So...how many kids would y'all have nowadays?

[Kendrick]

Kendrick...at the end of the day...we are speaking of adults, the majority with no mental/physical issues who continue to make bad choices....and there is a lack of accountability and trying to institute ANY accountability for these grown ups making grown up decisions is met with derision, obstruction and disdain in may cases....BUT no input from the ones they need to support them is asked at the time they make their CHOICES....we keep going around and around...but until they get some tough talk or placed in a situation where they have to truly learn survival skills, this will continue...

The statements about choices and accountability have been established.

We can talk about what and who is at fault or blame all day.

But the most important thing, at this point, is how these people can get assistance they need.

 

[chocalate_topaz]

The statements about choices and accountability have been established.

We can talk about what and who is at fault or blame all day.

But the most important thing, at this point, is how these people can get assistance they need.

How does you, me, and others on this board get what they need? They figure it out. Life lessons--without lights in the summer, holes in shoes, insufficient coat in the winter--those things created character, a fire of "how I never want to live again/experience again" deep within us...so we made new choices that changed LIFE for us. I can't make a person be grown mentally...something has to "click" in their minds to get there and say, hey, I want more/better/above where I am for me and mine...I will help but I'll also get a mirror out...

 

[SleepyCrat]

The statements about choices and accountability have been established.

We can talk about what and who is at fault or blame all day.

But the most important thing, at this point, is how these people can get assistance they need.

Ken, that's unfair man. You can't have a conversation like this without talking about choices and accountability in tandem. They are at the crux of this issue. If we use the lady in the OP as a talking point, it's unfair to just blame the lack of pregnancy prevention resources for her situation. If she was a teenager with her first child, that would be understandable that there was a failure of a system to help curtail something like that, if she had someone and they died leaving her with 5 kids, I could see that.

So, Ken be honest with me, you telling me that she(nor any of the fathers) has no responsibility in her situation at all? If so, what part of this situation is she responsible for and what part is she not?

Why can't we operate with the understanding that the government is made to forsake us and that everything we do to help our lives must come from ourselves?