Tonex retires from the Gospel Industry


dacontinent said:
It depends. The laborer is worthy of his hire.

One of my visions is to have our worship team hired out to play for corporate events around the city...to be on staff at our church; salaried to minister in song and able to earn from the corporate world for their musical skills. Also, to have intercessors on staff; salaried at our church and able to go to other congregations and venues to intercede, conduct conferences on intercession - and be compensated for their time and the work that goes into getting it done.
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And they should be paid for their services.

dacontinent said:
When I go out to do the work of an evangelist and someone gets saved, delivered, healed, has demons cast out, etc., as God works through the availability of my ministering, do I expect them to pay me for what God does? NO. Is it right for all who are gathered there to give in to my ministry for the time that I spend praying, fasting, studying the Word, etc., just to prepare to minister in those ways? YES.
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I agree with this but here the question and the relation with what Tonex is feeling. Should you get mad or quit if you dont make money out if it? Have you listened to his interview? Have you read his Blog? I have

Doing the work for the Lord is not a career. It's a lifestyle.
 
Blacknbengal said:
I take it that doc dont understand what all goes into making or producing a song, let alone a cd.
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Actually I do. There are studio costs as well as contractual costs and legal fees. Also, Record companies can alot a stipen to the artist and tell him to produce an album based on that stipen, with the artist expecting no payment for the record sells.

Most artist makes their money off concert tours, producing other projects, and appearing on others records.

But this has nothing to do with why we evangelism or the reason why we do it.


You see Salvation is free but there is a cost. I support the payment for the cost. I.E. Buying a CD or going to see an artist in concert. The Bible says for us to support the minister. What I do not support is an artist that comes out and says he is not making any money in doing Gospel Music. That making gospel music or speaking engagements, or casting out evil spirits, etc. is his or her "CAREER". Again I say, this is not a career it's a lifestyle. That is in partwhat Tonex said. :upset: "I have no money, no funiture, an empty house, etc." Does he have other issues? Yes, he does. My point is only one of his many issues..
 



docmump said:
Yes, Crit you do have to make a living but using God to make that living is not right.
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You do realize the days we live in, right? We're not living in Bible days. It costs money to spread the word, doc! From making CD (studio time is NOT cheap!), to being on the radio (not cheap), to getting on TV (also not cheap), to evangelizing around the state/country (it cost money to travel! Duhhhh.), to even maintaining a Christian website (it costs).... even a church mailing a "Thank you for visiting our church" letter to a visitor. It all costs. As a matter of fact, with these artists, some of them come out their own pockets to put music out. As Tonex said himself, he didn't get advances. And even in that, that's money on loan basically... unless your album does exceedingly well.

And if one is going to make it their full-time mission (job) to spread the word, money is needed! There is NO way around it, unless you're very already financially secure.

And if you feel that it's wrong for artists to "use God to make a living", aren't you're guilty of supporting their livelihood (purchasing their CDs, going to concerts, buying their books, etc.)?

Come on now...
 
CriTAUcal said:
You do realize the days we live in, right? We're not living in Bible days. It costs money to spread the word, doc! From making CD (studio time is NOT cheap!), to being on the radio (not cheap), to getting on TV (also not cheap), to evangelizing around the state/country (it cost money to travel! Duhhhh.), to even maintaining a Christian website (it costs).... even a church mailing a "Thank you for visiting our church" letter to a visitor. It all costs. As a matter of fact, with these artists, some of them come out their own pockets to put music out. As Tonex said himself, he didn't get advances. And even in that, that's money on loan basically... unless your album does exceedingly well.

And if one is going to make it their full-time mission (job) to spread the word, money is needed! There is NO way around it, unless you're very already financially secure.

And if you feel that it's wrong for artists to "use God to make a living", aren't you're guilty of supporting their livelihood (purchasing their CDs, going to concerts, buying their books, etc.)?

Come on now...
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Crit, pls dont hurt him too much. Doc seems to be under the impression of the old "barter" system. One camel for two goats.
 
docmump said:
And they should be paid for their services.

I agree with this but here the question and the relation with what Tonex is feeling. Should you get mad or quit if you dont make money out if it? Have you listened to his interview? Have you read his Blog? I have
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I read the blog but I did not listen to the interview. Maybe I will get a different perspective when I do.

docmump said:
Doing the work for the Lord is not a career. It's a lifestyle.
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As much as living right is a lifestyle, I can agree with you. However, the CAREERS of the pastor / priest / minister / levite / teacher / evangelist / apostle / prophet / missionary and the church administrative staff are easily seen. Can anyone out there give a reason that artisans, educators, carpenters, lawnskeepers, systems engineers, cafeteria workers, and custodial personnel should not be CAREER employees in the work of the Lord?
 
CriTAUcal said:
You do realize the days we live in, right? We're not living in Bible days. It costs money to spread the word, doc! From making CD (studio time is NOT cheap!), to being on the radio (not cheap), to getting on TV (also not cheap), to evangelizing around the state/country (it cost money to travel! Duhhhh.), to even maintaining a Christian website (it costs).... even a church mailing a "Thank you for visiting our church" letter to a visitor. It all costs. As a matter of fact, with these artists, some of them come out their own pockets to put music out. As Tonex said himself, he didn't get advances. And even in that, that's money on loan basically... unless your album does exceedingly well.

And if one is going to make it their full-time mission (job) to spread the word, money is needed! There is NO way around it, unless you're very already financially secure.

And if you feel that it's wrong for artists to "use God to make a living", aren't you're guilty of supporting their livelihood (purchasing their CDs, going to concerts, buying their books, etc.)?

Come on now...
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Re-Read Post number 27 please...
 
bluphiiijsu said:
...We wonder why we are being attacked so.... but I now know that it is because satan is seeing exactly what God has in store for us and he wants to discourage us in hopes of defeating us, but I declare Victory on this day and any other day. I have no choice but to trust God and allow him to move me where He wants me to be...
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You sho' is right!:jump:
 
docmump said:
...Should you get mad or quit if you dont make money out if it? Have you listened to his interview? Have you read his Blog? I have...
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Now that I have listened to the interview...my position is the same. I reached a point a few years ago where I had to do something different (develop multi-cultural ministry, create a cell structure, direct support of missionaries, etc.) that the group that I was with was not prepared to do. If I was to begin to fulfill what God has called me to, I had to move in another direction. Without fanfare and speaking only blessing on that group, we started down the path of God's direction. Some of my brothers did not understand that and thought I was mad about something. Nothing could be further from the truth. Some things that were said about me in ignorance were painful, but I understood that they were in ignorance. They did not have the same kind of vision that I had. Anything with 2 visions is DI-vision.

In a recent years, with some changes at the top, that group has started to move closer to the vision that I have. Some who were once critical have become confidants. It is going to be interesting to watch and see what transforms.

It is the same with Tonex. He has a focus to pastor a group of people who apparently care for him a great deal. It takes an awful lot of effort and focus to head up a local church. He will be busy. He still has his passion as a producer and writer. He will have more than enough to occupy his every waking moment while working to build the kingdom of God.
 
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