Homosexuality 'Born' with it or 'Buck with it?


JSU Chad said:
Huh?

Clear it up for me...

I don't have a particular skew. I believe and trust the Lord and His Word. Sin is sin...and all unrighteousness is sin. Even if I, being saved from God's wrath, having an evil thought against you have I not sinned? The answer would be yes. But, I also know how to get out of that particular sin or situation. However, one that lays with someone to whom they are not married to may be a slave to Sin. That is why many try to marry. Remember, Adam was married to Eve and not Steve. I wonder why we don't see gay (sodomite) animals? God says that a man or woman laying with like kind is an abomination to Him. That being said...it is a choice. Ask a person who once lived that lifestyle but was made free from it. They will tell you that it was a choice. They will also tell you that something in their life prior caused them to swing that way... i.e. molestation, rape etc.
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I agree with you. I do not condone or celebrate that lifestyle. It is not for me. I leave every man/woman to work out his own soul's salvation with the Savior Jesus Christ. Other than that, I can pray for them. I am not an advocate for them, and at the same time I do not advocate hating them. That's all. I also do not cast my own religious views on what someone else's beliefs are....I am glad we are in this country. I have a right to believe what I want...and so does the next person. That's all. Nothing more to it. ;)
 
J4J said:
I also do not cast my own religious views on what someone else's beliefs are....I am glad we are in this country. I have a right to believe what I want...and so does the next person. That's all. Nothing more to it. ;)
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Now you know there are scriptures to the contrary...
 



JSU Chad said:
Huh?

Clear it up for me...

I don't have a particular skew. I believe and trust the Lord and His Word. Sin is sin...and all unrighteousness is sin. Even if I, being saved from God's wrath, having an evil thought against you have I not sinned? The answer would be yes. But, I also know how to get out of that particular sin or situation. However, one that lays with someone to whom they are not married to may be a slave to Sin. That is why many try to marry. Remember, Adam was married to Eve and not Steve. I wonder why we don't see gay (sodomite) animals? God says that a man or woman laying with like kind is an abomination to Him. That being said...it is a choice. Ask a person who once lived that lifestyle but was made free from it. They will tell you that it was a choice. They will also tell you that something in their life prior caused them to swing that way... i.e. molestation, rape etc.
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What else did God say through Moses? We live in a secular country and thank God not in a theocracy. What do you want to do with gays? Stone them, burn them at the stake, or better yet send them to the gas chamber. Oh, I forgot Hitler has already done that. Homophopia is not "Christ like".
 
J C said:
What else did God say through Moses? We live in a secular country and thank God not in a theocracy. What do you want to do with gays? Stone them, burn them at the stake, or better yet send them to the gas chamber. Oh, I forgot Hitler has already done that. Homophopia is not "Christ like".
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Disciple them...and set them free.
 
J C said:
What else did God say through Moses? We live in a secular country and thank God not in a theocracy. What do you want to do with gays? Stone them, burn them at the stake, or better yet send them to the gas chamber. Oh, I forgot Hitler has already done that. Homophopia is not "Christ like".
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1. God also said it through Paul and Apostles.

2. Where is the stoning them and whatnot coming from?

3. Who is a homophob? Me?
 
JSU Chad said:
Ask a person who once lived that lifestyle but was made free from it. They will tell you that it was a choice.
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I know someone who lived that lifestyle and was made "free" from it. And indeed, he said it was a choice!
 
J C said:
What else did God say through Moses? We live in a secular country and thank God not in a theocracy. What do you want to do with gays? Stone them, burn them at the stake, or better yet send them to the gas chamber. Oh, I forgot Hitler has already done that. Homophopia is not "Christ like".
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like I said before, love your brothers and sisters enough to tell them the truth, and tell them the truth because you love them, not to codemn them. that's where the church hasn't done a good job. we tell them the truth alright but not out of love, not because we want to see them brought back into the fold, but b/c in many instances we see them as forever lost and dispise them. that's all we can do. these are grown folks and as fisherman we can't make the fish bite.

also understand that disagreeing with their choice is not homophobia. I'm sorry but the last thing I have time to worry about is being politically incorrect. we have been punked into being quiet when we see things going wrong for fear of being attacked. and if we are loving people, everyone will know that those baseless accusations of homophobia and the like are just that and far from the truth.

tell me which one are you.
have you changed your behaviour to match what you believe or .....have you changed your beliefs to fall in line with you behaviour?
 
I am of the belief that people feel what they feel (meaning if I like women, I like women, if I like men, I like men and not much can change that) BUT I do feel that we make the choice to live in whatever lifestyle. I DO NOT believe that homosexuality is RIGHT and I will tell anyone this, BUT I will not condemn them cause that is not my place. If it is a friend, I will support them as a friend in most aspects of their life. I would treat them like a STRAIGHT friend, but will I let them bring their lifestyle into my home? No. But them again I wouldn't bring MOST HETEROSEXUAL lifestyles into MY HOME. That's just me.

But to answer the question...I feel that homosexuals are in a sense BORN that way, and then make the choice whether or not act on it.
 
But SimplyRedd, what does God say about it? It has nothing to do what we say or think. If you had a friend or family member that intended to rob a bank wouldn't you tell them the TRUTH in love? Wouldn't you let them know that it was wrong, even if they already knew that it was wrong? The problem is that pride of life tends to make one balk at being told that they are wrong about something. I would much rather a person get upset with me now yet repent...then later we can rejoice together in Glory. Therefore, my preaching is never in vain.
 



J4J said:
I agree with you. I do not condone or celebrate that lifestyle. It is not for me. I leave every man/woman to work out his own soul's salvation with the Savior Jesus Christ. Other than that, I can pray for them. I am not an advocate for them, and at the same time I do not advocate hating them. That's all. I also do not cast my own religious views on what someone else's beliefs are....I am glad we are in this country. I have a right to believe what I want...and so does the next person. That's all. Nothing more to it. ;)
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My thoughts also. I am not going condone or advocate any one else lifestyle it is totally up to them and our maker. I hope they will have all the rights as all of us. They have the same judgement day as all of us.
 
JSU Chad said:
But SimplyRedd, what does God say about it? It has nothing to do what we say or think. If you had a friend or family member that intended to rob a bank wouldn't you tell them the TRUTH in love? Wouldn't you let them know that it was wrong, even if they already knew that it was wrong? The problem is that pride of life tends to make one balk at being told that they are wrong about something. I would much rather a person get upset with me now yet repent...then later we can rejoice together in Glory. Therefore, my preaching is never in vain.
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I guess you missed the part where I said I Don't believe in Homosexuality, AND I WILL TELL THEM I DON'T!
 
Croft84 said:
They have the same judgement day as all of us.
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We actually don't all have the same judgement. The saints will go before the Judgement (Bema) Seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10 & 1 Peter 4:17) and the unsaved will go to the Great White Thorn judgement. (Revelation 20:11-15)
 
SimplyRedd said:
I guess you missed the part where I said I Don't believe in Homosexuality, AND I WILL TELL THEM I DON'T!
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Well then, I stand corrected. :heart: I jumped on the fact that you believe that they are in a sense born that way. That's all.
 
J C said:
What else did God say through Moses? We live in a secular country and thank God not in a theocracy. What do you want to do with gays? Stone them, burn them at the stake, or better yet send them to the gas chamber. Oh, I forgot Hitler has already done that. Homophopia is not "Christ like".
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What about "Love your neighbor as you love yourself..."
 
JSU Chad said:
Do you believe eveything you read in the media?
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Nope. But I do believe what I've seen with my own eyes.

JSU Chad said:
Do you also hold the doctrine of evolution?.
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What does that have to do with whether animals exhibit homosexual tendancies or not?

The fact is your statement about there being no Gay animals was wrong. How that fits in with your overall argument is a matter of debate.
 
CriTAUcal said:
I know someone who lived that lifestyle and was made "free" from it. And indeed, he said it was a choice!
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That goes back to what TP and some others were saying earlier - about it being a choice for some but not for others. But I tend to question those who lived a homosexual lifestyle voluntarily(meaning they weren't the victim of rape, abuse, etc) and claim they've been made free from it. Can you really trust that they'll never go back to their former life? I mean honestly, how many ladies on this board would marry a man who admits he used to live a homosexual lifestyle?? I truly believe that a substance abuser can be set free. I believe a sex addict can be set free. But I can't say I truly believe that one who lives a voluntary homosexual lifestyle can be set free. Those who turn that way because of some trauma or other issues in their life - yes. The others - No.
 
JSU/99 said:
I mean honestly, how many ladies on this board would marry a man who admits he used to live a homosexual lifestyle?? I truly believe that a substance abuser can be set free. I believe a sex addict can be set free. But I can't say I truly believe that one who lives a voluntary homosexual lifestyle can be set free. Those who turn that way because of some trauma or other issues in their life - yes. The others - No.
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Believe what you wish.
This person is now happily married with no regrets.

As far as believing you can be delivered from one addiction but not homosexuality: I believe anything is possible with the Lord. It doesn't mean that there won't be a struggle (as with addiction), but you can overcome things you want to be free from.
 
CriTAUcal said:
I believe anything is possible with the Lord. It doesn't mean that there won't be a struggle (as with addiction), but you can overcome things you want to be free from.
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I guess the "want" is where I'm lost in this situation. The other addictions I mentioned are learned. No one is born with a natural desire for narcotics or alcohol unless some external factor was at play. For a person to even want someone of the same sex from an early age suggests something deeper than just a lifestyle choice.

As for the person you mentioned earlier, I'm glad he has moved on from his former lifestyle because I wouldn't wish being gay on my worst enemy. But if i were a female, I wouldn't touch a former homosexual with a 10 foot pole.
 
JSU/99 said:
Nope. But I do believe what I've seen with my own eyes.



What does that have to do with whether animals exhibit homosexual tendancies or not?

The fact is your statement about there being no Gay animals was wrong. How that fits in with your overall argument is a matter of debate.
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What gay animal have you seen?
 
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