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Your point is you're a liar, you hate Christianity, and Christ who offered it. I can interpret that clearly.

As for the horses, you lack much understanding if you're not a Christian, and it does no good to discuss deep spiritual meanings if you're not spiritually blessed by God.

If you're going to call me a liar, at least have the guts and/or honesty to post exactly "what I lied about".

As far as discussing "deep spiritual meanings", folks who've read this post KNOW that your postings are flawed and that you're putting your own meanings into verses mentioned in Ezekiel.
Even the bible described that the faces and wings are characteristics of cherubs, yet you still insist on going against that just to try and save face.

This raises the question of your honesty. Like I said earlier, either you're ignorant of what you talk about or you're the dishonest person. It's one or the other.
Now show me where I lied.
 
RB, your vanity and pride is showing again.

No, your pride and vanity of not accepting salvation from Christ is sadly showing. I accepted Christ and His salvation. That makes me a blessed and saved man. What about you?

RB, you can divert to my character all you please, but I'm not going to divert away from your ignorance of simple verses.
You can stand by error all you please. I'm simply pointing it out that you're doing it.

No, it was you who diverted to my character in post#27. JayRob, why lie when the evidence are in the posts? It was you who started the insults.......and if you're not a saved man, then it's you who error the most because you're fit for nothing in the eyes of God. An eternal death is at your door if you don't accept Christ.......that's fact.

Like I said, vanity and pride makes you do that.

........and Like I said, your vanity and pride makes you say filthy things about God, Christ, and Christianity.

It's happening right before your eyes. You're afraid or too vain to admit that you are being taught something by a non-Christian from your own book. In spite of you supposedly having a holy spirit, pride and vanity will not allow you to admit that you are wrong. Now that's the real shame. That holy spirit you're supposed to have is supposed to impart humility and honesty. Perhaps you're lacking in those areas.

No, what happening before my eyes is I'm reading the posts of a dead man walking......spiritually. I have a enough common sense to know God won't stand for your insults about Him, His Son, and His followers. Your just reward is at the door, and I pray you have spiritual sense to change, repent, and ask forgiveness before it's too late. Yes, the holy spirit will make know the saved and the unsaved. I pray you'll spiritually wake up out of the nightmare you live. Wake up and get saved JayRob!

RB, let's not go way out into left field like you're attempting to do. We're not talking about other beings or the Old Testament god travelling by whatever means. The subject at hand is why does satan, need a chariot to travel when he has wings? Let's stick to the subject at hand.

I told you why, now accept it and move on. I aint changing what I know to be true. Deal with it!
 
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The cherubs mentioned in Ezekiel WERE creatures. Satan was a cherub. These creatures are described as having four faces and several wings. It even describes their legs and hands. I ask the question again, "what chariot has hands and feet?" You seem to be doing everything you can not to answer the questions.

The same creatures are described in Revelation as being around god's throne. In the bible, OT and NT, who surrounds the throne of god? Cherubim, that's who. Satan was once Lucifer, who was supposedly at the OT god's throne.

The Old Testament abounds with texts that speak of how angels came to the earth in ancient times riding in heavenly vehicles that are represented metaphorically as "horses" and "chariots" of God. Psalm 68:17 is probably the most definitive example of the Old Testament "angelic chariot" texts. This Psalm addresses the chronology of the Jewish Exodus from captivity in Egypt, their encampment at Mount Sinai, and the events that transpired at that time. "The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands multiplied: the Lord was among them at Sinai, in the [heavenly] Temple/Sanctuary."

There are also many Old Testament texts that speak of how certain biblical figures ascended into the heavens, and are acknowledged by biblical scholars as the "heavenly ascension" texts. One of the best, and probably most well-known examples of these texts is found in 2 Kings 2:1 and 11, which speak of the heavenly ascension of the prophet Elijah, as therein it is written in verse 1: "Now when the Lord was about to take Elijah up into the heavens by a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their was from Gilgal." Verse 11 continues with: "As they continued walking and talking, a Chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them, and Elijah ascended in a whirlwind into the heavens."

There are also many references in the biblical text that speak of the Chariot in which God, himself, came to visit the earth, as is described above in 2 Kings 2 as the Chariot of fire. The reference to "horses of fire" is to the angelic "chariots of God" that accompany God's Chariot which, in the early Jewish interpretive writings is acknowledged as being a "Merkabah."

Ezekiel describes four angelic chariots as "living creatures" with various anatomical parts, like wings, legs, heads, etc, each of which has a corresponding anatomical location and function, all of which describe the angelic vehicles he sees first in the heavens, and then land on the ground in front of him! Read and be amazed and astounded! As you read my new Ezekiel translations, compare what the prophet describes to the "chariot" it describes, an be amazed!

*Each of the chariot's anatomical parts occupies a normal anatomical location and related anatomical function, unless otherwise stated in the text. There is one exception, which relates to the "encircling eyes" that are located within the chariot's "back."

The Head The chariot's head-portion consists of a dome that is made of a clear, crystal-like material and occupies the chariot's superior-most position. It is part of the chariot's top-mounted, composite dome, the crystal head of which serves as a rotating, navigational dome.

The Four Faces Three of the four faces are insignias that are part of a circular ring-like unit that connects superiorly to the clear domed head, occupying the chariot's mid-portion, and inferiorly with stationary, hollow and arched back.The face identified as "the face of a man", or " human face", is of the chariot's angelic pilot, who sits in the chariot's navigational dome.

The Back(rings/rims) The arched, hollow back occupies the lower part of the chariot's composite dome. It is encircled by eyes, which confirms the fact that it is also circular. The encircling eyes are explained below.

The Eyes The eyes surround the chariot's hollow, arched back. The eyes are round and function as ports for looking out from the chariot's hollow, top-mounted dome.

The Wings The wings give the chariot its overall circular or wheel-like shape. The chariot has two horizontal wings on each of its four quadrants that extend at an angle, the one towards the other thus connecting together at the distal point. The wings are for flight.

The Wheel in the middle of the wheel The greater wheel references the chariot's overall shape, which is circular like a wheel. The wheel in the middle of the greater wheel is a spinning, turbine-like wheel, which functions as the chariot's propulsion system.

The Body The body is the hollow, central portion of the chariot that is concealed by two horizontally-extended, connecting wings that present on each of the (circular) chariot's four quadrants and, like the composite dome, is an inhabitable part of the chariot. The opening hand that is located "under their wings on their four quadrants", the function of which is established below.

The Legs The legs are straight and unbending, and provide support for the chariot while standing on the ground. Thus, they are incapable of movement or "walking" on the ground. The four legs are position underneath the chariot's wings and are attached to the chariot's body-portion which is "covered" on all four quadrants by the "two covering wings." The legs are made of a polished amber-colored metal that are likened to highly polished brass.

The Feet The feet are round and flat, like that sole of a calf's foot, and are made of the same material as the legs. Their round, flat, beveled shape provides the chariot the ability to stand in a level position on the ground.

The Hand The opening and closing hand is located under the chariot's wings and functions as an entrance into its hollow, central body.

The Spirit of the Living Creature This references the angelic spirit(s), inhabitant(s), or living beings that are stated in the biblical text to be located "inside of the wheel." It also references the face of the man." http://www.ufoinfo.com/news/ezekielswheels.shtml
 
Dude, you're still on here trying to divert away from your twisting bible verses to mean something they don't? Just admit that you were corrected by a non-believer in your religion.

You're supposed to be lead by the holy spirit, but did the holy spirit inspire you to wrongly interpret simple verses?
What inspired me to rightly interpret it and you to wrongly interpret it? That deserves a bit of time here because this is not the first time this has happened.
Why am I able to rightly interpret your holy book, while you struggle to do so?
Does it ACTUALLY require a "holy spirit" to interpret the bible? No, just common sense and a little bit of research. I've proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt and you helped me do so. Thank you.

It's statements like these that draw men away from God. Men, always thinking they can learn without God's help. If your statement in red is true, then God must be a liar in the verses below, based on your belief......

# "... both of the Father and of Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Colossians 2:2)


# " Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! ... For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things , to whom be glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:33,36)


# " For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding; He stores up sound wisdom for the upright ..." (Proverbs 2:6)


# Daniel answered and said: "Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are His. And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. He reveals deep and secret things ; He knows what is in the darkness, and light dwells with Him." (Daniel 2:20)


# " Can you search out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than heaven - what can you do? Deeper than Sheol - what can you know? Their measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea." (Job 11:7)


# ' Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know .' (Jeremiah 33:3) http://articles.smashits.com/articl...owledge-and-wisdom-comes-direct-from-god.html
 
No, your pride and vanity of not accepting salvation from Christ is sadly showing. I accepted Christ and His salvation. That makes me a blessed and saved man. What about you?

No, it was you who diverted to my character in post#27. JayRob, why lie when the evidence are in the posts? It was you who started the insults.......and if you're not a saved man, then it's you who error the most because you're fit for nothing in the eyes of God. An eternal death is at your door if you don't accept Christ.......that's fact.

........and Like I said, your vanity and pride makes you say filthy things about God, Christ, and Christianity.

No, what happening before my eyes is I'm reading the posts of a dead man walking......spiritually. I have a enough common sense to know God won't stand for your insults about Him, His Son, and His followers. Your just reward is at the door, and I pray you have spiritual sense to change, repent, and ask forgiveness before it's too late. Yes, the holy spirit will make know the saved and the unsaved. I pray you'll spiritually wake up out of the nightmare you live. Wake up and get saved JayRob!

I told you why, now accept it and move on. I aint changing what I know to be true. Deal with it!

These types of opinions are the results of religious fanatics like RB. I'm a "walking dead man" simply because I don't believe in a copied religious figure?! Are Muslims walking dead people? Are unbelieving Jews walking dead people? Are unbelieving Chinese walking dead people? Are millions of Hindu walking dead people? Are the millions and millions of people who don't believe in your religious god walking dead people?

Face it RB, you've gone off the deep end. This is what religion does. Sad, sad, sad.
 
ROYAL BLUE [QUOTE said:

You could've saved all that typing or copy and pasting. It has nothing to do with satan needing a chariot or vehicle to travel.

Ezekiel describes four angelic chariots as "living creatures" with various anatomical parts, like wings, legs, heads, etc, each of which has a corresponding anatomical location and function, all of which describe the angelic vehicles he sees first in the heavens, and then land on the ground in front of him! Read and be amazed and astounded! As you read my new Ezekiel translations, compare what the prophet describes to the "chariot" it describes, an be amazed!

*Each of the chariot's anatomical parts occupies a normal anatomical location and related anatomical function, unless otherwise stated in the text. There is one exception, which relates to the "encircling eyes" that are located within the chariot's "back."

RB, you just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. Ezekiel says CREATURES DUDE, CREATURES. He didn't say robots. You make simple language so difficult, I'm beginning to think you really can't comprehend simple language.

The Head The chariot's head-portion consists of a dome that is made of a clear, crystal-like material and occupies the chariot's superior-most position. It is part of the chariot's top-mounted, composite dome, the crystal head of which serves as a rotating, navigational dome.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Four Faces Three of the four faces are insignias that are part of a circular ring-like unit that connects superiorly to the clear domed head, occupying the chariot's mid-portion, and inferiorly with stationary, hollow and arched back.The face identified as "the face of a man", or " human face", is of the chariot's angelic pilot, who sits in the chariot's navigational dome.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Back(rings/rims) The arched, hollow back occupies the lower part of the chariot's composite dome. It is encircled by eyes, which confirms the fact that it is also circular. The encircling eyes are explained below.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Eyes The eyes surround the chariot's hollow, arched back. The eyes are round and function as ports for looking out from the chariot's hollow, top-mounted dome.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Wings The wings give the chariot its overall circular or wheel-like shape. The chariot has two horizontal wings on each of its four quadrants that extend at an angle, the one towards the other thus connecting together at the distal point. The wings are for flight.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Body The body is the hollow, central portion of the chariot that is concealed by two horizontally-extended, connecting wings that present on each of the (circular) chariot's four quadrants and, like the composite dome, is an inhabitable part of the chariot. The opening hand that is located "under their wings on their four quadrants", the function of which is established below.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Legs The legs are straight and unbending, and provide support for the chariot while standing on the ground. Thus, they are incapable of movement or "walking" on the ground. The four legs are position underneath the chariot's wings and are attached to the chariot's body-portion which is "covered" on all four quadrants by the "two covering wings." The legs are made of a polished amber-colored metal that are likened to highly polished brass.

Please provide verses supporting EACH description and not just your opinion.

The Feet The feet are round and flat, like that sole of a calf's foot, and are made of the same material as the legs. Their round, flat, beveled shape provides the chariot the ability to stand in a level position on the ground.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

The Hand The opening and closing hand is located under the chariot's wings and functions as an entrance into its hollow, central body.

Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

RB, I don't need anymore opinions. Provide verses support EACH description. If you can't (which I know you can't), you're once again making up stuff to support your theory.

And one more thing, if the above descriptions given by you are characteristic of ALL cherubs, then satan, michael and gabriel are ALL anatomical robots, inspite of the fact that Ezekiel says otherwise.....
Ezekiel 10:20-21 states, "These were the living creatures I had seen beneath the God of Israel by the river Kebar, and I realized that they were cherubim. Each had four faces and four wings, and under their wings was what looked like the hands of a man."

Like I said RB, you're digging that hole deeper and deeper and refuse to acknowledge it due to pure ignorance and pride.
 
It's statements like these that draw men away from God. Men, always thinking they can learn without God's help. If your statement in red is true, then God must be a liar in the verses below, based on your belief......

You KEEP saying god. Which god? As I taught you, Christ is a carbon copy of one of dozens of gods taken from history. You're just too arrogant, ignorant and cowardly enough to look it up for fear you'll find out something you're too afraid to find out.

# "... both of the Father and of Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Colossians 2:2)
# " Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! ... For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things , to whom be glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:33,36)
# " For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding; He stores up sound wisdom for the upright ..." (Proverbs 2:6)
# Daniel answered and said: "Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are His. And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. He reveals deep and secret things ; He knows what is in the darkness, and light dwells with Him." (Daniel 2:20)
# " Can you search out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than heaven - what can you do? Deeper than Sheol - what can you know? Their measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea." (Job 11:7)
# ' Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know .' (Jeremiah 33:3) http://articles.smashits.com/articl...owledge-and-wisdom-comes-direct-from-god.html

RB, if you have all of this support behind you, why are you constantly being schooled by someone who doesn't share your opinion? Why is that?
The part about the person calling on god to show them great and mighty things is lacking in your posts. I've yet to see anything great and mighty about them.
 
These types of opinions are the results of religious fanatics like RB. I'm a "walking dead man" simply because I don't believe in a copied religious figure?! Are Muslims walking dead people? Are unbelieving Jews walking dead people? Are unbelieving Chinese walking dead people? Are millions of Hindu walking dead people? Are the millions and millions of people who don't believe in your religious god walking dead people?

Face it RB, you've gone off the deep end. This is what religion does. Sad, sad, sad.

Let God answer your questions. I just agree with everything God states, and I have no problem standing on His holy word without apology.

John 12:48 Anyone who rejects Me and persistently sets Me at naught, refusing to accept My teachings, has his judge [however]; for the [very] message that I have spoken will itself judge and convict him at the last day.

1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1: 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2 John 1: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Now, I hope you can comprehend what the word "whosoever" means. It pertains to everybody. 2 John1:9 says that if JayRob don't accept Christ, then it will be "impossible" for JayRob to have eternal life with God. If you are as smart as you think you are, then why can't you comprehend a simple verse and accept Christ? Your pride is causing your soul not to have eternal life. JayRob, put your pride aside and receive eternal life from Christ. Come out of that darkness and receive the blessings God has in store for you. God loves you JayRob, and He has your soul to do with it as He wishes. Repent, ask forgiveness, and be blessed. Come into the light and be saved.
 
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Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting EACH description and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.



Please provide verses supporting and not just your opinion.

RB, I don't need anymore opinions. Provide verses support EACH description.


Here you go.......

http://www.ufoinfo.com/news/ezekielswheels.shtml
 
ROYAL BLUE [QUOTE said:
Let God answer your questions. I just agree with everything God states, and I have no problem standing on His holy word without apology.

John 12:48 Anyone who rejects Me and persistently sets Me at naught, refusing to accept My teachings, has his judge [however]; for the [very] message that I have spoken will itself judge and convict him at the last day.

1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1: 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2 John 1: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

See, this is why Christians who believe like this are SO arrogant and vain, but have the nerve to call themselves humble. Talk about being oxymoronic?! This religion takes it to another level.
Everybody's wrong, but they're right? Eventhough it's been proven that major parts of Christianity is plagiarized from Judaism, the Jews are wrong? Eventhough Christianity stole from parts of Egyptian religion, the Egyptians are wrong? Eventhough Christian authors plagiarized much of Hinduism, Hindu's are wrong? How can Christianity's foundational sources be wrong and the religion itself NOT be wrong? That's impossible.

This is how illogical people think when they become so vain and arrogant to think that their religion is the one and only right religion, eventhough Christianity stems from previous religions they accuse of being wrong. LOL!! I won't mention the fact that Christians can't even agree with what the "true" gospel is supposed to be, seeing that they have 31,000 different versions of it with the same number of denominations.

Now, I hope you can comprehend what the word "whosoever" means. It pertains to everybody. 2 John1:9 says that if JayRob don't accept Christ, then it will be "impossible" for JayRob to have eternal life with God. If you are as smart as you think you are, then why can't you comprehend a simple verse and accept Christ? Your pride is causing your soul not to have eternal life. JayRob, put your pride aside and receive eternal life from Christ. Come out of that darkness and receive the blessings God has in store for you. God loves you JayRob, and He has your soul to do with it as He wishes. Repent, ask forgiveness, and be blessed. Come into the light and be saved.

RB, go on holding yourself to those strenous details from a book created way back in time when men had no knowledge of how the solar system worked, no knowledge of electricity, no knowledge of microscopic organisms, no knowledge of the real causes of diseases, no knowledge of how earthquakes, hurricanes or tornadoes worked. No matter that the biblical authors didn't know any of the causes, yet you want someone like me, whose educated, whose learned to "think, research and ask questions", who has access to research-based material, you want someone like me to gullibly fall for a pack of myths and lies from that book and THEN turn around and base my life on it?! You can't be serious dude, you can't be.....but I know you are.

Thank goodness I don't have to hold my mind to the impossible and false standards your book demands that you do.
Thank goodness I've done the research and now, NO MORE do I have to worry myself with a "faith-based" and man-made hellfire religion, and I certainly don't have to worry myself with mistreating women, children, other races of people, etc., just because an outdated book ordered me to do so.

RB, I really feel sorry for people like you who believe such fairy tale nonsense, who call "bondage"....."freedom", and "freedom"....."bondage". I'm free-er than I've ever been since learning the true origin of religions, especially the one called "Christianity".
 
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RB, just for kicks, I read the article. First of all, the author is getting most of his information from ancient Greek texts, literature separate from the bible, from "early writings" outside the bible, from early Jewish and Gnostic religions, from the Catholic Bible, Ancient Near Eastern Texts, The Gnostic Scriptures, etc..

You mean to tell me that you pick and choose which pagan writings you want to attribute and use, then you criticize and discard other pagan sources that don't support your theories? That's what it sounds like in this case.

Weren't you the VERY person who bragged that if it's not from the bible, then it's not true? You're here now supporting extrabiblical pagan sources taken from pagan religions as support for your theory. That's hypocrisy in it's rarest form.

This author goes on to say that this is HIS new translation of the following verses:

Ez. 1:23:
Ez. 1:11:
Ez. 1:8:


RB, this is the author's OPINION and he all but admits it. His actual descriptions are not supported by other bible verses.
As a matter of fact, the article is primarily supported by Gnostic and Near Eastern Writings.

RB, are you in support of pagan writings now? So it seems, so it seem.

Still RB, this article gives no reason why satan would need a chariot if he has wings. That WAS my question to you, and still is. You've yet to come close to answering it. Instead, you again go way out in left field somewhere.
 
RB

car, truck, plane etc..

That's a stupid answer, I would expect a moron to say something like that.If Satan will be utilizing a chariot "this time" how come he did not use one when God kicked him of heaven?
 
See, this is why Christians who believe like this are SO arrogant and vain, but have the nerve to call themselves humble. Talk about being oxymoronic?! This religion takes it to another level.

Well, this is the qualification for entering into eternity. If you don't believe, then you will be left out in the cold. Come inside and feel the warmth of Christ JayRob. You too can reach a higher level in Christ.

RB, I really feel sorry for people like you who believe such fairy tale nonsense, who call "bondage"....."freedom", and "freedom"....."bondage". I'm free-er than I've ever been since learning the true origin of religions, especially the one called "Christianity".

Please, don't feel sorry for me because you have no idea how blessed I am! I don't need a man to pitty me. I wasn't raised that way, nor did the Christian military teach me to allow others to pity me. I stand on Christ the Rock, and been doing just fine on the Rock. I have no worries. What about you?
 
You mean to tell me that you pick and choose which pagan writings you want to attribute and use, then you criticize and discard other pagan sources that don't support your theories? That's what it sounds like in this case. Weren't you the VERY person who bragged that if it's not from the bible, then it's not true? You're here now supporting extrabiblical pagan sources taken from pagan religions as support for your theory. That's hypocrisy in it's rarest form.

What's pagan about the wheel Ezekiel described that others saw and documented? This is no different from others saying they saw what Ezekiel saw. Where's the hypocrisy?

Again, I posted the information and stand by it.
 
What's pagan about the wheel Ezekiel described that others saw and documented? This is no different from others saying they saw what Ezekiel saw. Where's the hypocrisy?

Again, I posted the information and stand by it.

It's not the wheel being pagan, it's about the interpretation of the wheel that's pagan and you know it. You've again been caught in another net, not able to wiggle your way out of this once again.

If you want to go on being a hypocrite, that's your prerogative. You make scripture fit to your theory, no matter where you get your information. Gnostic teachings are as pagan as you can get, and this man's interpretation is as pagan as you can get, but never mind that. In your opinion, pagans can be more right than the actual bible itself.
I'd have to agree with you there.
 



Well, this is the qualification for entering into eternity. If you don't believe, then you will be left out in the cold. Come inside and feel the warmth of Christ JayRob. You too can reach a higher level in Christ.

Other religions say the same thing. Christianity's no different than they are. You know it and I know it and your pope knows it.

Please, don't feel sorry for me because you have no idea how blessed I am! I don't need a man to pitty me. I wasn't raised that way, nor did the Christian military teach me to allow others to pity me. I stand on Christ the Rock, and been doing just fine on the Rock. I have no worries. What about you?

Eventhough I don't have Christianity as a religion, I still have morals and ethics. I pity you whether you accept it or not. Go on being under the terror of a brimstone and hell-fire toting god. It's call sadomasochism, learning to love the one you fear and fear the one you love.
 
It's not the wheel being pagan, it's about the interpretation of the wheel that's pagan and you know it. You've again been caught in another net, not able to wiggle your way out of this once again.

If you want to go on being a hypocrite, that's your prerogative. You make scripture fit to your theory, no matter where you get your information. Gnostic teachings are as pagan as you can get, and this man's interpretation is as pagan as you can get, but never mind that. In your opinion, pagans can be more right than the actual bible itself.
I'd have to agree with you there.

JayRob, any Christian reading your posts know you are the epitome of pagan, therefore you have no value and are clearly talking about yourself. Why are you talking about yourself? Why would I, or any Christian listen to your pagan interpretation? You don't even believe in Christ, and yet you want me and others to value your pagan word!?

If you can't see the love Christ have for you, then how will you understand angelic chariots? You have to crawl before you can walk in the word JayRob. The first step is accepting Christ, and additional knowledge will be added as you grow in Christ.
 
Other religions say the same thing. Christianity's no different than they are. You know it and I know it and your pope knows it.



Eventhough I don't have Christianity as a religion, I still have morals and ethics. I pity you whether you accept it or not. Go on being under the terror of a brimstone and hell-fire toting god. It's call sadomasochism, learning to love the one you fear and fear the one you love.

JayRob, God loves you, and yet you refuse His love for you.......why? Why do you hate the Father that sent the Son to offer eternal life? Do you not want eternal life? What is it JayRob?
 
JayRob, any Christian reading your posts know you are the epitome of pagan, therefore you have no value and are clearly talking about yourself. Why are you talking about yourself? Why would I, or any Christian listen to your pagan interpretation? You don't even believe in Christ, and yet you want me and others to value your pagan word!?

My pagan interpretation? Uhhh RB, you were the one who posted the pagan article. It was you who brought to light the Gnostic interpretations of Ezekiel after you posted that article and after it was pointed out to you. Me thinks you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar again, with crumbs all over your mouth. Now you're trying to call me pagan. It's you who got caught with pagan documentation.

If you can't see the love Christ have for you, then how will you understand angelic chariots? You have to crawl before you can walk in the word JayRob. The first step is accepting Christ, and additional knowledge will be added as you grow in Christ.

RB, love existed long before Christianity and will exist long after it. Even ancient cultures knew what love meant and how to treat their neighbor or they wouldn't have survived for thousands and thousands of years.

Your god commanded his people to rape, pillage, steal land, commit genocide, slavery, racism, and the worst evil of killing innocent first born children simply because HE hardened the mind of their king so the king could not repent. Now how loving is that?
Never mind that though, you still love him for calling you a worthless sinner, for calling you filthy rags, and the like, just like an abused mate still loves the abusing mate eventhough he/she degrades, demeans and controls them until death or until they escape their evil clutches.

Please, I don't want that kind of love nor that kind of god. Thank you very much. If you want that, have at it, but quit lying and calling him a "god of love".

You can dance around the evils of the bible, it's contradictions, it's unfulfilled prophecies until the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is you have no strong foundational leg to stand on when trying to defend such fables.
You know it, I know it and those who read these posts with honest, objective and open minds know it.
 
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JayRob, God loves you, and yet you refuse His love for you.......why? Why do you hate the Father that sent the Son to offer eternal life? Do you not want eternal life? What is it JayRob?

RB, your diversionary tactics of trying to avoid the actual subject at hand is very childish and elementary. The only father I have is my birth father, not some celestial totalitarian man-made god of death, you persist in lying for by calling him "love", especially after what he's done to millions of innocent babies, children, women, men and animals. There are a number of titles you'd qualify for in the DSM-IV manual, but that's another story in itself.

Now back to the subject at hand....RB's explanation of Ezekiel's wheel derived from pagan Gnostic texts AND his inability to explain why "satan needs a chariot, when he has wings".
 
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My pagan interpretation? You were the one who posted the pagan article for crying out loud. It was you who brought to light the Gnostic interpretations of Ezekiel after you posted that article and after I investigated and pointed it out. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar again, with crumbs all over your mouth. Now you're dishonestly trying to call me pagan. It's you who got caught with pagan documentation.



RB, love existed long before Christianity and will exist long after it. Even ancient cultures knew what love meant and how to treat their neighbor or they wouldn't have survived for thousands and thousands of years.

Your god commanded his people to rape, pillage, steal land, commit genocide, slavery, racism, and the worst evil of killing innocent first born children simply because HE hardened the mind of their king so the king could not repent. Now how loving is that?
Never mind that though, you still love him for calling you a worthless sinner, for calling you filthy rags, and the like, just like an abused mate still loves the abusing mate eventhough he/she degrades, demeans and controls them until death or until they escape their evil clutches.

Please, I don't want that kind of love nor that kind of god. Thank you very much. If you want that, have at it, but quit lying and calling him a "god of love".

You can dance around the evils of the bible, it's contradictions, it's unfulfilled prophecies until the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is you have no strong foundational leg to stand on when trying to defend such fables.
You know it, I know it and those who read these posts with honest, objective and open minds know it.

Yes, your pagan word. You are no different than any non-Christian. If you disagree with Christ, then you are in the same boat as the heathen.

No, it was you who came on to a Christian forum trying to discredit the holy word with your pagan findings......for crying out loud. Get your facts straight.

Again, I stand by my source and there was nothing pagan about it. You're trying to twist things to fit your twisted thoguhts.
 
RB, your diversionary tactics of trying to avoid the actual subject at hand is very childish and elementary. The only father I have is my birth father, not some celestial totalitarian man-made god of death, you persist in lying for by calling him "love", especially after what he's done to millions of innocent babies, children, women, men and animals. There are a number of titles you'd qualify for in the DSM-IV manual, but that's another story in itself.

Now back to the subject at hand....RB's explanation of Ezekiel's wheel derived from pagan Gnostic texts AND his inability to explain why "satan needs a chariot, when he has wings".

...and your diversion from receiving eternal life is worse than mine.
 
Yes, your pagan word. You are no different than any non-Christian. If you disagree with Christ, then you are in the same boat as the heathen.

No, it was you who came on to a Christian forum trying to discredit the holy word with your pagan findings......for crying out loud. Get your facts straight.

Again, I stand by my source and there was nothing pagan about it. You're trying to twist things to fit your twisted thoguhts.

RB, last I recall, this is an open forum for all types of beliefs and thoughts for educational purposes. Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers, non-denominationalists, etc., are all invited to post comments for educational purposes as I understand. The title of this forum says nothing about being ONLY Christian.
Why you mentioned such is beyond me.

Now getting back to the subject matter.

RB, did you once state that "if it's not in the bible, then you won't believe it?" Then you turn right around and post an article that's almost totally pagan in order to support your theory about Ezekiel's wheel?

In addition to that, you go on to say that there's nothing pagan about the article when it clearly mentions Gnostic texts and other pagan literature in it's contents. How you don't call that pagan is beyond me. Perhaps you're not as devoted to everything Christian as you claimed. That's probably a good thing.

Let's not focus on "me" to try and divert attention, but lets stick to the subject at hand.

Again I ask two simple questions, "why does satan need a chariot when he has wings?" And "why are you quoting a pagan source, while at the same time claiming it's not pagan?"
 
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RB, last I recall, this is an open forum for all types of beliefs and thoughts for educational purposes. Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers, non-denominationalists, etc., are all invited to post comments for educational purposes as I understand. The title of this forum says nothing about being ONLY Christian.
Why you mentioned such is beyond me.

Now getting back to the subject matter.

RB, did you once state that "if it's not in the bible, then you won't believe it?" Then you turn right around and post an article that's almost totally pagan in order to support your theory about Ezekiel's wheel?

In addition to that, you go on to say that there's nothing pagan about the article when it clearly mentions Gnostic texts and other pagan literature in it's contents. How you don't call that pagan is beyond me. Perhaps you're not as devoted to everything Christian as you claimed. That's probably a good thing.

Let's not focus on "me" to try and divert attention, but lets stick to the subject at hand.

Again I ask two simple questions, "why does satan need a chariot when he has wings?" And "why are you quoting a pagan source, while at the same time claiming it's not pagan?"

Yes, it's open to all religions, but let's not be ignorant to a no polling opinion that "probably" 95-98% of TSPN members consider themselves to be of the Christian faith, and when one of the members discuss biblical issues, it's in reference to one bible.....the holy bible. Also, I can "probably" say that when most members ask for prayer, they would rather those prayers end in "Jesus" name. My numbers may be off, but deifinately close..........

I told you why angels needs a chariot, they need them to travel.

What does talking about a chariot have to do with religious/pagan belief?
 
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