Man you gotta say one thing about the republiklan party...


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....they sure know how to pick dumb ninjas.

Steele Confuses Stephanopoulos: Claims Government Jobs "Aren't Jobs," Private Sector Jobs Never Go Away

There is certainly a political debate to be waged over whether or not government spending can effectively create jobs. But in his interview on This Week with George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, Michael Steele seemed to suggest, as he did back in January, that government jobs are not, in fact, really jobs.

Rather, Steele said, government jobs are "just work." (Is work not a job?) The newly-minted RNC Chairman added that when it comes to the private sector, job loss is never permanent.

"They come back though George," said Steele. "That's the point. They've gone away before and they come back."
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It's :lol: as hell while at the same time :shame:
 
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bluedog said:
....they sure know how to pick dumb ninjas.

Steele Confuses Stephanopoulos: Claims Government Jobs "Aren't Jobs," Private Sector Jobs Never Go Away

There is certainly a political debate to be waged over whether or not government spending can effectively create jobs. But in his interview on This Week with George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, Michael Steele seemed to suggest, as he did back in January, that government jobs are not, in fact, really jobs.

Rather, Steele said, government jobs are "just work." (Is work not a job?) The newly-minted RNC Chairman added that when it comes to the private sector, job loss is never permanent.

"They come back though George," said Steele. "That's the point. They've gone away before and they come back."
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It's :lol: as hell while at the same time :shame:
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The Republicans need them to spread their dumb message.

Hey RB, if you are Black, you make a good Republican. Keep up the good work, because they really need their attack dogs to counter President Obama. They tried to use Alan Keyes to stop Obama initially, but somehow he turned on them.
 



And the attacks keep on coming.

Steele: Obama Stimulus Is Just "Bling Bling"

New RNC Chairman Michael Steele wasn't impressed with President Obama's Elkhart, Indiana town hall event -- or his stimulus plan.

Steele told Politico after the town hall that the whole economic recovery package "is just a wish list from a lot of people who have been on the sidelines for years ... to get a little bling, bling."

For more on the bling allegedly making up the stimulus bill, watch this video (language NSFW):

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Well actually if you read the article Steele goes on to explain it and it does make sense...

Earlier in the interview, Steele acknowledged that the government can create "work" in the short-term. But the notion that this type of spending could spur economic growth -- whether in advancing environmentally friendly industries or through the filter down of more infrastructure -- was dismissed out of hand by Steele.

"These road projects we're talking about have an end point," he said. "As a small business owner, I'm looking to grow my business, expand my business. I want to reach further. I want to be international. I want to be national. It's a whole different perspective on how you create a job, versus how you create work...

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From my understanding of everything in the media Obama has clearly stated these "infrastructure jobs" such as building roads, etc. are "temporary" jobs to help get money back into the economy. Right now the Government is the only way/source to hire and provide jobs.

Get people those jobs....they get money in their pocket...they will go back out and spend the money to help the economy. Which in turn will help the Private jobs/companies.
 
JAG89 said:
And the attacks keep on coming.

Steele: Obama Stimulus Is Just "Bling Bling"

Steele told Politico after the town hall that the whole economic recovery package "is just a wish list from a lot of people who have been on the sidelines for years ... to get a little bling, bling."
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Who are these sideline people Steele is referencing?
 
southsuburbs said:
Well actually if you read the article Steele goes on to explain it and it does make sense...

Earlier in the interview, Steele acknowledged that the government can create "work" in the short-term. But the notion that this type of spending could spur economic growth -- whether in advancing environmentally friendly industries or through the filter down of more infrastructure -- was dismissed out of hand by Steele.

"These road projects we're talking about have an end point," he said. "As a small business owner, I'm looking to grow my business, expand my business. I want to reach further. I want to be international. I want to be national. It's a whole different perspective on how you create a job, versus how you create work...

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From my understanding of everything in the media Obama has clearly stated these "infrastructure jobs" such as building roads, etc. are "temporary" jobs to help get money back into the economy. Right now the Government is the only way/source to hire and provide jobs.

Get people those jobs....they get money in their pocket...they will go back out and spend the money to help the economy. Which in turn will help the Private jobs/companies.
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The problem, as I see it, is in the sentiment that the infrastructure being proposed by Obama is temporary. What he is proposing is maintainence that is long, long overdue, and that should occur on a basis a lot more frequently that it has been. ASCE (the American Society of Civil Engineers) has just put out its grades on the infrastucture systems in the US and most of them received D and D-minus.

The previous administration and others have been very laxed in providing monies, budgets, and thus jobs to handle this much needed work (that's why bridges are falling down, levies are failing, etc., etc.). This would provide sustainable jobs if the maintainence is done on the frequency that it should occur on. Even cites are doing a better job of this than the Feds and the State entities responsible for the major intrastructure systems finally targeted in OBama's Plan. I've seen (or it appears so anyway to be the case) people who make careers out of repaving the same stretch of street here in Cincy over and over again, keeping it maintained.

This is not a make work situation as Steele described; it is a case of the work necessary to keep the infrastructure systems properly maintained has not been occuring at the frequency needed to keep the systems adaquately sustained under previous administrations: and as a result, the jobs required to do so have been lost, creating an element of the strains that are the cause of the problems with the current Economy.

Regards.
 
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The problem, as I see it, is in the sentiment that the infrastructure being proposed by Obama is temporary. What he is proposing is maintainence that is long, long overdue, and that should occur on a basis a lot more frequently that it has been. ASCE (the American Society of Civil Engineers) has just put out its grades on the infrastucture systems in the US and most of them received D and D-minus.

The previous administration and others have been very laxed in providing monies, budgets, and thus jobs to handle this much needed work (that's why bridges are falling down, levies are failing, etc., etc.). This would provide sustainable jobs if the maintainence is done on the frequency that it should occur on. Even cites are doing a better job of this than the Feds and the State entities responsible for the major intrastructure systems finally targeted in OBama's Plan. I've seen (or it appears so anyway to be the case) people who make careers out of repaving the same stretch of street here in Cincy over and over again, keeping it maintained.

This is not a make work situation as Steele described; it is a case of the work necessary to keep the infrastructure systems properly maintained has not been occuring at the frequency needed to keep the systems adaquately sustained under previous administrations: and as a result, the jobs required to do so have been lost, creating an element of the strains that are cause of the problems with the current Economy.

Regards.
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The maintenance or inspection jobs for highways are the responsibility of each State's Transportation Department. Once it has been determined that roads need restoring, the state would hire an engineering design firm to put together plans and specifications. Once plans are completed, the project would be put out to bids and awarded to the contractor with the lowest bid. Since he was a contractor, ex-Governor Louisiana Mike Foster made sure his buddies in the construction industry got paid during his administration, which is the reason why Louisiana has the TIMED Program. In other words, the states need the money to make a complete accessment of their roads.
 
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The maintenance or inspection jobs for highways are the responsibility of each State's Transportation Department. Once it has been determined that roads need restoring, the state would hire an engineering design firm to put together plans and specifications. Once plans are completed, the project would put out to bids and awarded to the contractor with the lowest bid. Since he was a contractor, ex-Governor Louisiana Mike Foster made sure his buddies in the construction industry got paid during his administration, which is the reason why Louisiana has the TIMED Program. In other words, the states need the money to make a complete accessment of their roads.
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Maybe they are referring to interstate highways too.......that's 90% federal funding.......
 
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Even though most interstate highways are 85% funded by the federal government, they are the responsiblity of the State to build and maintain.
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When did it go down from 90% to 85%? I agree it is the responsibility of the states but they get the money from somewhere......if the government gives the states money for interstate highway maintenance and construction I would think they would comply......at least they did when I worked for TXDOT......
 
I was referring to the interstate systems. And Levies and other systems do get Federal monies as well, even though the states administer it. Those are systems that are in Obama's plan, and if they had been funded as required in previous administrations many of the construction jobs now lost would not have been, and the systems wouldn't be in the deplorable conditions that they are in.

Regards.
 



JaguarNation99 said:
Very little in the package actually goes towards true job creation. In a word, this "stimulus" isn't really an economic stimulus at all.
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How do you suggest the economy gets started? I find it funny that everyone has an opinion on how this plan is going to fail, but know one has had a opinion on how to start it for eight years. :smh:
 
The problem with the Republicans plan, they want to give all the money and control to the private sector and let things fix itself, which is how this mess was created in the first place. The Republicans attack any funds that go to the public sector and consider it welfare for those trying to get a little bling bling. What the Republicans fail to realize is that the government is needed to maintain the checks and balances within our free enterprise system. Therefore their opinion is totally wrong since it didn’t work in the first place, which is why Steele is left to explain a failed system.
 
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What are you listening to and reading that suggest other wise?

~just asking~
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The Repubs have been saying let the economy fix it self for eight years, yet 10K folks a week are losing their jobs. If this plan is so bad, why hasn't anyone figured the economy out in 8 years?
 
What's strange about a lot of these Republicans, they didn't have any problem with the government being involved in their lives 50 to 60 years ago. But Brown versus the Board of Education changed that for a lot of them.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Very little in the package actually goes towards true job creation. In a word, this "stimulus" isn't really an economic stimulus at all.
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Read my previous post about regularly scheduled maintainence of the infrastructure systems.

As long as people are being put back to work, its a job. And if its sustainable routine maintainence like it should be, its a long term job that can provide owners with growth opportunities.

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Adding to JAG89's comment, the Republicans also don't realize that the bridges and roads don't belong to the private sector. The other thing that gets me is that governments (Fed, State, and Local) hire contractors (Private Sector) who hire workers (Private sector) to do a lot of this work. So the private sector is still benefitting.

Additionally, tax cuts don't immediately help those folks who don't have jobs. If its given as a refundable tax credit, they might get some benefit when they file their income taxes the next year. Otherwise, it won't do the folks without jobs a whole lot of good. And we have seen that trickle down doesn't have the impact or help the way some want to pretend it does.

Regards.
 
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Dr. Mac said:
Read my previous post about regularly scheduled maintainence of the infrastructure systems.

As long as people are being put back to work, its a job. And if its sustainable routine maintainence like it should be, its a long term job that can provide owners with growth opportunities.

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Adding to JAG89's comment, the Republicans also don't realize that the bridges and roads don't below to the private sector. The other thing that gets me is that governments (Fed, State, and Local) hire contractors (Private Sector) who hire workers (Private sector) to do a lot of this work. So the private sector is still benefitting.

Additionally, tax cuts don't immediately help those folks who don't have jobs. If its given as a refundable tax credit, they might get some benefit when they file their income taxes the next year. Otherwise, it won't do the folks without jobs a whole lot of good. And we have seen that trickle down doesn't have the impact or help the way some want to pretend it does.

Regards.
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I would like to add that there is another level to the private sector, which is the professional consultant. Basically the government hires professional consultants (Private sector) who hire contractors (Private sector) who hire workers (Private sector). The private sector outnumbers the government by 3 to 1. The big difference in the government and private sector is that the government is not in the business to make a profit.
 
No he has it wrong. In theory a nation's economy starts with government jobs. Mr. Steele can look at the history of the state capitols in our nation. Before they were state capitols their economy was not great. When they were declared state capitols the economy was augmented by the state government jobs and supplemented by federal jobs as well. The jumpstart has and must start from the government. Mr Steele can also look at the plight of some African nation's as well. If the greedy dictactors or leaders of those poor African nations would create more government jobs than what they have,then their economy would jumpstart greatly. That is the true trickle down theory,It starts from the government and not the private sector.That was the idea of the WPA programs back in the day. Also, he need to look at the history of African Americans being hired by the government and with African American's government paychecks being spent in the community.African Americans back in the day were not hired by White businesses,but were hired and worked at government jobs military bases,schools etc. That money was spent in the Black community before intergration.

See many politicians don't understand this dynamic(they are lawyers,not economist).Look at the idea of raising the minimum wage.You can't raise the minimum wage without having a direct affect on the prices of goods because some private jobs cannot afford an increase. It's like putting two magnets with the same polarity against each other,they will repel each other. What need to happen is the goverment should create more permanent jobs and increse their government worker's salary, THEN that would create more buying power in the community. The Government is the first DOMINO in any economy.

I know he feels stupid when he stops and think and according to his logic, military jobs would not be real jobs. Dayum,that's another point,look how military bases increase or affected cities that has military bases or military support industry (like Pine Bluff with the Arsenal and National Center Toxilological Research {cancer research}).
The city of Jacksonville,Florida is immensely affected by goverment jobs. Well when I was there they had 3 Naval bases(I understand one was close, NAS Cecil Field). Each one employing over 15,000 jobs when you include the military personel. Look how much government money is spent in that city.
And Mr.Steele went to Georgetown??
 
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