how we have allowed everything else said in that documentary to get lost b/c of this, once again...dumb ass topic. LMAO

White folks, Michigan Alums, everyone else that was put on blast in that documentary are sitting back HAPPY and relieved b/c we wanted to the attention and spotlight and took the pressure off of them. smh
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DAmmit!!!!!!! you shole is smart. a true JSU woman. i been screaming that from jump
 
southsuburbs said:
It's amazing how we have allowed everything else said in that documentary to get lost b/c of this, once again...dumb ass topic. LMAO

White folks, Michigan Alums, everyone else that was put on blast in that documentary are sitting back HAPPY and relieved b/c we wanted to the attention and spotlight and took the pressure off of them. smh
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I totally agree!!!

It amazes me... when we PRO-HBCU folks on here say our kids should go to these PWCs because them "folk" don't want them there.. we get the..."We HBCU's" are using them as well" line....

That documentary basically confirmed THEY don't CARE nothing about our black kids.. matter of fact HATE them. And we some fools if we think the "ALUMS" have a "different" attitude in 2011...

Like I said earlier... It's just about the same as the "Cotton CLub" effect. The show filled with BLACKS but mostly whites gets to enjoy!

That is accomplished by not allowing a good bit of HARD WORKING under privileged inner city BLACK kids into their school... Except the BEST TALENTED black kids.

ESPN ignored it.. and folk on here is ignoring it.. Because they don't want to hear the truth
 
Its interesting that people are upset with blacks that come from 2 parent families, middle income and have access to top universities. Instead of being happy for someone doing well, there is name calling.
 
Jalen Rose's response to Grant Hill

http://sicklemaster.com/2011/03/jalen-rose-responds-to-grant-hill’s-op-ed/

Following the Documentary, the most heralded Black Duke player of all time -and a personal friend of mine- Grant Hill, wrote a scathing Op-Ed piece to the New York Times where he defended the legacy of Duke as an institution and gave a sociological dissertation on the ills of the Black America. While Grant was well within his rights to defend his institution and upbringing, he also took the time to refer to my speech as “garbled,” and my opinions as “pathetic.” To those comments I only have to say one thing to Grant…

Fugg you Nagga.

See, I knew yo bitch ass couldn’t resist the opportunity to make sure Massa’s dishes were clean. You just had to write some ho ass essay defending Duke didn’t you? I bet you didn’t even write the shit. Most likely Coach K wrote it and you just edited out all the Naggas and coons he called us. So I called you an Uncle Tom when I was 17, so what? Damn my nagga stop being so sensitive about shit. You looking more and more like the bitch I thought you were with every word you say.

You know what? I stand behind the Uncle Tom shit now, fugg it. When I think of black dudes that went to Duke, names like Elton, Shane, Grant, Thomas (not Tommy), William, (not Billy) and Nolan, pop up in my head. All those names mean your parents wanted you to be Toms since birth. It’s like naming your son Jeeves or Anderson. Why in the fugg would you give him either name unless you want him to wash draws and serve dinners for a living? No matter what you do, name your son Jeeves and he will be a Butler. Name a black dude Shane or Grant, and he WILL listen to Maroon 5. He WILL eat bagels with cream cheese. He WILL watch “Friends”. All those names are little Uncle Tom starter kits. Now take our names, the names of the Fab Five. You got Jalen, Jimmy, Ray, Juwan and Chris, aka real nagga shit. That don’t even sound like no basketball team. It sounds like a bunch of fools banging Hoover Crip if you ask me.

As for your parents, I’ll lemme take this opportunity to say fugg them too. Yeah, they did a good job getting they paper and shit, but I can’t respect the swagless way in which they raised you. Speaking of that, check out this picture of you and your father I found…



What in Cosby Sweaters is going on out this bitch? Shit is ridiculous. And as hard is your pops is supposed to be bankin, he ain’t got the scratch to have his mustache shaped up? On the real my nagga, that don’t even look like a mustache, it looks like failure ate his upper lip. Shit, if having a father means that you have to look this corny, I’ll opt for mom dukes doing the heavy lifting. Y’all took the Cliff and Theo shit too far here. I can’t approve.

People been telling me that you ain’t no Uncle Tom, one reason being because you have an African American Art Collection. When they tell me that, I tell them they stupid like these hoes. Fugg yo art, as a matter of fact you don’t even have it anymore, all your art belongs to me now. I had my Naggas Bop and Lil Tony jack that shit last night. I’m selling it and using the money for the charter school I’m building in the hood. The hood, Nagga. The place where you can get 15 chicken wings for 2.99. The place where the stove is a heater. The place you don’t know shit about.

I look forward to your response to this letter, because if you get flip with me this time I’m clean fugging you up. Real shit, let’s see if the suburbs showed you how to use them hands. And I ain’t giving yo fragile ass an injury time-out either. I know why yo ankles bad anyway, too much grabbing them for the white man. I’m out ho. Watch who the fugg you talking to in the future, I’m from Detroit bitch, I’ll smack the black back into yo vanilla ass.

Sincerely,

Jalen Rose.

And as for Tamia, I fugged.

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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Strictly Comedy folks!! Jalen did not say those things!! :lmao:
 
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