JR
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TP, I thought you were the APR expert.
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TP, I thought you were the APR expert.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
I guess you missed what I previously posted below that was quoted straight from the NCAA Division I Academic Performance Program
Data Collection Guide, Page No. 51, entitled "CALCULATING THE APR FOR FIVE- AND SIX-YEAR DEGREE PROGRAMS". Like I said before, one has to be THOROUGHLY EMERSED to understand the NCAA guidelines on calculating APR.
JR
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Man, nobody is worried about all that Jayrob. Those kids that just graduated will still get jobs and no company is asking them about some damn APR. We don't play for anything but the SCG in football the revenue sport. So who is really worried about what it reflects? You guys worry to much about stuff that the WORLD don't care about. If the SEC had teams with APR issues. Then it would be mass media exposure and concern. And again you hope the NCAA drops some type of hammer for something that ain't really as bad as you guys want it to be. They need to be tracking money bags going to these athletes that do not go to either of our schools. Hell I would not be mad if the SWAC told the NCAA to go fugg themselves.
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
Didn't I tell you about trying to present facts to the Black Tea Party?
J-State2DaPoint
"Eye Of The Tiger"
SU set the "low" standard and everybody following their lead.
The SWAC office SU-pports it too. They're rewarding them for being dumb and irresponsible.
SU can't get their alumns to send their kids there. Now they can't get their athletes to go to class.
:smh:
My Lord. We In our last days.
The SWAC office SU-pports it too. They're rewarding them for being dumb and irresponsible.
SU can't get their alumns to send their kids there. Now they can't get their athletes to go to class.
:smh:
My Lord. We In our last days.
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
It's No Surprise: HBCU's Take Unfair Brunt of APR Football Postseason Penalties
By Chuck Burton
Publisher/Managing Editor
College Sports Journal
PHILADELPHIA, PA. — The NCAA has released its list of APR penalties, and it should be no surprise that it's the lowest-resource institutions of the FCS that have been disproportinately hit the hardest.
Seven schools that compete in football championship subdivision, including six HBCUs, were hit with multi-year punishments which include a postseason ban.
The APR is a formula concocted by the NCAA that came into place to address concerns regarding how student-athletes in certain sports were graduating.
As always, though, it's the schools with the least that get punished.
The seven schools hit with APR postseason bans in football are Alabama State, Florida A&M, Prairie View A&M, Savannah State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Mississippi Valley State, and St. Francis (PA).
Of these seven, the largest athletics department, in terms of spending and revenues, is the Red Flash of St. Francis (PA), who spent $11.8 million for the year.
The average spending and revenues of these seven schools net out to $8.4 million per athetic department per year, and collectively amount to less than the dollar value the University of Alabama spends on football alone during a season.
These seven schools are clearly not being punished for having renegade programs, to put it mildly.
None of them have won an FCS playoff game in the last twenty years.
St. Francis (PA) hasn't had a winning season since 1992.
Since 1999, Savannah State hasn't had a winning season and has hired nine different head football coaches.
The last time Mississippi Valey State was in striking distance of a SWAC championship was when Jerry Rice was catching passes for them.
So if creating a football powerhouse wasn't the reason, why are they suffering APR violations?
A much more likely reason is money.
The NCAA's APR formula is determined by granting points per marking period for retention (staying in school) and staying academically eligible (maintaining a certain grade point average).
But note that half of the computation for the APR has to do with retention, not academics.
That means if an athlete drops out due to family finances or family issues, that counts against the schools APR numbers.
What unites these HBCU's and St. Francis (PA) is that these schools are underresourced. With most spending less than $10 million annually on their entire athletic departments, any football scholarships have to frequently be split up.
http://www.college-sports-journal.c...ke-brunt-of-apr-football-postseason-penalties
By Chuck Burton
Publisher/Managing Editor
College Sports Journal
PHILADELPHIA, PA. — The NCAA has released its list of APR penalties, and it should be no surprise that it's the lowest-resource institutions of the FCS that have been disproportinately hit the hardest.
Seven schools that compete in football championship subdivision, including six HBCUs, were hit with multi-year punishments which include a postseason ban.
The APR is a formula concocted by the NCAA that came into place to address concerns regarding how student-athletes in certain sports were graduating.
As always, though, it's the schools with the least that get punished.
The seven schools hit with APR postseason bans in football are Alabama State, Florida A&M, Prairie View A&M, Savannah State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Mississippi Valley State, and St. Francis (PA).
Of these seven, the largest athletics department, in terms of spending and revenues, is the Red Flash of St. Francis (PA), who spent $11.8 million for the year.
The average spending and revenues of these seven schools net out to $8.4 million per athetic department per year, and collectively amount to less than the dollar value the University of Alabama spends on football alone during a season.
These seven schools are clearly not being punished for having renegade programs, to put it mildly.
None of them have won an FCS playoff game in the last twenty years.
St. Francis (PA) hasn't had a winning season since 1992.
Since 1999, Savannah State hasn't had a winning season and has hired nine different head football coaches.
The last time Mississippi Valey State was in striking distance of a SWAC championship was when Jerry Rice was catching passes for them.
So if creating a football powerhouse wasn't the reason, why are they suffering APR violations?
A much more likely reason is money.
The NCAA's APR formula is determined by granting points per marking period for retention (staying in school) and staying academically eligible (maintaining a certain grade point average).
But note that half of the computation for the APR has to do with retention, not academics.
That means if an athlete drops out due to family finances or family issues, that counts against the schools APR numbers.
What unites these HBCU's and St. Francis (PA) is that these schools are underresourced. With most spending less than $10 million annually on their entire athletic departments, any football scholarships have to frequently be split up.
http://www.college-sports-journal.c...ke-brunt-of-apr-football-postseason-penalties
Bleedbluefan
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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
You didn't read anything I typed did you? NO YOU DID NOT. Dude, you can't want to be buddy buddy with jsu when it is convenient and hate us the rest of the time. Aint no su and jsu, it's just yall this time around. Don't bunch us up with yall, we stand alone always! We are clowning everybody, because pretty much everybody that clowned us in 2011 are in trouble RIGHT NOW.....we focus on yall more because you sat there and lied saying everything was fine but in reality, you never did fix what had yall banned in the first place, we did so no su and jsu are not going through similar things. I admit you guys aren't repeat offenders, you just repeatedly keep having you name in the media due to something apr related. Finally, what some folks do for a living is not always reflected in their posts. If you are trying to determine people's intelligence off of a post, I would have to question yours because that is crazy as hell lol. Most of these posts have too much emotion in them anyway, If I was mentally slow I would think the forum has 95% women members, but then again Im not stupid.
You didn't read anything I typed did you? NO YOU DID NOT. Dude, you can't want to be buddy buddy with jsu when it is convenient and hate us the rest of the time. Aint no su and jsu, it's just yall this time around. Don't bunch us up with yall, we stand alone always! We are clowning everybody, because pretty much everybody that clowned us in 2011 are in trouble RIGHT NOW.....we focus on yall more because you sat there and lied saying everything was fine but in reality, you never did fix what had yall banned in the first place, we did so no su and jsu are not going through similar things. I admit you guys aren't repeat offenders, you just repeatedly keep having you name in the media due to something apr related. Finally, what some folks do for a living is not always reflected in their posts. If you are trying to determine people's intelligence off of a post, I would have to question yours because that is crazy as hell lol. Most of these posts have too much emotion in them anyway, If I was mentally slow I would think the forum has 95% women members, but then again Im not stupid.
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JAG89
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Can you believe he tried to say 5- and 6- year degree programs don't matter. I like watching them throwing stuff up against a wall and waiting for it to stick. :emlaugh:
Bleedbluefan
Ripbayless
Likewise.... yall keep trying to justify nvm go jags!
JR
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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
You have a lot to learn youngster. LOL. Media is the least of any of our worries. But again, you are not in the real world yet and not out of MS to understand that it aint no media blitz about poor SU. Carry on.
BTW, I don't need to be buddy buddy with any JSU poster on here. LOL. I got enough REAL JSU long term friends and relatives who think totally different than any of yall that post here. LOL.
You have a lot to learn youngster. LOL. Media is the least of any of our worries. But again, you are not in the real world yet and not out of MS to understand that it aint no media blitz about poor SU. Carry on.
BTW, I don't need to be buddy buddy with any JSU poster on here. LOL. I got enough REAL JSU long term friends and relatives who think totally different than any of yall that post here. LOL.
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JR
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LOL @ Bluedog. You are right.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
So are you saying that SU does not know how to calculate APR for a 5 year program? Im still confused.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
JR
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Hell, we didn't have folks doing their job for the years that are in question TP. So it would not shock me. That's just fact.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
I'm not justifying anything. SU does need to improve its athletic program APR. All I'm saying is that schools can improve their athletic program APR just by re-classifying some of their academic programs, especially those 5- and 6- year degree programs that are disguised as a 4-year program.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
150 semester hours is the SAME as it 30 hours a year or 15 hours per semester.. the SAME as it is for a 4 year degree. They BOTH need 30 hours a year or 15 hours per semester. I had already said that APR only counts HOURS. They don't count if you graduate. All they want to know is if the kid got 30 hours that year.
JR
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I thought he was saying folks were turning 4 year programs into 5 and 6 year programs to circumvent something. I wasn't following that argument.
JR
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Sounds like these articles are saying that retention is the biggest issue.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
How? They will need 30 hours a year regardless. How is a 6 year program disguised as a 4 year program anyway? If they are trying to make a kid take all of those hours in 4 years, it might hurt their GPA but as long as they are passing and being retained, it won't hurt the APR. Now, if they are flunking out, that is an SU problem...but I don't even see how an accrediting agency let's SU get away with trying to cram that many hours into 4 years IF that is what you are alledging.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
It likely is but in some cases, it's the hours. A kid could have a 4.0 but if he only has 57 hours and he is supposed to have 60, the school will be penalized. ..and that's easy to happen if a kid only has 15 semester hours to begin with and drops one. This is why transfers are risky. If the school does not accept the hours (especially JUCOs), they will be a junior on the field but a sophomore in the classroom and that is not acceptable even if the kid has excellent grades. .. so they will lose points.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
A lot schools do that in order to maintain enrollment in those programs. If those programs were presented as 5- and 6- year programs, a lot of students would probably choose another degree program. This has been a big discussion with the National Society of Professional Engineers (NSPE). NSPE is very concerned about this because there could be a drastic decline in individuals desiring to become Engineers.
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JR
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Yeah I can see that being an issue. Which is why I think APR is unfair. WE as regular students could drop a class and take in the summer or add more hours the next semester. A ball player can not and is expected to be at practice all the time and on the road. Northwestern players have the right idea to unionize. LOL.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
I guess but if they dont want to be in school that long, they NEED to change their major. Everyone knows an engineering degree takes 5-6 years. Even when I was at Tech, i NEVER heard of people trying to do it in 4. When I got to Tech for grad school, I was younger than a lot of the undergrads there. I ain't complain cause TP balled like I was still undergrad.. LOL
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
I see you weren't in a technical program. Let me TRY to help you understand. When I took fluid mechanics at SU, it was required that I enrolled in a fluid mechanics lab class too for an additional 3 hours a week in order to complete the course without getting an incomplete. I only received a total of 3 credit hours for taking the fluid mechanics lecture and the fluid mechanics lab, which required a totally of 6 hours per week of me physically being in class. Schools that are on the semester system, 3 hours per week in a class equals 3 credit hours. Engineering Schools can't meet ABET accreditation unless they show proof that their students have spent a certain amount of hours in lab classes before they graduate. In order for Engineering Schools to maintain enrollment, they hide those zero hour lab classes in their catalog. Most incoming students don't realize they have to take those classes until they are being advised by their academic counselor.
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