major095
ASU4real
I'll answer it like this. Anyone who does not believe in Christ and confess Him with his/her mouth has chosen a death penalty. "the wages of sin is death." There will be a lot of heterosexuals that receive the death penalty.
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I'll answer it like this. Anyone who does not believe in Christ and confess Him with his/her mouth has chosen a death penalty. "the wages of sin is death." There will be a lot of heterosexuals that receive the death penalty.
a JSU Tiger
"Tiger Born and Tiger Bred"
CEE DOG
Well-Known Member
So atheist got eternal life? :lol:
a JSU Tiger
"Tiger Born and Tiger Bred"
There is no proof of ANYONE getting eternal life. If you choose to believe so, that is fine. However no one else is required to believe as you do, nor are they required to live their lives by YOUR religious beliefs.
CEE DOG
Well-Known Member
Who said there was eternal life? :noidea: You asked did why did folks who believe still die. :idea:
JayRob
TigaPaw
The bible says there's eternal life.:lol: Romans 6:23. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
The bible says if you sin, you die. His point I believe was that if you're following the bible, then why are just as many Christians dying as non-Christians? Where's the advantage for Christians? Newsflash.....THERE IS NONE!!
Unknowm
Well-Known Member
So your God made all of creation because he's a huge narcissist and needs inferior beings to worship him, and then when his creatures doubt or refuse to take his existence on faith because he decided to "go incognito" approximately 2000 years+ ago, he will be angry and rageful and condemn people to eternal hell and punishment?
THAT'S the image your religion sells of a supposedly omnipotent, all powerful, no-beginning-and-no-end being? Really? You believe that?
Your God sounds awfully human. Why do you think he is subject to so many human vices and characteristics? :crazy:
major095
ASU4real
Hey man, it's not my job to convince you of anything at all. It's my job to love you and tell you the truth. I've done/doing both. What you do with it is your choice. If you want to believe the easter bunny sits on the throne go for it. I'll love you regardless. I do realize that it doesn't matter what I say to you, you've got your beliefs. In that case I'll just be a witness that you were informed. In the mean time I will pray that you have one of those Saul meetings with Jesus that changed his mind on the issue b/c I'd like to meet you a gate #7. Peace to you.
JayRob
TigaPaw
So you're only showing love to folks because you were commanded to do so in order to go to a heaven? That sounds like a bribe.
Which is more ethical: 1) to show genuine love just for the sake of it, with no promise of receiving any reward from a god; OR 2) to show genuine love because you were promised a reward? Think about it before you answer.
I say the former is far more ethical. One is not being bribed into obedience, but he does it because he chooses to.
And how is it showing love, to burn someone in eternal fire forever and ever? That's not love, that's sounds like the height of evil.
Which is more ethical: 1) to show genuine love just for the sake of it, with no promise of receiving any reward from a god; OR 2) to show genuine love because you were promised a reward? Think about it before you answer.
I say the former is far more ethical. One is not being bribed into obedience, but he does it because he chooses to.
And how is it showing love, to burn someone in eternal fire forever and ever? That's not love, that's sounds like the height of evil.
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major095
ASU4real
lol.. As Christians, we are called to love our brothers, who we see every day, the way Christ loves us and sacrificed his life for us. It is impossible to love Christ, who we never see in the natural for some time, if we do not love our brothers that we see every day. My love for you and my other brothers is evidence of my love for Christ. That love is not contingent on what you do or don't do, what you say or do not say. It is the same love that Christ shows us. I love him because he loved me first, even before I knew him. Understand, everything we do is a choice. I chose to submit myself to Christ and attempt to do all that He has asked me to(unsuccessfully in most instances). You may call that a bribe, but Jesus did say, "If you love me, feed my sheep." How can I claim to love Him if I don't follow that commandment? ( understand as well that love does not mean acceptance. I can love you and tell you that you are wrong.... I do that with my 4 children all the time, and in fact if I didn't not do that I'd submit that I didn't love them.)
so no, I love you not in seeking a heavenly reward, but I love you because Christ first loved me. Peace to you brother.
JayRob
TigaPaw
So what you're saying is, if there there was no Christ, you wouldn't have any love for others?Is that accurate?
How did humans learn to love each other before this Christ came on the scene only 2,000 years ago? Inspite of there not being a Christ, humans managed to survive and get along with each other for thousands and thousands of years, most having never heard of any Christ.
Thousands of years before Christ and Christianity came on the scene, mothers still loved their children, fathers still loved their sons and daughters, neighbors still loved neighbor. They accomplished this love without a Christ didn't they? Yes they did.
But getting back to the thread subject, the bible still says that homosexuals are condemned to death. How is that showing love to homosexuals and/or men who want to marry each other because they love each other? These men aren't going to change their nature, so being a Christian and bible believer, do you agree with the bible that homosexuals should be put to death?
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major095
ASU4real
You got me... It's all a fraud....well at least I am blessed that I don't have to have all the answers and know I never will. I have to operate in faith. Again I say, I understand you will have a retort for whatever I say so it matters not what I say. more important to me is how I live. so I'll do my best to live up to the example that Christ set knowing I will fall short but also knowing that I have already accepted salvation. hope to see you at gate #7. I will respond no further. Peace to you brother.
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a JSU Tiger
"Tiger Born and Tiger Bred"
Yet you post with the authority of someone who does. Funny how that works.
If only "how you live" was what was important.
Christians and other very religious are notorious for trying to force everyone else to live like them through force of LAW, because their message is unattractive and humans yearn to be free. It happens in the middle east, and it happens here to a lesser extent. Thankfully, less and less here.
The cure on this issue is to not get a gay marriage if you are against it. No amount of internet or street preaching is going to convince a gay person they are not entitled to full rights and privileges of citizenship in this country.
Live your life righteously as YOUR book demands you do, and let others live THEIR lives.
You don't see the Jews trying to outlaw pork, do you? Or the Amish marching on Washington to make America electricity-free?
You also manage to agree that people should be FREE to be other-than-Christian or non-Christian, correct? That flies against the Bible's #1 tenant, yet you manage to live.
If Christians really were about enforcing God's will they would trash the first Amendment, institute a state religion (Christianity) and enforce it by rule of law.
So looks like there's nothing left for you to do here.
JayRob
TigaPaw
One side you claim humility, then the next you claim that you KNOW there's a heaven and that you'll be there. I know you said you won't answer any further, but I'll ask any way. How is it showing love, to expel someone to hell fire for ALL eternity just because they choose to love someone of the same gender?
Folks still have this mindset and many of them, especially in the South, can't explain why. Even when they try and explain it, they make no logical sense.
It's ashamed that homosexuals will be burning in hell fire for simply loving someone.
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illinijag
Called to Serve
Disclaimer: This message is only to those who believe in the one and only true God, the God who provided the Saviour (Jesus Christ).
:clap: That is enough proof for me. However, proof does not always promote belief or better still, FAITH.
:read:
Romans 1:20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
Good Day and God Bless
:clap: That is enough proof for me. However, proof does not always promote belief or better still, FAITH.
:read:
Romans 1:20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
Good Day and God Bless
SUJagFan
Well-Known Member
Wow!
That's good stuff. Many are going to totally miss that. They are going to read it and still miss it.
Actually, that entire passage has some good stuff to say about ... a lot of things.
18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 ¶ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 ¶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 ¶ And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 ¶ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 ¶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 ¶ And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Roman 1: 18 - 32 KJV
Y'all have a good day ....
The Founder
Well-Known Member
That has made my year....Great response!!!!
bernard
THEE Realist
Are you serious? When someone can't engage in an intelligent conversation and just post bible verses, I'm not impressed. Just another example of the blind leading the blind?
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JayRob
TigaPaw
You seem to have the terms "belief" and "faith" confused. Neither is proof of anything. Faith is merely a belief in something. Faith requires no evidence.
If the verse you quoted was accurate, there wouldn't be 30,000 different denominations in the religion of Christianity where people who claim to believe in the same god and are reading the same book have vastly differing views on who that god is and what his teachings are. So evidently, nothing is clearly seen nor understood or there wouldn't be thousands and thousands of differing opinions over one book.
This is exactly what one would expect from a book written by mere men.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Wow!
That's good stuff. Many are going to totally miss that. They are going to read it and still miss it.
Actually, that entire passage has some good stuff to say about ... a lot of things.
18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 ¶ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 ¶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 ¶ And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Roman 1: 18 - 32 KJV
Y'all have a good day ....
If you make the claims that folks who don't believe in the biblical god are given over to evil, I can list dozens and dozens of evil acts that were performed and commanded by the biblical god. If this is the case, where did his mind come from? Who gave him over to evil acts?
One can't point an "evil" finger at someone without looking at the "evil" finger being pointed back at him.
For example, who would order the deaths of innocent babies, children and women? Who would allow fathers to sell their daughters to their rapists and force them to marry their rapist for life? Who would order the death penalty to two consenting adults simply for having sex? Who would order the death of people for contacting mediums or astrologists? Millions of professing Christians look at their horoscopes every day. If the bible was REALLY followed, those people would be ordered to death for this. Think about it.
The bible is a book written by men, with human tendencies, human minds, human thoughts and human orders and why?
Because no true "loving" god would order the deaths of millions of humans for the above acts.
It's a good thing bible-believers don't actually live by EVERY word of the bible or there wouldn't be any left on earth.
Any how, it's your prerogative to believe what you want to believe but let's not point the finger without looking in the mirror.
Unknowm
Well-Known Member
Wow!
That's good stuff. Many are going to totally miss that. They are going to read it and still miss it.
Actually, that entire passage has some good stuff to say about ... a lot of things.
18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 ¶ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 ¶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 ¶ And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Roman 1: 18 - 32 KJV
Y'all have a good day ....
It's your Big Book of Rules, not mine. I don't care if you pray until your knees bleed. It has nothing to do with me.
JayRob
TigaPaw
:lol:
SUJagFan
Well-Known Member
Au contraire, mon frere.
It's your Big Book of Rules too and has EVERYTHING to do with you.
Believe it or not.
illinijag
Called to Serve
Disclaimer: This message is only to those who believe in the one and only true God, the God who provided the Saviour (Jesus Christ).
What if God made Himself human and lived among natural man: Would natural man love the works of God; Would natural man love God’s word; but most of all, Would Natural Man Love God?
Luke 19:14. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
If natural man hated God in the flesh and eventually killed Him, should it be a surprise if man hates God’s word, when such is presented by man?
John 15:18-19. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
As Christians we are not commanded nor encouraged to enter into discussions, disputes and/or debates with natural men who despises God’s word.
Why?
1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 10:26-27 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
As Christians, we are commanded to proclaim God’s word and leave it to God to make His word effectual. When we engage in endless debates with non-believers we allow God’s word to be mocked, belittled and blasphemed; such does not give glory to God. Also, engaging in such feeds only our pride (which God Hates) and allows us to promote the evil we seek to suppress. Even if we assume to have won one of these debates, such give glory to man (us), not God.
If you find no truth in my words, Please accept His words
Matthew 7:6. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matthew 15:14. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Proverbs 9:7-8 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot. Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Good Day and God Bless
:lecture: The court that is Supreme to All courts, resides not in Washington, DC. The truly Supreme court has no jury and worketh all things after the counsel of his (God’s) will.
What if God made Himself human and lived among natural man: Would natural man love the works of God; Would natural man love God’s word; but most of all, Would Natural Man Love God?
Luke 19:14. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
If natural man hated God in the flesh and eventually killed Him, should it be a surprise if man hates God’s word, when such is presented by man?
John 15:18-19. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
As Christians we are not commanded nor encouraged to enter into discussions, disputes and/or debates with natural men who despises God’s word.
Why?
1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 10:26-27 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
As Christians, we are commanded to proclaim God’s word and leave it to God to make His word effectual. When we engage in endless debates with non-believers we allow God’s word to be mocked, belittled and blasphemed; such does not give glory to God. Also, engaging in such feeds only our pride (which God Hates) and allows us to promote the evil we seek to suppress. Even if we assume to have won one of these debates, such give glory to man (us), not God.
If you find no truth in my words, Please accept His words
Matthew 7:6. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matthew 15:14. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Proverbs 9:7-8 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot. Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Good Day and God Bless
:lecture: The court that is Supreme to All courts, resides not in Washington, DC. The truly Supreme court has no jury and worketh all things after the counsel of his (God’s) will.