Blacknbengal
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SEC Sucks!!
Must be a down year in the SEC
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JR
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I see they also won golf, gymnastics and softball national championships. Their best year to go along with the national title in football. They are a great at Gymnastics. Always have been. But 2012 is not the norm for them. That was outstanding in achieving that no doubt, but you do not think Alabama when it comes to complete sports programs. Only football. That's all SOG is saying.
But like yall say on here. The sports that count, they ain't that good except for Football. Which nobody can't deny.
When you compare them to Stanford and their overall titles in sports. It is not close. Stanford competes with Florida and some other schools every year in having the best overall athletic program in the country when you add in all those non revenue making sports.
JROCK
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JR, you guys dream up stuff and talk like it is true. LSU has had some potent offenses under both Saban and Miles. Further, LSU has always had a potent running game way before those boys came to the bayou. The Big 10 don't have jack to do with that tradition so cut the chit out. Terri Robiski, Charlie Alexander, Dalton Hilliard, James (can't recall his first name), Kevin Faulk and a bunch more that pre-dated Nick Saban and Les Miles. Do I need to mention Bo Jackson, Hershall Walker, Eric Rhett and Emmitt Smith (Cut that Big 10 farce out). That is for wide open offenses under Saban and Miles, Matt Mauck, Matt Flinn, Demarcus Russell (1st pick in the NFL draft didn't get that by handing the ball off or running), Marcus Randall and Ryan Perriloux could sling it and won SEC Championship Game MVP and then latter transferred to Jacksonville State because of his transgressions. Anywho, It seems like LSU QB(s) have not been up to snuff since old by got in trouble. Though I must admit that Jarrett Lee had the offense wide open before Jefferson returned from his trouble last year. I want even talk about Heisman trophy winners Cam Newton's and Tim Tebow's wide open offenses. You guys are really confused at best and at worst simply don't keep up with these games and attempt to have a conversation about it. :lol: :emlaugh:
JROCK
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You did a good job on hoodwinking the less informed but really you should be ashamed of this gross diversion. :smh: :lol: :emlaugh: "SMART" hasn't done a thing for Stanford in football and that is what we're talking about. Stanford has one Football National Championship which happened in 1926. Weren't the helmets leather and did they even have face masks then? :lol: :emlaugh:
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JayRob
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Also don't forget Georgia's wide open offense as well as Arkansas' a year ago when Petrino was coaching. I won't mention Texas A&M's wide open offense.
JayRob
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SEC holds it's own in baseball too.
number1
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Dude, anybody watching Florida all season has seen how horrible the offense has been even against Bowling Green, UL-Lafayette, Missouri, and Jacksonville State Florida struggled to move the ball and score. We just had superior special teams and defense play all season to win those games. All it took was for the defense to have an off game and Florida would be doomed. The team was expected to win 8 games at the most this season, so I will take 11 wins and a win over LSU and Florida State anytime.
JR
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Wrong about what? Is Bama known to be a great Sports program historically versus Stanford? I will be waiting. Maybe to you guys in Alabama.
Florida has the best athletic program in the SEC period.
Ask yourself this. Is Alabama basketball women and men better than Stanford? What about Volleyball? What about swimming? I don't even think Bama track and field is on Stanford's level. Florida, LSU and Arkansas are the dominate SEC track programs.
Just leave it as Roll Tide for Bama Football. They won a few other sports last year for the first time outside of Gymnastics. They ain't a perennial top 5 athletic program like Stanford or Florida.
number1
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Let's not forget that they struggled to beat an 8-5 Wisconsin that had a staff full of lame duck coaches coaching them.
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APR Rank by Conference:
2012 APR Rank by Conference
1. Big Ten: 960.8
2. ACC: 958.3
3. SEC: 956.5
4. Mountain West: 954.6
5. Big East: 952.8
6. Big 12: 951.5
7. Pac 12: 948.6
http://anyfootballfan.com/2012/06/24/2012-academic-progress-rate-apr-rankings/
You guys talk like the SEC has a monopoly on that :lol: :emlaugh:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone should have seen Florida losing by double-digits to Louisville.
JR
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Dude we are talking now. Not in 1990s when Spurrier coached at Florida or Galen Hall before him. LSU ain't never had a wide open offense. Well maybe when Bert Jones played QB. LOL. They have had talented folks at the WR and RB spot. But Les ain't no big offensive type Head Coach. That's why all his OCs quit and leave. LOL.
As for Auburn. They were a one year flash in the pan under Gus Malzhan as the OC.
Urban Meyer ain't coaching in the SEC any more. And Mark Richt is not wide open either. He throws the ball more than the others. But to say his offenses at Ga resemble anything close to what he was doing as the OC at Florida State is crazy. Even with Stafford they ran the ball a lot.
Les Miles and wide open offense is an oxymoron. LSU fans would curse you out for saying he has had big time offenses. Urban Meyer was the only one who consistently had offenses that rack up big yards on a yearly basis. Spurrier did too before he left. Now he is 5 yards and cloud of dust too. LOL.
Since you went way back, the only other coach who would open up his offense got fired in Philip Fulmer. He had probably had some of the better balanced offenses in the SEC before things went South for him. David Cutcliffe kept that offense rolling.
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JR
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Big Ten baby!! Now tell them SEC cats to catch up in the classroom and learn how to speak and stop sounding like them dumb necks they go to school with. No wonder Les can pimp the isht out of LSU folks. Saban probably be laughing at them clowns too when they come to get an autograph from him. Probably just shakes his head. LOL.
JROCK
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At some point you're going to post something of substance and back it up with facts and a source. I am not optimistic that it will come before Armageddon though. :lol: :emlaugh:
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JR
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Leave my boy Beans alone. He is my Big Ten ally on this board. LOL. Yall be ganging up on him. But he speaks the truth on this one. If you are aligned with Jayrob on this subject.......well......just think about it Jrock. You are a smart Jag alum. Stay away from the SEC dark side. LOL.
JROCK
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You are the one spewing the noise about Big 10 ball being played in the SEC. I just simply showed you, that you don't know what you're talking about. You are not sounding like you are on top of your game again when talking about wide open offense. There were two fellows that was with the Dalton/James gang at LSU. A fellow by the name of Eric Martin (N.O. Saints) and Wendell Davis (Chicago Bears). I am not going to waste my key strokes telling you about other teams. JR get some rest dude you're starting to post like TP. :lol: :emlaugh:
JR
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Dude you just named some also rans from the SEC that made it. They are playing Big Ten ball in the SEC. RUN FIRST and pass when you have too. Tell they ain't doing that. Where did Les Miles learn his craft? Where did Saban spend a considerable amount of time at? The MAC which produced most of the old Big Ten guys like Woody and Bo also produced Saban who was on staff at Ohio State with Tressel and Meyer back in the day. You guys act like the SEC teams are running the pistol or spread across the board. That ain't true. South Carolina looks just like Wisconsin on offense. Run, run, run, and throw when you have too. Ga ain't no different than Michigan State especially when Kirk Cousins was there last year. Same style of ball. The difference in the SEC is their defenses and interior lineman are more athletic than any other conference. But outside of what Petrino was doing at Arkansas and when Urban was at Florida. None of these SEC schools are running some wide open offenses.
You are getting confused with having talent at WR and RB over the years in the SEC as them being 1500 yard WRs. None of the SEC WRs put up numbers like Dez Bryant and Blackmon did at Okie State or how the USC WRs were doing under Carroll and now under Kiffin. Nobody said they didn't have NFL talent at RBs and WRs. Those coaches just don't chunk the ball all over the place. When Bill Belechek needed to find somebody to teach him how to run an uptempo offense. He went to see Chip Kelly at Oregon. He did not call his old buddy Saban up or his friend Les Miles up to ask them isht about offense nor did he want to talk to their OCs either. LOL. So stop spinning guys like Gerry James and Dalton Hilliard of LSU as some standard bearer of top talent and being in wide open offenses. Hell back then Oklahoma and Nebraska led the nation in total offense but didn't throw the ball. LOL.
The only teams in the South that had explosive passing offenses were the U (Miami), Florida State, and Florida (when Spurrier arrived). Tenn did once Fulmer took over from Johnny Majors. The rest of them teams ran the ball just like most Big Ten teams did. Can't believe you even mention Wendell Davis. Ohio State has had way better NFL WRs than the ones you named. So has other Big Ten teams. Trying to think the last time LSU had a WR be a bonafied Pro Bowl WR. Same for RB.
JROCK
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I am shame for him. He is all over the place making stuff up and when he gets called on it, he throws a lot of grits at the wall and hope like hell something sticks. :lol: :emlaugh:
JR
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Stop trying to save the SEC Jrock. Ain't nothing weak. I am speaking the truth. Ain't nothing WIDE open about SEC offenses. LOL. Anybody can see that. That's why only a couple of SEC Qbs right now are even on the NFL radar. Bray from Tenn and Murray from UGA. Even the poor Arkansas Qb fell off after Petrino got fired. Jordan Rodgers will probably get a look just because he is Aaron Rodgers brother. The rest of them cats are not lighting up the scoreboards.
JR
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You knew exactly what I mean. They ain't on Stanford level in athletic programs like Soggy said. Don't gloss over it. They ain't good consistently but in 1 revenue making sport.
MikeBigg
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I think Stanford could also beat Alabama...Notre Dame will beat Bama. Gholston is a dual threat qb who got better as the season progressed and that will give Bama trouble. The Bama Front 7 isn't as good as in the past and even when he has a dominant front seven, qb's that can run the zone read and throw out of it gives Saban trouble. Bama will lose by at least 10.
Oh yeah...DAMN THE SEC!
Yet SEC dominance is a very recent phenomenon.
Since the inception of the BCS, the SEC has been crowned national champion 57.14 percent of the time. That's a stunning turnaround when compared with an undisputed national title rate of 10.42 percent over the half-century prior.
So what's behind such a radical shift in fortune, such a statistical improbability?
It certainly isn't on-field performance. Judging by inter-conference records -- that is to say actual games as opposed to media guesswork and bestowed rankings -- the SEC plays other BCS conferences about equally. Witness the record since the start of the BCS era in 1998:
Though its teams are rarely given the opportunity, the Mountain West, not the SEC, has the highest winning percentage of any conference in BCS bowl games (.750), even though its teams travel further to play in BCS games than just about any others and with fewer supporting fans.
The SEC is better than other conferences at media manipulation and pretending that fiction is fact and fact is fiction. But as a top-to-bottom conference it is not better at football. The numbers bear that out.
http://www.thepostgame.com/commenta...sto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs
Since the inception of the BCS, the SEC has been crowned national champion 57.14 percent of the time. That's a stunning turnaround when compared with an undisputed national title rate of 10.42 percent over the half-century prior.
So what's behind such a radical shift in fortune, such a statistical improbability?
It certainly isn't on-field performance. Judging by inter-conference records -- that is to say actual games as opposed to media guesswork and bestowed rankings -- the SEC plays other BCS conferences about equally. Witness the record since the start of the BCS era in 1998:
The record is clear. In head-to-head match-ups against other major conferences, the SEC has either a combined losing record or one that's generally only a little better than even.
Though its teams are rarely given the opportunity, the Mountain West, not the SEC, has the highest winning percentage of any conference in BCS bowl games (.750), even though its teams travel further to play in BCS games than just about any others and with fewer supporting fans.
The SEC is better than other conferences at media manipulation and pretending that fiction is fact and fact is fiction. But as a top-to-bottom conference it is not better at football. The numbers bear that out.
http://www.thepostgame.com/commenta...sto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs
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