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This question arose at a men's retreat I was at. Think about this. Joseph's fiance ended up pregnant by someone else before they were even married and he still raised the child. I think it is a symptom of the bigger issue of how we have devalued fatherhood.
Nah that has absolutely nothing to do with going on now. You're talking about something that happen thousands of years ago....are you serious?
The devalue of fatherhood came with parsing the word of God to fit a sexist agenda while at the same time making it Look like they aren't sexist.
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I guess it depends on which circles you travel in. Every teacher that I have ever heard has commended Joseph. Now, the discrepancy between how much honor is given to Mary usually boils down to nothing being said about Joseph after he and Mary return to Jerusalem to find Jesus in discussions in doing the Father's business. Mary we see later with her children, at the cross, and in the upper room at Pentecost.I should have added some space in my original post. I was trying to say that was Joseph did was honorable. He raised a kid that technically was not his after finding out his wife to be was pregnant.
I think the reason that we don't celebrate Joseph is related to the devaluation of fatherhood.
I guess it depends on which circles you travel in. Every teacher that I have ever heard has commended Joseph. Now, the discrepancy between how much honor is given to Mary usually boils down to nothing being said about Joseph after he and Mary return to Jerusalem to find Jesus in discussions in doing the Father's business. Mary we see later with her children, at the cross, and in the upper room at Pentecost.
This question arose at a men's retreat I was at. Think about this. Joseph's fiance ended up pregnant by someone else before they were even married and he still raised the child. I think it is a symptom of the bigger issue of how we have devalued fatherhood.
I should have added some space in my original post. I was trying to say that was Joseph did was honorable. He raised a kid that technically was not his after finding out his wife to be was pregnant.
I think the reason that we don't celebrate Joseph is related to the devaluation of fatherhood.
With all due respect, your posts make it seem as if Mary went out and slept with some random man. She didn' just end up "pregnant by someone else"; it was the Holy Spirit (God) that came upon her; the child she carried was God's, not some ordinary man. And this was prophesied in the book of Isaiah before Jesus came to Earth that The Messiah would be born of a virgin woman. As for Joseph, you have to remember that when learned of Mary's pregnancy, which wasn't a secret, he thought her to be dishonorable and didn't want to marry her. His thought process was like yours (woman pregnant before marriage by someone else), which is a natural human response. It was the Lord who had to reveal to him (Joseph) the true Origin of Mary's pregnancy. Joseph did love Mary, and he loved God and was obedient in taking her to be his wife, which is why "he raised a kid that technically was not his". It had nothing to do with being commendable or honorable, more like being faithful and obedient.
Has nothing to do with fatherhood or how society has chosen to value or devalue fatherhood.
Don't take it like that. I am giving Joseph praise. Yes, he trusted in God when most men would have bolted. I am not saying Mary is bad either. I am saying, it is a tough pill to swallow if your fiance turns up pregnant during your engagement. Yet, I have not heard Joseph mentioned in church nearly as much as I have heard Mary's name mentioned.
Don't take it like that. I am giving Joseph praise. Yes, he trusted in God when most men would have bolted. I am not saying Mary is bad either. I am saying, it is a tough pill to swallow if your fiance turns up pregnant during your engagement. Yet, I have not heard Joseph mentioned in church nearly as much as I have heard Mary's name mentioned.
He not mentioned much at all in the Bible in general. An idea that I have is how does Jesus fall in with the line of David, if Joseph is not his biological father?
Dr H.. [QUOTE said:JR, how did Joseph live a lie, that's stupid. I am sure he is not the first or the last to take / adopt a child. The bible talks about God adopting individuals, are you calling God stupid also.
I am 100% sure that somewhere in your family history, there is a "Joseph" It could have been a cousin, an uncle or someone a female relative married - because of her husband may have been killed, or in the case of Joseph rearing a child that was not "by sex" was his.
Please explain how his life in the community was a lie - he was doing what any "Father" would do - teaching and providing. Other than those two items, he was the Spiritual Leader of the home.
You are controlling what you think, are you not?
Study your bible, before commenting / debating. The Old Testament scripture teach that the Messiah (Jesus) will come King David’s family geneology. Mary, was Jesus’ only biological tie, she was not in the bloodline of David. Her husband, Joseph was, that's why Joseph's geneology is mentioned.
...Joseph didn't even know who his father was. The bible said that he had TWO physical fathers, Heli and Jacob? PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT.
... not bragging at all, but I'd run circles around you because I have studied the bible for years and years. ...
:smh:
Well, how did Joseph get two fathers?:noidea:
Just curious ... Did it ever occur to you in all of your study of the Bible and Hebrew history that (H)Eli and Jacob could be the same person? Like Simon and Peter? Like Jacob and Israel?
Just curious.
Just curious ... Did it ever occur to you in all of your study of the Bible and Hebrew history that (H)Eli and Jacob could be the same person? Like Simon and Peter? Like Jacob and Israel?
Just curious.
Oh no, here we go again.
At least you ^^^^^ are reading, researching, and thinking ... and quite well at that.