Playoffs -- Round Two


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Figured finalized last month show that JMU took in $37,301 on the three games, mostly in ticket sales, but incurred $22,462 in additional costs because of housing and meals for the athletes during the school’s Thanksgiving break.

That translated into a $14,839 profit.
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Interesting!!

The SWAC Championship Game (1-game) would have to generate $148,390 in net profits to generate $14,839 for each conference member. To provide the SWAC office the same share and the winner of the championship game double that share, the game would need to generate $178,068 (i.e. a 12-member football conference) in net profits. At $25 dollars a ticket for a championship game, that is 7,123 more in attendance than what it takes to break even based on attendance alone.

Further illustration, for a post-season game between two conferences of 22 football participating members, such a game would have to generate $326,458 in net profits to generate $14,839 for all conference members. To provide the two office the same share and the winner of the championship game triple that share and the loser double that share, the game would need to generate $400,653 in net profits. At $25 dollars a ticket for a bowl game, that is 16,027 more in attendance than what it takes to break even based on attendance alone.

To provide some perspective, the city of Birmingham provide the SWAC with $500,000 a year incentive in keeping the conference headquarters in Birmingham as well as hosting the confernece championship game. One should also note that ESPN is providing contract for participating the MEAC/SWAC Challenge to each team for over $150,000.
 
MsippiRattler said:
http://www.onnidan.com/99-00/news/hbwl0210.htm

Heritage Bowl Suspended for 2000
February 10, 2000

ATLANTA - The commissioners of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (MEAC) and Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC), along with the Executive Director of the Historically Black Collegiate Coalition (HBCC), announced today that the Heritage Bowl for 2000 would not be played.

The existing agreement, entered into by both leagues and NBC Television in the fall of 1998, was for two years (covering the 1998 and 1999 games) with an exercisable option by either party for subsequent years.

The Heritage Bowl, which is owned by the SWAC & MEAC conferences, will take the time and reevaluate all aspects of the event. including television and marketing rights, and conference structure as It relates to who plays in the game.

The Heritage Bowl has been a showcase for the country's two premiere Historically Black College conferences," said MEAC Commissioner Charles Harris, "Although we are disappointed with the postponement of the 2000 game, we are optimistic about the potential growth of this post-season event"

SWAC Commissioner Rudy Washington explains, "When the concept of the Heritage Bowl was conceived nine years ago, it was an Innovative Idea on the Division I-AA level and its founding fathers are to be commended A lot of work went into making the game a major playmaker in the post-season picture. Unfortunately, local support for the game in the cities that hosted it wasn't substantial enough to merit continuation of the event. Accordingly, we felt that it was in our best interest to discontinue the game at this time.

HBCC Executive Director Craig Cason, whose company has previously marketed the game states, "The timing for this suspension Is right. The committee will take a hard look at every aspect of the event to determinewhat it will take to get It to the next level.
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Sip:

Dont believe everything you read. The NCAA declared the game illegal after the inception of the SCG due to not have 12 members in the SWAC. That created a situation where the SWAC champion was participating in two separate post season events which is a violation. Rudy Washington messed up and was saving face.
 



MsippiRattler said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/11/s...l-game-discontinued-after-little-support.html

PLUS: COLLEGE FOOTBALL -- HERITAGE BOWL; Game Discontinued After Little Support

The Heritage Bowl, played in Atlanta between two of the predominantly black Division I-AA football conferences, is being discontinued after nine years.

Major reasons were a lack of fan support and the end of a two-year television agreement (1998-1999) between NBC and the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference and Southwestern Athletic Conference.

Last year's game, in which Hampton of the M.E.A.C. beat Southern University, 24-3, drew 29,000 to the 74,000-seat Georgia Dome
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Its not that the swac championship game and heritage bowl have outdrawn the FCS championship.

Whats the purpose of having a game in a 70,000 seat venue (Georgia Dome)
and only having it only 1/3 full. The FCS championship game is held in a venue that only holds about 25,000 seats. But It is sold out. Who is making more money
 
emptyright said:
Its not that the swac championship game and heritage bowl have outdrawn the FCS championship.

Whats the purpose of having a game in a 70,000 seat venue (Georgia Dome)
and only having it only 1/3 full. The FCS championship game is held in a venue that only holds about 25,000 seats. But It is sold out. Who is making more money
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number one UTC's stadium holds 20,668 people.... PLEASE explain how playing in a smaller stadium brings in more money if the crowd is larger?

Are you telling me 30,000 at Legion Field will bring in less than 20,000 in a sold out UTC stadium, JUST because its sold out?
 
DAHILL said:
number one UTC's stadium holds 20,668 people.... PLEASE explain how playing in a smaller stadium brings in more money if the crowd is larger?

Are you telling me 30,000 at Legion Field will bring in less than 20,000 in a sold out UTC stadium, JUST because its sold out?
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Do you have any Idea how much it cost to crank up a 70,000 seat stadium such as the Georgia Dome. Consessions, Water, gas, electricity, security and staff. That all cost money. Now may profit more, but you lost a lot of profit as well
 
emptyright said:
Do you have any Idea how much it cost to crank up a 70,000 seat stadium such as the Georgia Dome. Consessions, Water, gas, electricity, security and staff. That all cost money. Now may profit more, but you lost a lot of profit as well
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we dont know what the set up was....or for that matter who was paying for it.

Now we DO know that Legion Field is FREE.
 
JR said:
TT,
You can keep posting all this FCS bullisht if you want to..... It aint no damn glory in FCS......
....Let's be real. The FCS playoffs aint doing much for those schools. Their alums and boosters are. The money they make from participating in the playoffs aint paying no bills. What yall don't say is how big some of those FCS schools are in enrollment compared to HBCUs. And Jerry Moore can stop lying that the Michigan win was not more important the winning the NC in FCS. That was the politically correct thing to say. That Michigan win got them more exposure than any title they won and a big arse payday to boot.
He can sell that isht to somebody who actually believes it........

I talked to a coach at U of Minnesota about the FCS plight and even he shook his head. LOL. Pimping at its finest. If this model was so great then the 1A programs would be all over it. I wonder why the playoffs don't matter to them......hmmmmmmm I know. Big money bowl games. The way the FCS is run is a joke. Even though the SWAC aint taking care of business like I would like them too.....that FCS playoffs aint the end all be all either.....

Richmond, Montana, App. State all would bolt if they could find the money and resources to do so. Again aint no glory at the FCS level.....
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Watch what a national chapionship has done for Appalachian St:

http://flash.unctv.org/ncnow/ncn_asufootball_111408.html
 
FAMU CLIFF said:
Sip:

Dont believe everything you read. The NCAA declared the game illegal after the inception of the SCG due to not have 12 members in the SWAC. That created a situation where the SWAC champion was participating in two separate post season events which is a violation. Rudy Washington messed up and was saving face.
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Cliff,

While what you say is true, the fact is that McDonald's (the title sponsor), and Coca-Cola had decided to pull the plug after NBC told them they would no longer carry the game because the numbers weren't worth the effort.
 
MsippiRattler said:
Watch what a national chapionship has done for Appalachian St:

http://flash.unctv.org/ncnow/ncn_asufootball_111408.html
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LOL. I see they mentioned the win over Michigan garnered them that National attention. They kept talking about it. Just like I thought, that win is what really got them noticed. She kept mentioning that win with the jump in sales.

Also these folks were getting a 11,000 applications a year before winning a title....hell that is more than the majority of our enrollments.

Again.......App State would bolt to 1A if they could and I bet it is being discussed and kids in NC still want to go to UNC, NC State and Duke before going to App. State. Those titles may have helped their attendance numbers. I will give them that.

BTW,
Them mofos avg over 15,000 students a year enrollment........part of the UNC system. So they are just like the U of Minnesota- Duluth here in Minnesota. They get all the kids that don't get accepted to U of M main campus here in Minneapolis. So App State got money. Already an advantage over HBCUs. Man this is too easy.

App State has the same enrollment numbers as ULL and more than La Tech who are both 1A. Like I have said many times on this board. Alot of those top FCS programs are damn near lower tier 1A programs. Delaware and Montana are their state's flagship schools. It is a method to the madness. UCONN finally decided to not play around in FCS and look how they are in 1A now. And yall wonder why we are at a disadvantage. These schools get support.
 
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MsippiRattler said:
It gave us the benefit of the doubt for years when the selection committee was considering at-large bids. Also, admissions applications exploded.
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Exploded when? Hell we didn't have enrollment issues at none of our HBCUs back then when FAMU won the National title. Different era. Plus folks were just getting used to what 1AA was then.

What has the playoffs done for FAMU recently? And if it was so great, why was your former leadership trying to move to 1A.......which I thought was a noble idea just was not the time or done right.
 
JR said:
App State has the same enrollment numbers as ULL and more than La Tech who are both 1A. Like I have said many times on this board. Alot of those top FCS programs are damn near lower tier 1A programs. Delaware and Montana are their state's flagship schools. It is a method to the madness. UCONN finally decided to not play around in FCS and look how they are in 1A now. And yall wonder why we are at a disadvantage. These schools get support.
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:tup: :lecture:

Grambling's is a publicly funded HBCU with a 5,000+ enrollment in the Deep South. We exceed expectations.
 
JR said:
TT,
You can keep posting all this FCS bullisht if you want to. But every one of those Presidents, ADs, and Coaches of all them winning FCS schools all wish they could move up and be like a Troy or Boise State is. It aint no damn glory in FCS. I asked some kids up here in Minnesota and they have no clue to who won the FCS title. But they shole know about the 1A mythical champion and could tell you about the Bayou Classic since it is on NBC.

Let's be real. The FCS playoffs aint doing much for those schools. Their alums and boosters are. The money they make from participating in the playoffs aint paying no bills. What yall don't say is how big some of those FCS schools are in enrollment compared to HBCUs. And Jerry Moore can stop lying that the Michigan win was not more important the winning the NC in FCS. That was the politically correct thing to say. That Michigan win got them more exposure than any title they won and a big arse payday to boot.
He can sell that isht to somebody who actually believes it.

I talked to a coach at U of Minnesota about the FCS plight and even he shook his head. LOL. Pimping at its finest. If this model was so great then the 1A programs would be all over it. I wonder why the playoffs don't matter to them......hmmmmmmm I know. Big money bowl games. The way the FCS is run is a joke. Even though the SWAC aint taking care of business like I would like them too.....that FCS playoffs aint the end all be all either.

Richmond, Montana, App. State all would bolt if they could find the money and resources to do so. Again aint no glory at the FCS level. The top athletes don't give a rats arse about FCS ball until they get snubbed by a 1A program and have to either transfer or they got told they were too small or whatever.
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Hell, the first drink is on me... I agree with all of your post but especially the highlighted part.

The future (from a growth perspective) for Grambling is hopefully as a fulfledged FBS program in football. It would be ideal to move up with fellow conference members and MEAC schools (including TnSTate) who are like-minded on such a move. Our proximity to LaTech and ULM makes it almost a necessity... we lose athletes to them in some instances simply because kids are hung up on "going D1".
 



TexasTerror said:
a) The Division I national title game is moving to a date just prior to the BCS "national title" game.

b) Black 'BCS' Title game? You guys are not BCS or FBS!

c) How can it be an HBCU title game if you do not include the non-Div I teams? Tuskegee has won HBCU "national titles" in recent years. Going to keep them out?

d) The MEAC is a playoff conference. Is the SWAC fine playing the #2 or #3 team from the MEAC? I guess it can be like a lower tier bowl game when one of the not so great FBS conference's champions plays the #5 or #6 team from one of the top conferences.
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1) The FCS Championship would not affect this proposed game.

2) I used it to correlate it with the BCS, taking the Top 2 HBCU teams to play against each other.

3) I do not know all the rules about the whole Div. I vs. Div II and NAIA teams in the post-season, but if allowed, yes they would be included if they finished in the Top 2 of the poll.

4) That is why I said we must convince the MEAC to be with us all the way to make sure we are facing their best team and not the 2nd or 3rd best team.

If it can happen, it would be a much bigger draw than the FCS Playoff Championship game.
 
The problem with moving up is the money needed for extra scholarships and better facilities. The move from 63 to 85 would be challenging for most SWAC schools. The only way for a SWAC school to move up successfully is to move with a group of SWAC, MEAC or others schools with decent FCS budgets. But the money it takes to be competitive in FBS is many times more than our overall athletic budgets. And many schools would need better practice facilities and football stadium expansions. It's not impossible, but unlikely. It is a goal worth shooting for because there really is no financial benefit to being in the FCS. It is just cheaper.
 
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Mr. Tiger said:
The problem with moving up is the money needed for extra scholarships. The move from 63 to 85 would be challenging for most SWAC schools. The only way for a SWAC school to move up successfully is to move with a group of SWAC, MEAC or others schools with decent FCS budgets. But the money it takes to be competitive in FBS is many times more than our overall athletic budgets. Not impossible, but unlikely. It is a goal worth shooting for because there really is no financial benefit to being in the FCS. It is just cheaper.
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I think what MB and others are saying. Moving up to FBS is the only way you will see any REAL growth. We were not saying it could happen with our schools especially in our current condition and state. If the FCS was so great then the Troy's, Boise State's, and UConn's would have stayed at the 1A level. Same for Central Florida.
 
number1 said:
1) The FCS Championship would not affect this proposed game.

.....4) That is why I said we must convince the MEAC to be with us all the way to make sure we are facing their best team and not the 2nd or 3rd best team.

If it can happen, it would be a much bigger draw than the FCS Playoff Championship game.
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It ain't gonna happen. Like the Heritage Bowl and SWAC/MEAC Challenge, the only people who would be interested in this game would be the fans of the respective schools. Do you really believe that anyone is going to fill a 60K seat stadium to see PVAM and Tuskegee, or watch it in significant numbers on TV? And the MEAC is not going to eschew the Playoffs.
 
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