I believe in having standards/ expectations, but sometimes HBCU'S & the culture in general it seems judge ourselves way more harshly . I addressed the " realities" in another post about having things such as a year round nutrition table. Vast majority of G5 programs don't have that. HBCU administrations have a built in argument when they are questioned if they are competent or not......"How much money did you donate ? "
Are we getting our money worth in the SWAC for coaches?
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Da Sleeper
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Sooo. Capital expenditures are not budgetary line items?
Not at TX HBCU's. Shiddd, the more you raise privately the less the State wants to give. The state of Texas likes to play hide and seek with our funding. That's what the law suits were about where pv & tsu won a big payout.
Below, is a direct quote that you made in the "2023-2024 Tranfer Portal VI" thread. Post #23. In my opinion, this is part of the problem. Don't get me wrong, it is not the only problem.
"If I were a talented 18 y/o right now this very second, I would EASILY choose hcu over PVAMU AND sTu. Easily, mostly based on the unqualified and inept "coaching" at sTu AND PVAMU."
Talented athletes can make an inept coach look like a genius. But if you don't have the talent, well........
Not to hijack the thread , but this is the reason I've reconsidered making Su & Grambling beneficiaries ( maybe 10% )to my 401k/ insurance/ estate . I've thought about Private & relatively well run HBCU'S may be a better choice.
A lot of these young men aren't dumb. We collectively have the wrong folk in leadership positions.
And you are right. A talented thoroughbred can make a trainer look remarkably genius when its been properly trained and bred to perform at the highest level. We have leadership positions recruiting donkeys and mules and expecting them to compete w/ thoroughbreds when tasked. So, who does the recruiting? Uncompensated alums? lol
Welcome to the club. My allegiance has me at 80% all assets pro-PV exclusively but it irks my soul because we have mentally slow dummies in leadership positions. I advidly call the dummies dumb because I am a summa grad thrice over and it repulses me to be near anyone "slow." (c. Dr F Frazier) I'm bigoted & prejudiced as hell because I demand and expect the best of the best, as it once was.
Paul Dolemite Taylor
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I’m guess I’m still trying to understand how other stuff can still affect bad coaching decisions on gameday. 
I’m sure there’s a connection between the cheese being cold at the concession stands impacting our coaches in game decisions. I must be watching the wrong conferences lol. At some point we gotta get better and do better !!!!
Swac coaches are getting more Money than most FCS conferences and we couldn’t or wouldn’t crack the top 5 of their conferences. It’s makes no sense.
I’m sure there’s a connection between the cheese being cold at the concession stands impacting our coaches in game decisions. I must be watching the wrong conferences lol. At some point we gotta get better and do better !!!!
Swac coaches are getting more Money than most FCS conferences and we couldn’t or wouldn’t crack the top 5 of their conferences. It’s makes no sense.
Da Sleeper
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I'm sure many of you have seen this already. But explain to me if this is true, how exactly does a component administrator seriously consider raising the salary of anyone?
Alcorn got it right. They told McNair this is what we can pay. Wha'cha gone do Playa? Even though McNair is a very good coach, the administration put the program first.
Alcorn got it right. They told McNair this is what we can pay. Wha'cha gone do Playa? Even though McNair is a very good coach, the administration put the program first.
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Storm96
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We don't even need to look at recent start ups in HCU and Incarnate Word. PV and TSU were DI-AA/FCS back when Texas State and Sam Houston were still playing DII and both of those programs have left us in the dust. I expect the same from Tarleton State, A&M-Commerce, and ACU (who's clearly already passed us by).
Truth.
skyvolt2000
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Depends on what school they go to.
Because what you deal with at one state is NOT the same thing you deal with at say another.
Army Black Knights look at how bad those teams are. You the coach and you are at the mercy of how that school handles recruiting.
Same with SMU. Same with Binghamton University.
Mike Davis at Detroit Mercy. 4 losing seasons at Indiana, Texas Southern and UAB. What is he doing at Mercy? If he gets the ax now that would be the first time he left a school with less than 100 wins. He is still the last UAB coach to lead that team to postseason 4 straight years since 2006.
Also who are those school recruiting? South Dakota State ranked 153 in signing players. Stanford was ranked 44. How bad was Stanford this year?
How many in state players have Depaul lost? How good are you at getting local talent?
Who are you playing? Deon faced 6 ranked teams Colorado. Not one HBCU unlike at Jackson State when he faced only ONE non HBCU. Next year he's facing the Big 12. GOOD LUCK.
We have seen many coaches go to other schools and crash for reasons beyond coaching.
Da Sleeper
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Univ. TX San Antonio started up their program in 2011. I don't think people fully understand how big college football is in texas. There are 25 NCAA Division 1 and 13 Division 2 colleges across the state of Texas.
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True, but the impact of those enrollment numbers/student athletic fees can't be overlooked when considering the elevation of Sam or T State's program.
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When acu and southwest texas state were d2, they owned PV football, which was allegedly at the i-aa level. Owned. PV never got a single victory over the d2s. shsu is up 2-1 over PV w/ a HC whose salary was at the same level as PV's (at that time).
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I wonder if PV made the same mistake my TSU did. Beginning with the year 1970, some not so smart administrators thought it was a good thing to move from NAIA to DII to then DIAA, all within a seven year period, without any significant increase in funding or scholarships during the entire time. Even if the reason was because we were moving along with the SWAC it was still bad business considering how hostile the state was towards HBCUs in the 70s.
As you said, those PWIs were DII back then, but they were also likely better funded and thereby legit DII programs while my Texas Southern pretended to be DIAA/FCS for the most part, and should have only moved up divisions in accordance with good business sense.
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In_The_662
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Right. As big as high school football is in Texas, people shouldn't be surprised that it carries over to the college ranks
And none of those schools face what TxSU and PV as far as funding, etc.
In_The_662
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It's gonna easy for UTRGV to go FBS when they have an enrollment of over 30k and charge athletic fees
PV was a then i-aa in name only. After a bevy of unqualified hires and a recruiting strategy that is akin to going to a park w/ a basketball court and asking who got next lol, the football program was in shambles. PV relied heavily on word of mouth of its alums to secure talented young men for the gridiron. I came during the Hayman years and I lmao'd at how putridly poor their "program" was ran. The same skinny little boys I saw come in w/ me were the same skinny little boys I visibly saw my senior yr. There was absolutely ZERO improvement as a program, other than a few exceptions who took it upon themselves to exercise their drive and excel individually (Lomax, Brow, and a few others).
PV didn't have a single clue about athletics, proper recruiting, and athletic administration during that time. I'm sure the period post assimilation, the ignorance was more highly evident as those PBHSs began to move their state championship runs away and out of the PVIL towards the tx uil.
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Correct. They are two different things with two different purposes.
SUjagTILLiDIE
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This
ghostwriter
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They loaded up with d2 talent rules, has access to whites and blacks without hesitation so they came in with an advantage and were better funded
That's why I don't oppose to a system if you can take full advantage of resources and funding - their growth was due to a combination of colleges closing which skyrocketed enrollment - plus under a system they can give you money for upgrades - not beg the state
Again - pay coaches more but what about using that mentality for support staffs?
Da Sleeper
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Not according to GAAP, generally accepted accounting principles. But okay, there is always different views on the principles and guidelines.
Th deficit should be larger considering the compliance personnel she had to bring in. We gonna be alright…