Seven FCS teams cash in via upsets


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Big paydays. Even bigger upsets. That is exactly what the seven FCS teams that won on the road against FBS teams got through Saturday as the college football season opened in earnest.


FCS Steals The Spotlight

Eastern Washington The best way to sum up the FCS over FBS upsets that kicked off the new season in rollicking fashion? Surprising but not shocking. From ESPN Stats & Info:

• 4 FCS teams won against FBS teams Saturday alone, bringing the total to 7 for Week 1. It's the most wins by FCS schools over FBS schools in a single week since 2000.


• Perhaps the biggest shocker was Eastern Washington winning at No. 25 Oregon State. It marked just the third time since 2000 that an FCS school beat a ranked FBS school.


• McNeese State won in dominating fashion, 53-21 at South Florida. The 32-point win is the largest by an FCS school over an FBS school since Troy beat Louisiana-Monroe by 32 in 2001.


• Could it continue next week? Sam Houston State -- a 74-0 winner over Houston Baptist on Saturday -- plays at Texas A&M.


The seven FCS teams raked in a total of $2.375 million, ranging from $225,000 to $450,000 each.

Eastern Washington became only the third FCS (formerly Division I-AA) team to beat a ranked FBS team, knocking off No. 25 Oregon State 49-45. In similarly stunning fashion, North Dakota State shocked defending co-Big 12 champion Kansas State 24-21 on Friday.

McNeese State routed South Florida 53-21, the most points scored by an FCS team against an FBS opponent. Also, Eastern Illinois dominated San Diego State 40-19, Northern Iowa beat Iowa State 28-20, Towson defeated UConn 33-18 and Southern Utah edged South Alabama 22-21

• Eastern Washington, $450,000 from Oregon State;

• McNeese State, $400,000 from South Florida;

• North Dakota State, $350,000 from Kansas State;

• Northern Iowa, $350,000 from Iowa State;

• Eastern Illinois, $325,000 from San Diego State;

• Towson, $275,000 from UConn;

• Southern Utah, $225,000 from South Alabama
 
This past weekend should be an impetus for our schools to send coaches to visit these other coaches to see what they doing that we're not. No reason we shouldn't field teams that can compete and beat some of these FBS schools.

And I'm glad I see the money they got paid. See what the market is.
 



Robber said:
This past weekend should be an impetus for our schools to send coaches to visit these other coaches to see what they doing that we're not. No reason we shouldn't field teams that can compete and beat some of these FBS schools.

And I'm glad I see the money they got paid. See what the market is.
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Add our ADs to that list too I often wonder are our ADs networking with these other schools to see what they are doing... I know for a fact the OVC schools are but not for sure if the SWAC ADs are..
 
Robber said:
This past weekend should be an impetus for our schools to send coaches to visit these other coaches to see what they doing that we're not. No reason we shouldn't field teams that can compete and beat some of these FBS schools.

And I'm glad I see the money they got paid. See what the market is.
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I agree. But...

The FCS teams who were able to beat FBS schools were the upper echelon FCS squads. Eastern Washington is the defending national champion. North Dakota State was another highly-ranked FCS school.

HBCUs don't even play those schools very often during the regular season to get a gauge on where they're supposed to be in relationship to them.
 
kendrick said:
I agree. But...

The FCS teams who were able to beat FBS schools were the upper echelon FCS squads. Eastern Washington is the defending national champion. North Dakota State was another highly-ranked FCS school.

HBCUs don't even play those schools very often during the regular season to get a gauge on where they're supposed to be in relationship to them.
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NDSU has won the last two titles. EW won before that. Everything else I agree with...
 
Robber said:
This past weekend should be an impetus for our schools to send coaches to visit these other coaches to see what they doing that we're not. No reason we shouldn't field teams that can compete and beat some of these FBS schools.

And I'm glad I see the money they got paid. See what the market is.
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A better idea would be to look at some of their assistants and hire them. You can't expect the guys we have now to do any better than they've been doing. We are at a point where we don't even expect to win OOC games.
 
kendrick said:
I agree. But...

The FCS teams who were able to beat FBS schools were the upper echelon FCS squads. Eastern Washington is the defending national champion. North Dakota State was another highly-ranked FCS school.

HBCUs don't even play those schools very often during the regular season to get a gauge on where they're supposed to be in relationship to them.
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I don't think these coaches/schools would turn down a visit from us because we don't play them. I'm more inclined to believe they'd be more willing to entertain the offer since they won't be seeing us on the field. Who knows, it may begin a relationship where we can start playing them. All we want is the knowledge. Quit being to too proud to ask others for help or guidance. Tom Osborne finally realized his big husky Huskers teams were good in the Big 8/12, but not good enough to beat Florida State or Miami at the time. Why were they better than his teams??? He spent a week in Tallahassee with Bobby Bowden and found out. He needed more speed. His teams were too slow He took that blueprint and built them 90's Huskers teams that smashed everything in their wake, all while keeping is option based offense. Whatever it is we're doing don't work too well OOC. The winners this past weekend may be upper echelon, but that doesn't mean we can't monitor and learn how they do it.
 
Robber said:
I don't think these coaches/schools would turn down a visit from us because we don't play them. I'm more inclined to believe they'd be more willing to entertain the offer since they won't be seeing us on the field. Who knows, it may begin a relationship where we can start playing them. All we want is the knowledge. Quit being to too proud to ask others for help or guidance. Tom Osborne finally realized his big husky Huskers teams were good in the Big 8/12, but not good enough to beat Florida State or Miami at the time. Why were they better than his teams??? He spent a week in Tallahassee with Bobby Bowden and found out. He needed more speed. His teams were too slow He took that blueprint and built them 90's Huskers teams that smashed everything in their wake, all while keeping is option based offense. Whatever it is we're doing don't work too well OOC. The winners this past weekend may be upper echelon, but that doesn't mean we can't monitor and learn how they do it.
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I remember Coach Richardson going to Florida State back in the day and learning their system.
 
Robber said:
I don't think these coaches/schools would turn down a visit from us because we don't play them. I'm more inclined to believe they'd be more willing to entertain the offer since they won't be seeing us on the field. Who knows, it may begin a relationship where we can start playing them. All we want is the knowledge. Quit being to too proud to ask others for help or guidance. Tom Osborne finally realized his big husky Huskers teams were good in the Big 8/12, but not good enough to beat Florida State or Miami at the time. Why were they better than his teams??? He spent a week in Tallahassee with Bobby Bowden and found out. He needed more speed. His teams were too slow He took that blueprint and built them 90's Huskers teams that smashed everything in their wake, all while keeping is option based offense. Whatever it is we're doing don't work too well OOC. The winners this past weekend may be upper echelon, but that doesn't mean we can't monitor and learn how they do it.
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Not with the guys we have. They don't have the capacity. Osborne was a great coach who had fallen somewhat behind the times. He had the innate coaching skill, he just needed to learn some new tricks. Our coaches aren't even good to begin with. They only look good when facing other HBCU coaches.
 
Robber said:
This past weekend should be an impetus for our schools to send coaches to visit these other coaches to see what they doing that we're not. No reason we shouldn't field teams that can compete and beat some of these FBS schools.

And I'm glad I see the money they got paid. See what the market is.
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Eddie Robinson went to coaching clinics. Jake Gaither hosted them. Woody Hayes paid the highest complement to Billy Nicks.
 
alot of these top FCS schools are willing to do what it takes to win.....they have several advantages

1. They have the 'white is right' mentality so they can attract the black kid with HBCU ties and they'll get the white kid 99% of the time who is not good for FBS, but a good FCS talent.

2. Their academic restrictions are looser than HBCUs but that tends to be overlooked. They can enroll a kid minutes after he's kicked out a FBS and their majoring in general studies...they allow way more waivers for athletes to bypass normal standards than most HBCUs.

3. They're located in 1-horse towns so they have the support of the town and look of a big program even though their attendance does not reflect the support...Sam Houston State drew only 9K for their season opener
 
I can't speak for any other state, but the PWC FCS schools in Louisiana are all state schools, as are the two HBCU's in Louisiana. The admissions policies are equal. Southern has it's own board, but...you can't tout Southern as an example of a team with tighter entrance restrictions than the PWCs in Louisiana...not with their grade fixing scandal several years back...

And, not everybody with a record of success is willing to take just any transfer....

Just last year, when Tyrann Mathieu got into trouble at LSU, he loaded up his belongings and headed to Lake Charles with the expectation that he'd walk right in and play. Matt Viator explained that he needed to step back, take a deep breath and think about what he wanted to accomplish...and that if he needed to be sure he wanted to be at McNeese because there were going to be conditions and expectations before he'd be able to set foot on the field...Viator told him that he needed to go back to New Orleans and think about things over the weekend and that they'd talk, if Matthieu still wanted to, after that....

They were the same conditions and expectations that were laid out to Jantzen Jackson, who's father Lance Guidry, was - at the time - a former McNeese coach and player, the previous year when he got into trouble at Tennessee...Lance is back on staff now..

Matthieu apparently didn't like what he heard and decided not to enroll...

We turn FBS transfers away all the time...it depends on the kid..why he left the previous school and whether or not we have a tie to him....we've taken exactly ONE kid that we didn't have some sort of tie to...a QB from Tulsa who transferred in, but he came down, asked for the opportunity and paid his own way...he ended up playing a considerable amount for us before a concussion sidelined him for about half the season....
 



FrmrPokeCntr said:
I can't speak for any other state, but the PWC FCS schools in Louisiana are all state schools, as are the two HBCU's in Louisiana. The admissions policies are equal. Southern has it's own board, but...you can't tout Southern as an example of a team with tighter entrance restrictions than the PWCs in Louisiana...not with their grade fixing scandal several years back...

And, not everybody with a record of success is willing to take just any transfer....

Just last year, when Tyrann Mathieu got into trouble at LSU, he loaded up his belongings and headed to Lake Charles with the expectation that he'd walk right in and play. Matt Viator explained that he needed to step back, take a deep breath and think about what he wanted to accomplish...and that if he needed to be sure he wanted to be at McNeese because there were going to be conditions and expectations before he'd be able to set foot on the field...Viator told him that he needed to go back to New Orleans and think about things over the weekend and that they'd talk, if Matthieu still wanted to, after that....

They were the same conditions and expectations that were laid out to Jantzen Jackson, who's father Lance Guidry, was - at the time - a former McNeese coach and player, the previous year when he got into trouble at Tennessee...Lance is back on staff now..

Matthieu apparently didn't like what he heard and decided not to enroll...

We turn FBS transfers away all the time...it depends on the kid..why he left the previous school and whether or not we have a tie to him....we've taken exactly ONE kid that we didn't have some sort of tie to...a QB from Tulsa who transferred in, but he came down, asked for the opportunity and paid his own way...he ended up playing a considerable amount for us before a concussion sidelined him for about half the season....
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I guess McNeese learned a lesson after accepting Cecil "Da Diesel" Collins from LSU.
 
JAG89 said:
I do believe HBCU's could be more competitive if they wise up, but you know how politics play into the selection of our administration at state supported HBCU's.
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Politics doesn't always mean you get somebody who gets in the way...I can remember a certain McNeese grad who was an appointee to the Southern Board of Regents and that turned out very well! ;)
 
JAG89 said:
I guess McNeese learned a lesson after accepting Cecil "Da Diesel" Collins from LSU.
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Yes, we did. But I was on the record as being against taking him from the beginning. I had heard through back channels too much stuff about what he got away with when in high school in Leesville and then again when he was at LSU. He was one bad apple but I think our coach got pressured to take him. Big mistake that I don't think Matt Viator will ever make.

I wasn't too hot on taking Jantzen Jackson but I understood because, being Lance's son, he was like family to McNeese.

Any word on UAPB's ineligible players status. Anybody know the background info on what's up with that. We have a freshman WR, who looked real good in the preseason, all of a sudden get told he needed to take the ACT again because he improved his score too much from the first time he took it. Sometimes, I just hate the NCAA.

Doc
 
FrmrPokeCntr said:
Politics doesn't always mean you get somebody who gets in the way...I can remember a certain McNeese grad who was an appointee to the Southern Board of Regents and that turned out very well! ;)
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You do know who appoint folks to Southern's Board? I'll give you a hint: They meet in Baton Rouge a lot just south of the Exxon-Mobil Refinery.

Who from McNeese was on Southern's Board? I'm sure ULL of the UL System makes sure McNeese gets its fair share.
 
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McNeese72 said:
Yes, we did. But I was on the record as being against taking him from the beginning. I had heard through back channels too much stuff about what he got away with when in high school in Leesville and then again when he was at LSU. He was one bad apple but I think our coach got pressured to take him. Big mistake that I don't think Matt Viator will ever make.

I wasn't too hot on taking Jantzen Jackson but I understood because, being Lance's son, he was like family to McNeese.

Any word on UAPB's ineligible players status. Anybody know the background info on what's up with that. We have a freshman WR, who looked real good in the preseason, all of a sudden get told he needed to take the ACT again because he improved his score too much from the first time he took it. Sometimes, I just hate the NCAA.

Doc
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I was told by a police officers in my hometown (Alexandria, La) that his coaches in Leesville pampered him.
 
John Belton was one of my teammates at McNeese. He got appointed by Foster ;)
JAG89 said:
You do know who appoint folks to Southern's Board? I'll give you a hint: They meet in Baton Rouge a lot.

Who from McNeese was on Southern's Board? I'm sure ULL of the UL System makes sure McNeese gets its fair share.
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FrmrPokeCntr said:
John Belton was one of my teammates at McNeese. He got appointed by Foster ;)
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Okay.....He was one of Foster's appointees. Nothing really good came out of the Foster's administration except the TIMED Program, which got him and his buddies in the highway construction business paid. Doesn't John Belton own a few rental properties in Lake Charles, LA?
 
JAG89 said:
Okay.....He was one of Foster's appointees. Nothing really good came out of the Foster's administration except the TIMED Program, which got him and his buddies in the highway construction business paid. Doesn't John Belton own a few rental properties in Lake Charles, LA?
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You got me. I'm not privy to what John owns or doesn't own. He's been practicing law in Lincoln Parish for pretty much all his adult life...I'd be surprised at any business venture in Lake Charles...but, again, that's not ever been anything we talk about...
 
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