Should "The Marching 100" be disbanded for a couble of years?
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unknown
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How many of those PWC and HBCU.. along with football teams and frats have beaten someone to death RIGHT on a damn bus? I'm sorry man but naw, this logic makes no sense. And that line of thinking is EXACTLY why it'll happen again because everytime it happens they get away with it. And the pathetic part is, how many times has FAMU band been in trouble for this in the past 10 years? What you supposed to do, keep overlooking it and make the whole university suffer? That makes no sense.
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I actually think the solution is quite simple. During band camp registration, every student signs a release, releasing the University from liability should harm come to them at the hands of another student. The release would also stipulate the repercussions that would arise from confirmation of hazing activity. In addition to that, you bring all of the band students, dancing girls, flag lines, drum majors, band managers and other students into the band hall, lock the door AND YOU SPELL IT OUT IN EXPLICIT DETAIL THAT HAZING OF ANY KIND WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. You tell these freshman that if they allow an upperclassmen to coerce them into doing ANYTHING they're on their own. You tell the upperclassmen if they put their hands on a freshman, they will be expelled, and possibly arrested and prosecuted.
Then, you end the discussion by saying there are five or six people in this very room who have already been granted prosecutorial immunity in exchange for their cooperation, so nobody will know who's watching.
And then sit back and watch what DOESN'T happen. But as always, some idiot is gonna test the system, so you'll have to make an example out of somebody. And when that happens, the staff and administration needs to act swiftly and decisively, and the other students will fall in line.
These kids will start to realize that hazing is not worth sacrificing your future...
As much as I love the Sonic Boom, I be gott-dayummed if I bet my future on trying to get a muah-fugga to pledge the Mellophone section.. Man, phugg the Mellophones (and any other section)
I ain't worth it..
Uh, FAMU already did that and it didn't work.
unknown
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Why is the band special though? If this was a frat they would've been kicked off the yard point blank, period. Hell frats have been kicked off the yard for WAY less. You cut the numbers of the band.. which is no guarantee you get all the folks that do the hazing, and 3 years from now you're right back in the same place. This is exactly why it STILL happens down there, they keep giving them a pass.
JR
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I actually think the solution is quite simple. During band camp registration, every student signs a release, releasing the University from liability should harm come to them at the hands of another student. The release would also stipulate the repercussions that would arise from confirmation of hazing activity. In addition to that, you bring all of the band students, dancing girls, flag lines, drum majors, band managers and other students into the band hall, lock the door AND YOU SPELL IT OUT IN EXPLICIT DETAIL THAT HAZING OF ANY KIND WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. You tell these freshman that if they allow an upperclassmen to coerce them into doing ANYTHING they're on their own. You tell the upperclassmen if they put their hands on a freshman, they will be expelled, and possibly arrested and prosecuted.
Then, you end the discussion by saying there are five or six people in this very room who have already been granted prosecutorial immunity in exchange for their cooperation, so nobody will know who's watching.
And then sit back and watch what DOESN'T happen. But as always, some idiot is gonna test the system, so you'll have to make an example out of somebody. And when that happens, the staff and administration needs to act swiftly and decisively, and the other students will fall in line.
These kids will start to realize that hazing is not worth sacrificing your future...
As much as I love the Sonic Boom, I be gott-dayummed if I bet my future on trying to get a muah-fugga to pledge the Mellophone section.. Man, phugg the Mellophones (and any other section)
I ain't worth it..
Good post homie. But I think a lot of our schools are already doing that. They did that at SU even before we had our issue a few years ago. I think even our law school folks came to talk to the band before the season about hazing. I know the fraternities and sororities have been doing that for legal reasons as well. I guess once these cats violate that document. You just follow through on the punishment. If getting hauled off to jail with the cameras rolling and expelled like what happened to the SU band members don't change folks tune. I don't know what will. I guess folks will have to do some hard time before it becomes serious enough for people to stop the madness.
I feel you on what you said about not pledging a section. I mean really. We both know you go through your little isht during the season as a crab in every section. We all did. It shouldn't be anything that might kill you or hurt you. But hell, to actual pledge a section is crazy. Go pledge something legit where you get a document for that isht if you want to pledge. LOL. Hopefully all bands will understand this and move forward.
southsuburbs
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"rewarding" them!? :lol: A lie!! Most band members prefer to participate in halftime at a game vs. a battle of the bands (most battle of the bands are for high schools...not the Classics). and the money is going back to the University/band program.
I was jus throwing it out there though...*shrugs*
JR
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Good idea Frat. I think that would be a start in the right direction.
southsuburbs
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Correct me if I'm wrong but dont' music majors (not sure of which field) have to participate in marching band in order to graduate? If so...How will this affect music majors that have to particpate in marching band for at least a year/semester if it's suspended?
That's the difference from suspended a course curriculum (that you get a grade from) vs. football, Greek organization, etc. This is an actual class.
:noidea:
I think the best way to limit hazing (b/c those that want to continue will do so until they realize shyt is real) is by holding BOTH sides accountable equally and by limiting the number of people in the program (as someone else pointed out above). There's no need to have all those daymn folks in the band. Folks that are serious about marching/music and school don't have time to sit around and be "extremely" hazed for damn near 4 months PLUS go to practice, etc. :lol:
You get rid of weak players...that will start to eliminate some of the issues.
That's the difference from suspended a course curriculum (that you get a grade from) vs. football, Greek organization, etc. This is an actual class.
:noidea:
I think the best way to limit hazing (b/c those that want to continue will do so until they realize shyt is real) is by holding BOTH sides accountable equally and by limiting the number of people in the program (as someone else pointed out above). There's no need to have all those daymn folks in the band. Folks that are serious about marching/music and school don't have time to sit around and be "extremely" hazed for damn near 4 months PLUS go to practice, etc. :lol:
You get rid of weak players...that will start to eliminate some of the issues.
CEE DOG
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Well all that battle of the bands is new anyway. :lol: Aye, I am old school, our battle was in the stands or parades. :lmao: The only time I remember a battle of the band was in 1991 at the old Fulton County stadium in Atl, and i was to drunk to even remember that one really. :emlaugh: I know I was on the bus, got off the bus, and made it back to Huntsville. I even lost my favorite strap on the bus. I was pissed about that too. :emlaugh:
Clarksdale_Wildcat
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What should be the difference in punishing a marching band versus a Greek-lettered organization? Are we saying that it should be acceptable to allow the bands to participate after being caught in the act of hazing? At some point in time, our leaders need to make an example out of the bands just as they do the Greek-lettered organizations.
CEE DOG
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I am not saying give them a pass. I guess my focus is more on the kids who depend on that scholarship money. Truth be told, must of the folks who act ignant, are the ones not on scholarship. It is the ones who have other aid to get them in school. I know folks who marched in the 100 from that community college that were known for being tough on rookies. Cut that pipe line and stuff like that would help.
JR
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I don't know about FAMU. But it depends on what their concentration is within the Music Major. When I was at SU. I knew some music majors who didn't march in the Jukebox. They were all the ensembles and stuff. But their concentration was not Music Education either. So I guess if you are going to teach then it is a requirement. But we had tons of cats over in the Jazz band that Baptiste ran at SU that never came over to bandroom. LOL. My classmate Wes Anderson on sax is a prime example. He was a Music Major (Instrumental) and has gone on to play professionally, where as my crab brother Ralph Chapman who was interim BD at Bama State in 99 was a Music Education Major which required marching band time. Don't know how many years it requires. But if you gone be a band director or teach I am sure you got to do it all 4 years.
Storm96
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The Ocean of Soul got disbanded after that Japan fiasco. Surely homicide is grounds for disbanding an organization for a period of time.
southsuburbs
What I Live By...
Really?! For how long?
Considering a death a occurred, combined with other hazing incidents involving the band in the past, I think there really isn't any other choice but to suspend or ban the band indefinitely. A message has got to be sent here. Not only to FAMU, but to every collegiate band/organization in the country.
Apparently less than a year...this was back in 1993 right?
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
NO SPECIAL EVENTS.
Not even if they get invited by the President for a White House Performance. :tup:
The alternative is being disbanned outright for X amount of time and ya'll know they thinking about that down in Florida. Someone died and something drastic is going to happen as for punishment. Ya'll can count on that. :tup:
Storm96
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I'm not sure how long but it took damn near 10 years for their band to get back to being relevant.
Storm96
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this is all I could find. All I know was that it wasn't the same when it came back.
TSU band reinstated after theft scandal - Texas Southern University
Sept 27, 1993
After the shoplifting scandal that forced Texas Southern University officals to disband their marching unit (Jet, Feb. 8), the student body will once again be permitted to perform as the Ocean of Soul.
Former TSU President William H. Harris disbanded the group after about 30 members reportedly shoplifted $22,000 worth of electronics during a trip to Tokyo. While he agreed that the band could be reinstated this fall, Harris was against keeping the name Ocean of Soul. University Regents, however, said they were not opposed to the band using the same name. Student government president Barbara Gilliam said, "We shouldn't have to change our name just because of one unfortunate incident."
southsuburbs
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I posted the article in thread titled "FAMU fires Dr. White".
It says the Task Force asked FAMU to halt dismissals of Dr. White and I think the 4 students as well until the investigation is complete.
JR
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I think that was mostly due to TxSU removing Ben Butler from being the band director and the backlash from it. Prof Lee came in from Howard and made some changes that folks didn't like as well. Had TxSU just suspended the band for a little while and then allowed Butler to continue. The Ocean would have recovered very quickly. I can still remember Doc Greggs having the Jukebox spell BEN on the field when they came to Houston the very next time in salute to his boy. He was pissed how they did Butler.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
You can disband them but that won't stop the hazing. Nothing will ever stop hazing. Look at how they suspend greek chapters for years, bring them back and they go RIGHT back to hazing.
JR
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Yeah this happened in Dec 92 I believe and they suspended them in the early part of 93 after the holidays and first of the year. They were back on the field that Fall at some point I think. Getting old. LOL.