Seattle will not beat the Saints...


The Founder said:
Yet NOLA is not St. Louis. With a team with three RBs that will free up Graham. Seattle will have to deal with a lot.
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Stills is coming into his own, Moore is back, Meech, Toon, ect. The only thing working in Seattle's favor right now is the home game factor. If Seattle lands Jared Allen from the Vikings that would make me raise an eyebrow.
 



As much as I like Seattle's defense ... they still have to account for Sproles coming out of the backfield, Thomas and Robinson on the screen game, and the Saints receivers. Sherman and Chancellor will have to get up on Colston and Moore/Stills. Meachem might have a big game. One of those big ass safeties will have to line up on Graham.

Also, Brees ain't no backup QB. I think the environment in Seattle will be the deciding factor in this game. Hell, the Saints still gotta play San Francisco also. So these games coming up for New Orleans/Seattle/San Fran will determine the top two seeds on the NFL side.

Saints got the Niners at home Nov. 17, one week after playing the Cowboys in the Dome on Sunday night...
then they got a Thursday nighter in the ATL before the Monday night showdown at Seattle.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/schedule/season-schedule.html
 
Saints got three rb's? Saints got three garbage RB's... Pierre is inconsistent, buddy from alabama is a bum and Sproles is just too light.
 
jsupop33 said:
Well, who is the third RB. I watched the Tampa Bay and NE games.
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I agree, Ingram is a bum, but right now, here's the Saints second best back or third back behind Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles. I believe the SAINTS have given up on Ingram.

Khiry Robinson 33 atts, 146 total yds, 4.4 yds/att, longest run 21 yards, and 1 touchdown.

The SAINTS best running play is their screen play. Look at the number of receiving yards Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles have made:

Darren Sproles 36 receptions, 366 yards, 10.2 yds/reception, longest reception 48 yards, and 1 touchdown.

Pierre Thomas 32 receptions, 224 yards, 7.0 yds/reception, longest reception 29 yards, and 2 touchdowns.

Reggie Bush was good at this, but he wanted to be an every down back, so he left once he saw they drafted Ingram, which was very unfortunate for him and the SAINTS. IMO, he should have stayed and made Ingram prove he was the better back. Detroit is a decent team, but they definitely won't win the Super Bowl.
 
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I will give Robinson his due. I forgot about him. Dude is decent. He won't develop in New Orleans though because Sean Payton doesn't fully utitilize his backs for some reason.
 
jsupop33 said:
89,
I will give Robinson his due. I forgot about him. Dude is decent. He won't develop in New Orleans though because Sean Payton doesn't fully utitilize his backs for some reason.
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The SAINTS have way too many weapons for any team to stop. They are definitely not one-dimensional like a lot of NFL's teams
 
JAG89 said:
The SAINTS have way too many weapons for any team to stop. They are definitely not one-dimensional like a lot of NFL's teams
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You are right that the Saints have a lot of weapons in the passing game, but they're 27th in the league in rushing. They don't run the ball very well consistently enough.
 
kendrick said:
You are right that the Saints have a lot of weapons in the passing game, but they're 27th in the league in rushing. They don't run the ball very well consistently enough.
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Like I said, their running game really consist of their screen play, which are short passes that are like forward hand-offs. Either way, their running backs are allowed to rack-up some yards. It's hard for any team to cover deep, middle, and short passes all at one time.
 
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JAG89 said:
Like I said, their running game really consist of their screen play, which are short passes that are like forward hand-offs. Either way, their running backs are allowed to rack-up some yards. It's hard for any team to cover deep and short passes at the same time.
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But you know that's not running the ball, right?
 
kendrick said:
But you know that's not running the ball, right?
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Okay Kendrick, since you like using the term "rushing yards" specifically for running the ball only, then so be it, but most teams can't cover short, middle, and deep passes all at one time. IMO, screen passes are more deadly than running the ball, since the running back is handed the ball behind the yard of scrimmage, which makes running plays very predictable. Not too many teams have an Adrian Peterson type back.
 
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Kendrick,:tup:

Just handing the ball off like you said is a running play. Even given that scenario Seattle can't handle the Saints because how the Saints line up for a screen pass is similar to the way they line up for running plays. The offensive scheme is too difficult. After the game against New England please believe Peyton has prepared a different scheme with Graham. I envision Seattle doubling up on Graham.

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I did forget about San Fran...that mess last year had a number of problems. I actually view last year as somewhat of a give away season. I think If the Saints play San Fran and Seattle in similar fashion we can walk away with to WINS! I don't think either can go in to a shoot out with the Saints.

The key in both games will be the defense and smart play calling in the final 5 minutes. Something that was not done well in the last 5 minutes of the New England game.
 



The Founder said:
Kendrick,:tup:

Just handing the ball off like you said is a running play. Even given that scenario Seattle can't handle the Saints because how the Saints line up for a screen pass is similar to the way they line up for running plays. The offensive scheme is too difficult. After the game against New England please believe Peyton has prepared a different scheme with Graham. I envision Seattle doubling up on Graham.

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I did forget about San Fran...that mess last year had a number of problems. I actually view last year as somewhat of a give away season. I think If the Saints play San Fran and Seattle in similar fashion we can walk away with to WINS! I don't think either can go in to a shoot out with the Saints.

The key in both games will be the defense and smart play calling in the final 5 minutes. Something that was not done well in the last 5 minutes of the New England game.
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One comparison stat the NFL doesn't provide that would give a complete picture of how teams utilize their players is total yards (rushing and passing) per player per position. I'm sure the SAINTS running backs would rank pretty high in that category. It won't be hard to do with an Excel spreadsheet, but I'm not going to spend my time putting together something that a NFL statistical analysis person is getting paid to do.
 
JAG89 said:
One comparison stat the NFL doesn't provide that would give a complete picture of how teams utilize their players is total yards (rushing and passing) per player per position. I'm sure the SAINTS running backs would rank pretty high in that category. It won't be hard to do with an Excel spreadsheet, but I'm not going to spend my time putting together something that a NFL statistical analysis person is getting paid to do.
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That's total yards from scrimmage. A stat that does exist.
 
kendrick said:
That's total yards from scrimmage. A stat that does exist.
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It seems like you didn't thoroughly read and comprehend what I posted. Do you know how NFL running backs rank based on total OVERALL yards (rushing and passing)?
 
JAG89 said:
It seems like you didn't thoroughly read and comprehend what I posted. Do you know how NFL running backs rank based on total OVERALL yards (rushing and passing)?
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You mean rushing and receiving?

TYFS isn't a sortable stat, but running backs usually rank high in that category and are littered throughout the top ten. It will be easy to determine which running backs have the biggest impact in the running and passing game.
 
kendrick said:
You mean rushing and receiving?

TYFS isn't a sortable stat, but running backs usually rank high in that category and are littered throughout the top ten. It will be easy to determine which running backs have the biggest impact in the running and passing game.
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Yes RECEPTION, because running backs probably catch more passes than they throw. :lol: :emlaugh: It's not a sortable stat because the NFL hasn't ranked the combine RECEIVING and rushing yards for running backs, but the stats is not impossible or hard to put together. All one would have to do is take every running back in the NFL and combine their rushing and RECEIVING yards and rank them from top to bottom.
 
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