PsychoJag
We Run The SWAC
And that's another thing that I don't really care for. After your running back scores a TD I don't think it's appropriate to play My Endless Love.......:smh:
Tonal Drums-Corp sounding Drum Sections in HBCU bands.
- Thread starter PsiSnake
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And that's another thing that I don't really care for. After your running back scores a TD I don't think it's appropriate to play My Endless Love.......:smh:
"NOISE TALKA"
Mr. Hatedandloved
LOL. CLEARLY u play something like this ....
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O'Bladerunner
And Down!
Honestly, I think some HBCU's just get caught in the crossroads between their tradition...the DCI mesh....and, the percussion sections that have grown a head of their own, by following DCI. I can name a few schools like that.
I wouldn't go as far as saying some of the schools go the "white is right" route....but, on the other hand, you can't say they aren't, if you catch my drift. There are no faults to be handed out directly, cuz you can't completely blame a percussionist for wanting to compete with those PWC schools, with the way they do it.. I've lived on both sides...so, I know those PWC's are doing great things (check out some of those college drum corp competitions, and you'll begin to understand).
As for my own taste.....
Thank God for FunkFactory. Ive always said you can keep those flam heads and tonals (I enjoyed it, but got enough of it in HS)....give me dat mummy glide. Although, much like every kind of d-section and/or band, the sound won't fit EVERY song....but, them boys keeps it funky. And, Im still daring folks to prove me otherwise. And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, they keep the "S" right in that same pocket that can't nobody fugg wit.
I wouldn't go as far as saying some of the schools go the "white is right" route....but, on the other hand, you can't say they aren't, if you catch my drift. There are no faults to be handed out directly, cuz you can't completely blame a percussionist for wanting to compete with those PWC schools, with the way they do it.. I've lived on both sides...so, I know those PWC's are doing great things (check out some of those college drum corp competitions, and you'll begin to understand).
As for my own taste.....
Thank God for FunkFactory. Ive always said you can keep those flam heads and tonals (I enjoyed it, but got enough of it in HS)....give me dat mummy glide. Although, much like every kind of d-section and/or band, the sound won't fit EVERY song....but, them boys keeps it funky. And, Im still daring folks to prove me otherwise. And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, they keep the "S" right in that same pocket that can't nobody fugg wit.
SimplyRedd
Southernite
LDC classic 2005...PV TD...PV Band Stairway to Heaven:lmao:
PsychoJag
We Run The SWAC
Back then that was understandable for them with the type of football team they had. LOL!!!!
O'Bladerunner
And Down!
:lol:...ouch.
ClevePVAMU
New Member
Hey...fugg y'all...lol...
I've been around enough cats on both both ends to know that the style of the section really ain't isht in the grand scheme of things, as long as people in it are still being taught. I've seen cats from "technical" sections get blazed by "funky" drummers and vice versa. You gotta do what works for YOU.
Most auditions don't ask for your marching drumline type. They ask for solos on snare, bells, tympani, and/or set.
For me, be technical on a drum cadence or feature. But with the band, the isht has to groove and sound LIKE THE SONG, and not this forced isht I hear a lot of bands do.
I've been around enough cats on both both ends to know that the style of the section really ain't isht in the grand scheme of things, as long as people in it are still being taught. I've seen cats from "technical" sections get blazed by "funky" drummers and vice versa. You gotta do what works for YOU.
Most auditions don't ask for your marching drumline type. They ask for solos on snare, bells, tympani, and/or set.
For me, be technical on a drum cadence or feature. But with the band, the isht has to groove and sound LIKE THE SONG, and not this forced isht I hear a lot of bands do.
dacontinent
Preacher
Co-sign.
PsiSnake
Well-Known Member
....oh I forgot you on that PV tip. PV drumline chop it up "corp style like" during their halftime feature.
It figures thats your preference. lol
"Snake"
ClevePVAMU
New Member
It is FOR THAT ONLY. I don't wanna hear all that during a song. And I actually prefer the sound of clear snare heads more these days, anyway...even with the technical stuff...
PsiSnake
Well-Known Member
.....me too!
But I just wanted to make sure I wasnt crazy, and was the only person that felt this way about this tonal/chop it up stuff. Now dont get me wrong, I like DCI; but let the DCI and Corp style stuff stay in its place. It does not go with our traditional style of show style marching.
Whoever thinks that it do need to kill themself lol
"Snake"
DaBiggDogg
a wise man
now i hadnt read all post to this thread, but everything changed after drumline came out. from flashes, to rudiments, drums, heads and cadences..its good because it gives more flexability to look and sound different....i wont lie i couldnt stand it at first but i had to accept, espically when these "whippasnappers" start playin all these crazy rudiments tryin to force us old heads outta retirement as i call it
ClevePVAMU
New Member
The trend has been building LONG before Drumline was even thought up...
DaBiggDogg
a wise man
from what i saw it hasent. i play snare, and since that movie came out, j state and southern has came up with "drumline-ish" cadences. espically southern. but i guess it was youre location
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
I hate the tonals (unless its Norfolk State)....but I like the more technical cadences.... just speaking for AAMU... the stuff S.T.I.X. use to play was the most simplistic **** ever... Every high school band from Birmingham up was playing it. The stuff they play now, most high school bands in this area it would take alot of time for them to play it correctly. I see it like this any igga can BEAT a drum, but everybody cant play a drum. Thats the difference between a drum section and a percussion section. Some percussion section "stick" more than they play. I had met this dude from Arkansas, who was coming to AAMU to play snare. He ended up not marching his second year because he said it wasnt fun no more because the only half techinical thing they played was the doubletime cadence. He wanted to be challenged.... and playing on 2 and 4 and hunching his drum wasnt challenging him. Lemonhead has done a great job with the percussion section.
While we are on the topic, I hate them damn stringed mallets worst than I dislike tonals. That is the countriest **** I have ever seen.... Morris Brown use to sit there and just twirl mallets all game, then waive their mallets like it wasnt that damn string that was doing all the work. You dont see the stringed mallets too much any more though.
While we are on the topic, I hate them damn stringed mallets worst than I dislike tonals. That is the countriest **** I have ever seen.... Morris Brown use to sit there and just twirl mallets all game, then waive their mallets like it wasnt that damn string that was doing all the work. You dont see the stringed mallets too much any more though.
DaBiggDogg
a wise man
stringed mallets??? lol thats a throwback right there. they was doin that here like 87. my bro mummy used to tell me all the time bout that..looked gay as hell to me
O'Bladerunner
And Down!
Cleve's right...it's been brewing way before Drumline. JSt. and SU included.
MACKSnare519
Spartan Legion
Why is using tonal bass drums considered white? The instrumentation doesn't dictate whether or not the music that is being played is funky or not. If funk is written for the section then that is what's going to be played.
I think more than anything some lines are just evolving with the times. And somethings change and some instruments are added and some are subtracted. There was a time where multi-tenors where looked down upon and now most college lines are using them now. And now it's the tonal bass drum that is becoming more and more popular.
Why should a line limit what they are able to play? Tonals add sooooo many possibilities And you can't honestly sit up here and state that there is not a tonal sound in some of the music that's out here today. Young Jeezy's "And then what" is one prime example.(Yeah it's a simple run but still)
At some point in time corp. style and PWC bands did not use tonals or even multi-tenors.... probably because they hadn't been invented yet. But they evolved from the traditional snare, tenor, bass set up to what you see today. They can modernize their instrumentation but HBCU's aren't allowed to because it's "white"? Why should everyone stay in this box? Yes keeping tradition IS very important but progression and moving forward is important as well.
Also, what about that school who traditions ARE tonal bass drums and having a HBCU styke with corp. style influences mixed in? A tradition that is 30+ years strong?
And why is it NOW wrong to allow influences from our fairer skin friends when our very traditions are rooted from what they started in the Big 10 years ago?
I think more than anything some lines are just evolving with the times. And somethings change and some instruments are added and some are subtracted. There was a time where multi-tenors where looked down upon and now most college lines are using them now. And now it's the tonal bass drum that is becoming more and more popular.
Why should a line limit what they are able to play? Tonals add sooooo many possibilities And you can't honestly sit up here and state that there is not a tonal sound in some of the music that's out here today. Young Jeezy's "And then what" is one prime example.(Yeah it's a simple run but still)
At some point in time corp. style and PWC bands did not use tonals or even multi-tenors.... probably because they hadn't been invented yet. But they evolved from the traditional snare, tenor, bass set up to what you see today. They can modernize their instrumentation but HBCU's aren't allowed to because it's "white"? Why should everyone stay in this box? Yes keeping tradition IS very important but progression and moving forward is important as well.
Also, what about that school who traditions ARE tonal bass drums and having a HBCU styke with corp. style influences mixed in? A tradition that is 30+ years strong?
And why is it NOW wrong to allow influences from our fairer skin friends when our very traditions are rooted from what they started in the Big 10 years ago?
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
I wonder why you didnt respond with the same thing over --------------> when your peeps was saying the same thing about tenors..... and others were saying quads werent needed.
Different strokes for different folks.
MACKSnare519
Spartan Legion
No but I did... I was one of those who defended the tenor drum.
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
perfect example of being technical and funky.... you dont have to pick one or the other..
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Blankman2k5
Well-Known Member
And that sums up Snake's point right there
FrostyNacho
Just another person
those "drumline-ish" cadences started around the late 80s....and as long as i can remember, that style has been consistent in Houston for ages....
as for the topic.....i always hated tonals (even in HS)....yes we did all those runs and all that crap (remember 6/8 Sequence Blade :rolly: )
i look at a marching drumline as a marching drumset.....you got a snare, bass, cymbals & a floor tom....and for the more 'advanced' kits would be the other tenors (which would be the quads/quints)
1 comparison most of you can do its probably JSU's PYT vs. NSU's PYT....pretty much the same arrangement but of course, the drumlines are complete opposites
dacontinent
Preacher
My HS drumline was doing those "drumline-ish" cadences back in '74. Only 2 of those kids were black...and we used harmonic drums. Fabulous.