The SCG could move up

[major095]

a couple of things need to change.

I agree with styles that a national championship should always be the goal. being recognized as the best is what you play for.

currently because the swac doesn't have 12 teams the scg is considered a post-season game and eliminates the participants from playoff consideration. I think expansion needs to be apart of the plan.

It's undeniable when 40,000+ people show up for a FCS game outside in december your doing something right. the rest of fcs is looking a little red faced and wondering how the worst conference in fcs can out draw the championship game. you know their trying to figure out how they can translate the swac's sucess into something useful for themselves.

I do think the championship game needs to be moved up. not sure what blue dog is talking about. I believe all the fbs conferences play one week after the last game and the swac is the only FCS conference with the game. so the only model to follow is fbs. my only concern with moving the game is how will it affect attendance. many people might need that extra time to plan and get their finances right to make it to the game. if this is supposed to be some type of bowl game.. lol... then move it to new orleans where we can have more fun.

until they make the playoffs profitable for participants you have to say forget the playoffs. In the meantime we need to play and beat them, making the swacs absence from the playoffs a noticable void and making the playoffs a sham if the swac isn't there.

 

[Mr. Tiger]

a couple of things need to change.

I agree with styles that a national championship should always be the goal. being recognized as the best is what you play for.

currently because the swac doesn't have 12 teams the scg is considered a post-season game and eliminates the participants from playoff consideration. I think expansion needs to be apart of the plan.

It's undeniable when 40,000+ people show up for a FCS game outside in december your doing something right. the rest of fcs is looking a little red faced and wondering how the worst conference in fcs can out draw the championship game. you know their trying to figure out how they can translate the swac's sucess into something useful for themselves.
I do think the championship game needs to be moved up. not sure what blue dog is talking about. I believe all the fbs conferences play one week after the last game and the swac is the only FCS conference with the game. so the only model to follow is fbs. my only concern with moving the game is how will it affect attendance. many people might need that extra time to plan and get their finances right to make it to the game. if this is supposed to be some type of bowl game.. lol... then move it to new orleans where we can have more fun.

until they make the playoffs profitable for participants you have to say forget the playoffs. In the meantime we need to play and beat them, making the swacs absence from the playoffs a noticable void and making the playoffs a sham if the swac isn't there.

Let's address the parts in bold. The I-AA Championship game is played in a stadium that only holds 20,000 fans, so we will outdraw them every year.
Secondly, let's be honest, the SCG has only drawn over 40,000 twice.

The playoffs are not about profits, it is about recruiting and playing for something more than conference supremacy. That's what makes this issue a difficult one. My problem with the SWAC is that if a school wants to pursue a national championship it is prohibited from doing so if the school finishes first in its division. Schools should have the option to accept a playoff bid if one is rewarded.

 

[PNeck019]

There isn't a D1 conference in the world that plays a championship game immediately after the last game of the season. Common sense dictate better judgement.

Actually, they pretty much all are played the week after the season ends. You BR folks' beloved Tigers played Tennessee eight days after Arkansas.

IMO, if this game has to be played, it should be the week after the Bayou Classic. Only three SWAC teams play that weekend (counting ASU on Thursday). With a bye week afterwards, that puts the other seven teams having two bye weeks in a row.

This year of course was more than that for all parties.

It's just as dumb IMO as playing a "national championship" game six weeks after one of the participants played its last game.

 

[bluedog]

Actually, they pretty much all are played the week after the season ends. You BR folks' beloved Tigers played Tennessee eight days after Arkansas.

IMO, if this game has to be played, it should be the week after the Bayou Classic. Only three SWAC teams play that weekend (counting ASU on Thursday). With a bye week afterwards, that puts the other seven teams having two bye weeks in a row.

This year of course was more than that for all parties.

It's just as dumb IMO as playing a "national championship" game six weeks after one of the participants played its last game.

I stand corrected. But the fact remains nothing changes for the SWAC by moving the game up in the sense of any team having a better chance to get an at large bid in the playoffs.

 

[bluedog]

a couple of things need to change.

I agree with styles that a national championship should always be the goal. being recognized as the best is what you play for.

currently because the swac doesn't have 12 teams the scg is considered a post-season game and eliminates the participants from playoff consideration. I think expansion needs to be apart of the plan.

It's undeniable when 40,000+ people show up for a FCS game outside in december your doing something right. the rest of fcs is looking a little red faced and wondering how the worst conference in fcs can out draw the championship game. you know their trying to figure out how they can translate the swac's sucess into something useful for themselves.

I do think the championship game needs to be moved up. not sure what blue dog is talking about. I believe all the fbs conferences play one week after the last game and the swac is the only FCS conference with the game. so the only model to follow is fbs. my only concern with moving the game is how will it affect attendance. many people might need that extra time to plan and get their finances right to make it to the game. if this is supposed to be some type of bowl game.. lol... then move it to new orleans where we can have more fun.

until they make the playoffs profitable for participants you have to say forget the playoffs. In the meantime we need to play and beat them, making the swacs absence from the playoffs a noticable void and making the playoffs a sham if the swac isn't there.

That's a point I made.

 

[sharpy]

For the record, in Alabama the first week in December is reserved for the high school championships. The games start on Thursday. So when Thanksgiving is early like this year, the games were the 6,7, & 8. The late start caused SCG to be played on 12/15. Next year's game should be on 12/13.

 

[Panther88]

OK talk to your Presidents and ADs about it. Post their responses here.

That, mon amie, will squash all thoughts and ideas about it. :tup:

Either get behind it or get the hell on. And enough w/ the "mouthpiece" stuff already. Talking and loud and doing not a damned thing about it. :|

 

[Mr. Tiger]

I stand corrected. But the fact remains nothing changes for the SWAC by moving the game up in the sense of any team having a better chance to get an at large bid in the playoffs.

You have to keep in mind the playoffs will probably expand to 18 teams in 2008. And possibly 24 by 2010 or 2011, which may push the playoffs back.

 

[Tigerpride]

You have to keep in mind the playoffs will probably expand to 18 teams in 2008. And possibly 24 by 2010 or 2011, which may push the playoffs back.

I don't know why they want to expand the playoffs. It makes no real sense. Normally the top 4 teams are THE top for teams. Everyone else is wasting their time. 16 is the perfect number. Those bubble teams would only get their skulls bashed in. Do I wish the SWAC could get an at-large bid? Yes, but I prefer the SCG and playing good OOC competition during the regular season.

 

[Mr. Tiger]

I don't know why they want to expand the playoffs. It makes no real sense. Normally the top 4 teams are THE top for teams. Everyone else is wasting their time. 16 is the perfect number. Those bubble teams would only get their skulls bashed in. Do I wish the SWAC could get an at-large bid? Yes, but I prefer the SCG and playing good OOC competition during the regular season.

To be honest TP, there are too many I-AA schools and conferences. Some conferences like the Big South and Great West will be eligible for automatic bids but the current 16-game format isn't large enough to allow it. Those Great West teams are good so keeping them out would be insane, but taking away bids from the power conferences isn't an option either. So they must expand.

The NCAA has noticed that there are too many Division I teams and they are trying to figure out a way to control it. That's why they issued a memo to stop teams from moving from one division to the next.

 

[bluedog]

You have to keep in mind the playoffs will probably expand to 18 teams in 2008. And possibly 24 by 2010 or 2011, which may push the playoffs back.

Why would they push the starting date back? Wouldn't that force them to play longer into the holiday season, something they have steadfast fought against?

 

[Journalist]

The Great West is on life support after the Dakota schools (SD State, ND State) announced they were heading to the Gateway Conference, so look for the Great West, which membership has been fleeing a lot of late, to lose its bid.

IMO, didn't think the SCG should have even existed with a 9-game mandate. It's basically redundant in the conference's present format. The SCG should get some more relavance now the conference is going back to a 7-game slate, which could provide for matchups that didn't happen in the regular season.

And seriously, look at what it took for a 40,000-plus attendance this year ? Jackson State's first appearance since the first one in 1999 plus them playing Grambling. It's almost the perfect scenario the SWACs "Brain Trust" thought of when going to a two-division format (with the perfect scenario being SU-JSU).

Now if the NCAA is going to go to an 18-team format for its playoffs and possibly push it back a week...I say drop the SCG and give the seven other schools that are playoff eligible a shot at gaining NATIONAL respect. Unlike other FCS conferences, logic is a rare commodity in the SWAC. If that happens, only consider going with the SCG if and only if the conference expands to 12 teams.

 

[Bane]

Now if the NCAA is going to go to an 18-team format for its playoffs and possibly push it back a week...I say drop the SCG and give the seven other schools that are playoff eligible a shot at gaining NATIONAL respect. Unlike other FCS conferences, logic is a rare commodity in the SWAC. If that happens, only consider going with the SCG if and only if the conference expands to 12 teams.

You are darn shole right about that.

 

[jag4life]

How would they push back the playoffs with 2 more teams? Also, would 2 teams get byes? 18 is not a good "tournament" format number. It would have to be 24 without byes or 20 with byes.

Where did the info about 18 teams come from?

 

[Journalist]

How would they push back the playoffs with 2 more teams? Also, would 2 teams get byes? 18 is not a good "tournament" format number. It would have to be 24 without byes or 20 with byes.

Where did the info about 18 teams come from?

Here's some articles about the FCS expansion

http://www.collegesportingnews.com/article.asp?articleid=87791


http://www.sportsnetwork.com/defaul...sc/coulson_archive/around_the_fcs_092807a.htm

 

[jag4life]

^^^ Thanks.

I guess it would be like having play-in games like in basketball.

 

[Tigerpride]

With the SCG being played AFTER the FCS Championship (utterly ridiculous), it seems that the SWAC is fine with staying in their own little world. Yet, on the other hand, we get upset when we aren't respected out in the real world. Why is that?????

I am tryin to figure out how playing in the playoffs equates to respect in the real world? What is the difference in the SWAC using our OOC games to play 20-30 of the 1-AA PWCs that you all revere so much versus playing ONE game against one. You have only about 10 teams who have won the national championship in the last 30 years and those titles have done nothing to help them. App State is gonna be a nobody AGAIN in about 2 years. I'm sorry but I just miss the point about the greatness of the playoffs. If we improved our programs, we could send our second place teams regularly. That should be our goal. Our best does not belong in that mess especially when there are no financial opportunities.

 

[Mr. Tiger]

I am tryin to figure out how playing in the playoffs equates to respect in the real world? What is the difference in the SWAC using our OOC games to play 20-30 of the 1-AA PWCs that you all revere so much versus playing ONE game against one. You have only about 10 teams who have won the national championship in the last 30 years and those titles have done nothing to help them. App State is gonna be a nobody AGAIN in about 2 years. I'm sorry but I just miss the point about the greatness of the playoffs. If we improved our programs, we could send our second place teams regularly. That should be our goal. Our best does not belong in that mess especially when there are no financial opportunities.

We know that some members will use the 7-game mandate to schedule D2 and NAIA teams. This doesn't improve our programs and will not lead to our second place teams going to the playoffs.

 

[Da_Sperm]

We know that some members will use the 7-game mandate to schedule D2 and NAIA teams. This doesn't improve our programs and will not lead to our second place teams going to the playoffs.

We also know that some members will be lazy and schedule SWAC teams that are not on the rotation, which is simply IDIOTIC.

I would rather see teams play D2 and NAIA teams than to see 2 SWAC teams play each other and the game NOT COUNT. Every time two conference teams play each other in the regular season, it should be a CONFERENCE GAME!

 

[Tigerpride]

We know that some members will use the 7-game mandate to schedule D2 and NAIA teams. This doesn't improve our programs and will not lead to our second place teams going to the playoffs.

Other conferences do the same things. A while ago, the MEAC fined teams for scheduling more than one sub-1-AA team but even if we all played a D2 team, that still leaves a LOT of room to play more 1-AA teams. The top 20-30 D2 teams would be half of 1-AA anyway and that needs to be considered. Delta State would have beat a lot of Southland teams so what is the differnce in JSU playing Delta State vs a 2-9 Nicholls State? Don't get me wrong, the playoffs are not a horrible thing but just because you don't win the tourney does not mean you suck. Some teams will never win it or if they do, it will be every blue moon like the 1-A national championship. We can't settle on just ONE goal. We have a unique situation but the goal should be to improve the conference overall; not to compete in the playoffs. If SU beats McNeese and JSU beats NWState, and AlaState beats JxnVille State and UAPB beats Villanova, why are we going to the playoffs again? There is more than one way to skin a cat and the only way we will get respect is to improve as a conference. FAMU went to the semi-finals in 1999 or 2000 but the MEAC STILL does not get any respect. We are not as far behind as most want us to believe. Most teams would lose to the #1 or #2 seed. That is why they are the top seeds. We are not the only teams to be blown out and we don't always get blown out. We have more to be proud of than people (even ourselves) give us credit for. 1-AA has been in existence for 29 and at one point, JSU had gone to 12 of the first 20.

 

[bluedog]

The Great West is on life support after the Dakota schools (SD State, ND State) announced they were heading to the Gateway Conference, so look for the Great West, which membership has been fleeing a lot of late, to lose its bid.

IMO, didn't think the SCG should have even existed with a 9-game mandate. It's basically redundant in the conference's present format. The SCG should get some more relavance now the conference is going back to a 7-game slate, which could provide for matchups that didn't happen in the regular season.

And seriously, look at what it took for a 40,000-plus attendance this year ? Jackson State's first appearance since the first one in 1999 plus them playing Grambling. It's almost the perfect scenario the SWACs "Brain Trust" thought of when going to a two-division format (with the perfect scenario being SU-JSU).

Now if the NCAA is going to go to an 18-team format for its playoffs and possibly push it back a week...I say drop the SCG and give the seven other schools that are playoff eligible a shot at gaining NATIONAL respect. Unlike other FCS conferences, logic is a rare commodity in the SWAC. If that happens, only consider going with the SCG if and only if the conference expands to 12 teams.

Dropping the SCG doesn't do anything to make schools get an at large bid into the payoffs games.

All any of the other seven have to do is work a good OOC and win the games. As for as national attention, how much more National attenion do you think they're are going to get not making the last cut where those are the only ones that get any TV time?

Maybe you miss this but here's a link to show you just what those who would have us give up what we got think about all that national attention.

They should know they've been trying to get it for some time.

This is the real deal but some of you will die just to rub elbows at the bottom of the pit in hell.

They happy as hell ain't they.

:lmao:

 

[Tigerpride]

Dropping the SCG doesn't do anything to make schools get an at large bid into the payoffs games.

All any of the other seven have to do is work a good OOC and win the games. As for as national attention, how much more National attenion do you think they're are going to get not making the last cut where those are the only ones that get any TV time?

Maybe you miss this but here's a link to show you just what those who would have us give up what we got think about all that national attention.

They should know they've been trying to get it for some time.

Blue, some people seem to forget that we had TWO teams with a legit shot at going to the playoffs and shot themselves in the foot. Nobody told AAMU to lose to PV and schedule Clark. No one told PV to lose to UAPB and only schedule ONE non-conference game. If teams are serious about the playoffs, all they have to do is schedule like they are serious but these players nor coaches are concerned about the playoffs...half of them probably don't know about. I had to school so many Del State fans on the playoffs and 1-AA until it ain't funny. Most of them did not know the difference between D2 and D1-AA. They thought they were making history as the FIRST HBCU to go to the playoffs..... LOL There is only ONE mainstream brand of football and none of us seem interested in that or going where the money and visibility are. App State did bring visibility to 1-AA but before that, no one knew that they had won jack. Boise State left 1-AA and look at them now....at least people know who they are. We need to be concerned with makin the money necessary to improve our programs. The playoffs ain't the answer. It is not going to get our merchandise all over the nation.

 

[Tigerpride]

Blue, I just opened up your link and they are saying the SAME things I have been saying since that lightbulb came on in my head....:lmao: Did you post that on the MEAC board?

We may as well be D3. This is only ONE brand of football in the country. 1-AA is SMALLTIME to white people but we want to make that our ultimate goal. I'm sorry but I am much better than something second rate. HBCU ball is unique in 1-AA as we would be in 1-A. We could actually take over 1-AA if we wanted to becasue no one is paying the rest of them any attention. The SWAC could be the best thing going in 1-AA football if we could market it more to the mainstream and get more visibility...which can only be done with money.

I really hope that one day we can get the 8 team 1-A conference. A bottom feeder in 1-A beats the hell out of being a bottom feeder in 1-AA. :nod:

 

[Jafus (Thinker)]

Tigerpride,

I agree!! But, think about it. You do not view PVAMU or AAMU people, for that matter or at least for the most part, that have been concerned about the date of SCG. We understand our dilemma, direction and the ultimate goals we want to achieve for our football program and our athletic department.

 

[Mr. Tiger]

Blue, I just opened up your link and they are saying the SAME things I have been saying since that lightbulb came on in my head....:lmao: Did you post that on the MEAC board?

We may as well be D3. This is only ONE brand of football in the country. 1-AA is SMALLTIME to white people but we want to make that our ultimate goal. I'm sorry but I am much better than something second rate. HBCU ball is unique in 1-AA as we would be in 1-A. We could actually take over 1-AA if we wanted to becasue no one is paying the rest of them any attention. The SWAC could be the best thing going in 1-AA football if we could market it more to the mainstream and get more visibility...which can only be done with money.

I really hope that one day we can get the 8 team 1-A conference. A bottom feeder in 1-A beats the hell out of being a bottom feeder in 1-AA. :nod:

I agree with the part in bold. There is no benefit from being in the FCS/I-AA. if we don't participate in the playoffs. We outdraw everyone in the division. We could have a bowl game in I-A with a sizable payout. The top I-AA teams have larger budgets than the Louisiana-Monroe's of the world. But that's me dreaming. Our schools will not make that move.