The SCG could move up
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You guys are playing yourselves, if you really think people give a shizza about the FCS anyway. If you are the FCS national champion, what does that really give you? Nothing, you basically are a Division I AA National Nobody. BCS is all the media and fans really care about. I didn't see shizza on the local news in the A regarding who won the FCS National Championship. I caught a little bit on ESPN, but it wasn't much. Keep the SCG where it is and continue to let the conference stand alone while giving those kids the national exposure on television. The SWAC has consistently put some of the best athletes in the NFL for the past 50 years whether they have sent a team to the NCAA playoffs or not. Don't even want to support your own formats. You want to ruin your conference traditions (i.e.- Bayou, Turkey Day) that are older than the NCAA and white conferences, just to adapt to their shizza. This is a retarded subject. I guess I have come to expect it from SWAC people.
Da_Sperm
New Member
That's funny, I thought EVERYBODY in the country knows about App. State. App. State ISN'T a Division 1 AA NOBODY!
a JSU Tiger
"Tiger Born and Tiger Bred"
Only you care if a game COUNTS or NOT COUNTS, if it's a rivalry game that can draw about 60,000 fans it should be played annually? :retard:
Da_Sperm
New Member
No, I'm not the only one. If I were the only one who cared, then every conference in America would be playing each other and the game not count. It is a STUPID concept and idea. High schools don't even practice it. Not even MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
STUPID!!! You don't want a 9 game format, but when you have the opportunity to schedule 4 non conference games, you don't! Bring back the 9 game format, at least each time members play, the game means something!!! Other than that, its a SCRIMMAGE! :retard:
Robber
Consigliere
Sperm,
Come on, dude. Every conference in America doesn't do it, because every conference in America doesn't have to. There are only a few conferences where every member doesn't play each other. Except for the SWAC, all of them are probably FBS/I-A. And then, they are damn all in BCS conferences. Those schools fill their stadiums regardless of the opponent. It's no biggie to them because they don't lose money by replacing big conference member with Scrub U. SWAC school don't have that luxury. Replacing SU on JSU's schedule with any other school is a loss of a ton of money for JSU. Gram replacing JSU with any other school is a loss of money. They could sell out a McNeese State, but they still lose out on another sell out against JSU.
This is a matter of finances. No more. No less. Might not make the most practical sense. But it sholl makes dollars. And if don't make dollars . . . You know the rest.
Da_Sperm
New Member
Enlighten me. Name another conference in which two teams play each other (IN ANY SPORT) during the regular season and the game(s) don't count as a conference game. You can even include every sport from middle school all the way up through the pros. This goes for NAIA, JUCO, D3, D2, FCS, and FBS.
I'll start you off and you can simply add to the list:
1) SWAC FOOTBALL (FCS)
I'll start you off and you can simply add to the list:
1) SWAC FOOTBALL (FCS)
PsychoJag
We Run The SWAC
Yeah they know App. State because they beat Michigan not because they won the Championship.
BLUEBENGAL
Senior Member
Vinita
Let's Go Lions, GO!
Yeah they know App. State because they beat Michigan not because they won the Championship.
I knew about Appalachian State before they beat Michigan. Actually, I'd forgotten about them, until that time. :nod:
As far as dead horses go, this entire topic is a dead horse. The BC ain't going anywhere, the SCG will be "our own little bowl game" until the end of time, and that shat is always gonna be REAL CLOSE to Christmas, and not real close to anything else.
MikeBigg
Well-Known Member
My only objections to the playoffs is #1. Not wanting to change the date of the Bayou Classic and #2. The percentage that the NCAA gets from the net proceeds...
Hypothetical Situation:
GSU secures a host bid and sells out "Rob" 's 19k stadium at $20 each.
Revenue (Gross Ticket Sales):.. $380,000 (19k @ $20 each)
Expenses (????):....................... 50,000
Net Proceeds...........................$330.000
Less 75% (NCAA) ....................$247,500
Net Revenue .......................... $112,500
Not sure how Concessions are handled...hopefully the school keeps the revenue from their concessions. If we average $5 per person via concessions that's an additional $57k. Under that scenario, we're talking about a combined $169,500 payout. Not sure if my scenario is accurate but it warrants consideration of participation.
I would like to see Grambling participate and (of course) do well in the playoffs. But I will make no bones about it... in my lifetime, I would like to see Grambling parlay FCS playoff participation/success into an eventual move to FBS status. We (GSU) are in close proximity to LaTech and ULM who parlayed 1AA (former name) Division playoff success into an eventual move to FBS status. Grambling has lost out to both of these neighbor schools on blue chip prospect simply because kids want to go "D1". I don't like losing out to ULM and LaTech on recruits and students. Granted, we have great exposure from the BC...but more positive exposure can't hurt. Just my two cents worth!
Hypothetical Situation:
GSU secures a host bid and sells out "Rob" 's 19k stadium at $20 each.
Revenue (Gross Ticket Sales):.. $380,000 (19k @ $20 each)
Expenses (????):....................... 50,000
Net Proceeds...........................$330.000
Less 75% (NCAA) ....................$247,500
Net Revenue .......................... $112,500
Not sure how Concessions are handled...hopefully the school keeps the revenue from their concessions. If we average $5 per person via concessions that's an additional $57k. Under that scenario, we're talking about a combined $169,500 payout. Not sure if my scenario is accurate but it warrants consideration of participation.
I would like to see Grambling participate and (of course) do well in the playoffs. But I will make no bones about it... in my lifetime, I would like to see Grambling parlay FCS playoff participation/success into an eventual move to FBS status. We (GSU) are in close proximity to LaTech and ULM who parlayed 1AA (former name) Division playoff success into an eventual move to FBS status. Grambling has lost out to both of these neighbor schools on blue chip prospect simply because kids want to go "D1". I don't like losing out to ULM and LaTech on recruits and students. Granted, we have great exposure from the BC...but more positive exposure can't hurt. Just my two cents worth!
PsychoJag
We Run The SWAC
Yeah I knew about them because I'm a sports fan but until they beat Michigan I wasn't like dang App. State is a monster. LOL!!
But yeah we're beating a dead horse with this topic.
Da_Sperm
New Member
Yeah they know App. State because they beat Michigan not because they won the Championship.
Agreed. However, they got on Michigan's schedule as a FCS school by WINNING BACK-TO-BACK national championships. Jim Tressel run at Youngstown State got him the gig at Ohio State.
We are stuck in our lil SWAC world, and all we want is a SWAC title and nothing more. Someday, somebody is going to REALIZE that there is more to college football than a SWAC title.
dacontinent
Preacher
Yeah they know App. State because they beat Michigan not because they won the Championship.
Correction: Late comers knew App. State by them getting to face Michigan because they were the defending 2-time champions. They beat Michigan, had two losses in conference, them turned it up to become 3-peaters. Now they have people wondering if there is another D1 power with enough guts to schedule them again.
Oh...and scouts are scouring their players for the next level - and not just for one or two players. Yes, we want that for our teams and universities. If that means dumping Grambling and Southern in order to get to that level, then I'm for that. Let our players compete for a national title and let our coaches be able to use that as a recruiting tool.
If I were a talented football player who knew that the most I could hope to compete for was a SWAC Championship, not a single SWAC school would make my radar.
philharmonic
Living History!!!
Blah, blah, blah! All of this really has nothing to do with the facts! If you kick arse and win, AND not SU, Gsu or Al. St., Move the SCG game to the week before thanksgiving and go into the play-off tournament. Winning the SWAC is great! But what if the SWAC champion could've played Deleware this year and beat them? AND then went on to played in the Championship came and wone that? The SWAC would benifit even more!
Da_Sperm
New Member
Mike,
You are correct, you will ALWAYS lose in the recruiting war because kids want to go D1. You get better recruits, then you will win MORE GAMES. Win more games, you MAKE MORE MONEY.
Let enough of the SWAC non-Thanksgiving-day/weekend-playing teams who feel they are capable of going to the playoffs and can't go because of the SCG/BC/TDC. Those teams will start to YELL and change will come.
You are correct, you will ALWAYS lose in the recruiting war because kids want to go D1. You get better recruits, then you will win MORE GAMES. Win more games, you MAKE MORE MONEY.
Let enough of the SWAC non-Thanksgiving-day/weekend-playing teams who feel they are capable of going to the playoffs and can't go because of the SCG/BC/TDC. Those teams will start to YELL and change will come.
MikeBigg
Well-Known Member
I was unable to edit my original post... (may be a system thing on my end), so I updated my numbers via this means.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Delta State and North Alabama play each other when they are not on rotation because most schools are scared to play them.
Also, you have another 1-AA conference where this has happened. I think the one Richmond, etc...are in.
Also, look at the OVC...who else has allowed a non-conference game to count for a conference game. We are not the only conference making exceptions to the rule.
As far as the SWAC goes, I would actually not mind not playing SU and Gram but my AD would mind. No sense in losing money for no reason. SU is the equivalent to 2-3 home games for JSU.
Robber
Consigliere
I think you misread me. I never said there was another conference where members played and it didn't count. I said they don't do what we do, because they don't have to. Loss of a game against a particular conference school don't mean losing money, like it does for us.