Black Republican Speaks Out !!!!!

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by TSU/BAMA
Well, I think what you just said is a bunch of poppycock, but like I said before, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Hey, we need "black conservatives", what ever that is. .

My phlilosophy is: If everyone is thinking alike, no one is thinking at all.

I agree with you on the tangent that if all of us are thinking alike then then no one is thinking at all. I just put the information out there. It's not poppycock..It's history, experience and the truth. And yes we do need black conservatives...cuz guess what, if Im conservative.....I dont believe in Abortion (whites want us to kill as many of our babies as we can cuz they want to remain the majority in this country)...I also believe in the 2nd amendment(the right to keep and bear arms): as did Nat Turner...(do you think the killings of blacks in Rosewood and the massacre in Black Wall Street in Oklahoma would have happend if bruthas would have been armed. And guess what else , as a conservative Im tired of my tax dollars going to support a bunch of lazy fuka muthas that wont go to work...by the way, the overwhelming majority of food stamp and handout recepients in this country are WHITE (a good number of black welfare receipients are not on welfare over 8 months)...just my philosophy, my ideology, and yes we can agree to disagree.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

I had to post this make Liberals Mad

THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER

CLASSIC VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.

MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing "It's Not Easy Being Green." Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton stage a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing "We shall overcome". Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Al Gore exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share". Finally, the EOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary Clinton gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried, before a panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients. The ant loses the case. The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

VOTE REPUBLICAN
:love:

 

[EB]

Originally posted by Makaho Bedrock


Uhh, I dont know the political afffiliation of Goodman, Chaney or Cooper but I happen to know that the civil rights act was passed due to lesiglation primarily from Republicans and some other Democratic legislators from the NORTHERN states. Southern states such as Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas and others all had Democratic delegates that overwhelmingly voted NO for civil rights legislation. And there were no black conservatives or liberals back then...because they were too afraid to go to the polls. And guess what, the conservatives were in the Northern states back then...all you had in the south were Democrats/Dixiecrats that wanted to keep the boot on the neck of us as a people.

Let me just run down a portion of early Black Republican History.

1862 Abraham Lincolin (Republican) first president ever to meet with a group of African Americans.

1864 The Republican national convention makes the abortion of slavery it's primary platform.

1868 Oscar J. Dunn(Black Republican) becomes Lieutenant Gov. in Lousiana

1870 Hiram Revels (Black republican) is elected to fill U.S. Senate seat formerly held by Jefferson Davis.

1872 John R. Lynch (Black republican) is elected Speaker of the Mississippi House of Rep.

1875 Blanche K. Bruce becomes the first African-American elected to a full term in Senate.

(Enough history)

By the way, as a result of Jim Crow and other endeavors against our people we were too afraid to go to the polls for a long period of time. But since it's conception the Republican party has never stood in the door to prevent blacks from it's voting rights. If you look at all of the racist bigots that turned dogs and water hoses on us during the 60's...f you take out the DEMOCRATS in the picture, then all you have left is dogs and hoses. By the way, black freedom riders were not democratic or republican, because they were beaten if they tried to go to the polls. We as a people did'nt start voting democrat as a whole until John F. Kennedy under advisement from a staff member telephoned Martin Luther King Jr. when he was in an Alabama jail to wish him well. As a result of this we had the highest voting percentage ever in our history as a people of 41%.

So to answer your question TSU/BAMA I guess the conservative Republicans were in the Northern states pushing their congressman to vote yes for the civil rights act...because they did'nt exist in the south.....they were all democrats.

I will state a few facts here.

Lincoln original mission was to restore the Union. If he could do it by eliminating slavery, he would do it. If he could do it by keeping slavery, he would do that too. Blacks were not introduced into the Union army in large numbers until the north realized that they were needed to win the war. Until Gettysburg and Vicksburg, the south scored a lot of victories.

After the war Lincoln did not want to punish the south like some radical republicans did. He wanted a passive response to the south's rebellion. If I am correct he pardoned the confederate leaders.

Lincoln's successor Andrew Johnson, a republican, blocked a lot of reconstruction reforms.

The war hero, Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, took the U.S. Marshalls out of the south. They were their to help keep order during reconstruction. They were not sent back to the south until the 1950's or 60's. I think it was the '60's under Kennedy.

Rutherford B. Hayes took the federal troops out of the southern states and sent them out west to fight the Native Americans. This was a part of the compromise of 1877 and in effect ended reconstruction. Hayes made a lot of visits to the south and acted favorable toward the region.

The Black republicans of the 1800's were not known as conservatives. They helped pass progressive legislation that is very similar that was passed and signed during the 1960's under Johnson. (The Supreme Court struck down some civil rights legislation during the last 1800's.) A lot of that legislation is at least frowned upon by conservative republicans like Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and Ronald Reagan.

Herbert Hoover, a conservative republican who was the architect of the economic policies of the 1920's (a forrunner to the Great Depression), campaigned heavily in the south and won in most of the southern states.

After 1932 Blacks started voting democratic after Roosevelt's New Deal programs.

 

[EB]

In essence I made the post to show that both parties are guilty of bad treatment towards us. We vote the way that we votes because we feel that it is in our best interests. The Florida fiasco did not help the republican's effort in getting more of our votes.

Sure, we need to be more sophisticated in our politics. But as long as the republicans and conservatives are represented by the likes Rush Limbaugh, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Phil Gram, Ronald Reagan, Trent Lott, Ward Connerly, Clarence Thomas and the rest, I and other Black folks will have problems with the republicans.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by EB
In essence I made the post to show that both parties are guilty of bad treatment towards us. We vote the way that we votes because we feel that it is in our best interests. The Florida fiasco did not help the republican's effort in getting more of our votes.

You kow what is so sad about all of this.....we don't vote enough as a people for anyone to make a concerted effort on a national level to get our support. As I have stated before we are 12% of the population, and less than 30% of that vote, and Im not good at math but that is only about 4 percent nationally. The NAACP has accepted money from the democratic party to conduct GOTV , but the Republican party doesn't need "any" of our votes to win...why, because we dont play political ball. We sell our selves to one party and as a result end up on the short end of the stick. As I have stated before we need blacks in both parties to sway elections to ultimately benefit our agendas. Cuz, guess what..we don't have the numbers to do it ourselves.

 

[Olde Hornet]

Makaho Bedrock - As a Black conservative, I am disappointed at the people that currently call themselves conservative when they are so close to being liberals with a different agenda.

1. Abortion - True conservative say this is not a government issue!
2. Welfare reform - We have done this for individuals, but true conservatives would argue that we need to do the same for corporations too.
3. Military - True conservative are for the smarter weapons and systems the pentagon is wants. The current set of "conservatives" are only for "BIG" spending projects for their districts - providing the pentagon new "ships", "planes" etc.. things that provide jobs in their districts.
4. Economic Policy ? True conservatives want balanced budgets, sound economic policy and sound tax policy for all.
I could go on, but you see what I am saying.

 

[JSU*Toi]

Originally posted by Makaho Bedrock


Uhh, I dont know the political afffiliation of Goodman, Chaney or Cooper but I happen to know that the civil rights act was passed due to lesiglation primarily from Republicans and some other Democratic legislators from the NORTHERN states. Southern states such as Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas and others all had Democratic delegates that overwhelmingly voted NO for civil rights legislation. And there were no black conservatives or liberals back then...because they were too afraid to go to the polls. And guess what, the conservatives were in the Northern states back then...all you had in the south were Democrats/Dixiecrats that wanted to keep the boot on the neck of us as a people.

Let me just run down a portion of early Black Republican History.

1862 Abraham Lincolin (Republican) first president ever to meet with a group of African Americans.

1864 The Republican national convention makes the abortion of slavery it's primary platform.

1868 Oscar J. Dunn(Black Republican) becomes Lieutenant Gov. in Lousiana

1870 Hiram Revels (Black republican) is elected to fill U.S. Senate seat formerly held by Jefferson Davis.

1872 John R. Lynch (Black republican) is elected Speaker of the Mississippi House of Rep.

1875 Blanche K. Bruce becomes the first African-American elected to a full term in Senate.

(Enough history)

By the way, as a result of Jim Crow and other endeavors against our people we were too afraid to go to the polls for a long period of time. But since it's conception the Republican party has never stood in the door to prevent blacks from it's voting rights. If you look at all of the racist bigots that turned dogs and water hoses on us during the 60's...f you take out the DEMOCRATS in the picture, then all you have left is dogs and hoses. By the way, black freedom riders were not democratic or republican, because they were beaten if they tried to go to the polls. We as a people did'nt start voting democrat as a whole until John F. Kennedy under advisement from a staff member telephoned Martin Luther King Jr. when he was in an Alabama jail to wish him well. As a result of this we had the highest voting percentage ever in our history as a people of 41%.

So to answer your question TSU/BAMA I guess the conservative Republicans were in the Northern states pushing their congressman to vote yes for the civil rights act...because they did'nt exist in the south.....they were all democrats.

Please Don't quote that as being the Republican Party of today , If you took U.S. history then you know that the Republican Party of the 1800's was nothing and is nothing like the Republican Party of today....


And I find it a slap in the face that you would try and use that to stand on. Please give me a resent list of how the Republican Party has helped Our people.

Now I understand that both parties have issue but don't try and spoon feed me a crop of s**t that you were told. About the Republican being this great party for our people when right now they are voting our civil liberties away. I willl not buy it or stand for it.


As far as your history lesson goes. I hope you never become a teacher , because I would hate to have you teach my kids.


But it is all love... we have to agree to disagree on this one,

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by SexyASSJSU*ATL



Please Don't quote that as being the Republican Party of today , If you took U.S. history then you know that the Republican Party of the 1800's was nothing and is nothing like the Republican Party of today....


And I find it a slap in the face that you would try and use that to stand on. Please give me a resent list of how the Republican Party has helped Our people.

Now I understand that both parties have issue but don't try and spoon feed me a crop of s**t that you were told. About the Republican being this great party for our people when right now they are voting our civil liberties away. I willl not buy it or stand for it.


As far as your history lesson goes. I hope you never become a teacher , because I would hate to have you teach my kids.


But it is all love... we have to agree to disagree on this one,

It amazes me how people only want to look at history when it benefits their side of the arguement...and it's not a slap in the face. It's the truth and you will never worry about me becoming a teacher, the pay aint high enough for me.

I am a Republican because I am a conservative.......
I am a Republican because I'm tired of our people being Pimped by the Democratic Party.
I am a Republican because since I am self-employed...free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative (something you don't get if you stay on food stamps your whole life) is best facilitated by a conservative government.

And taking care of your people is getting financially established enough to do so...so they won't be a burnden on the system and therby worry aobut their CIVIL LIBERTIES.
And you don't have to worry about the ACLU and any other Liberal organization going any where...the Democratic party has seen to it that we will always have a permanent Underclass in this country.....

Capatialism/Conservatism is the unequal distribution of Wealth.....
Socialism/Liberalism is the equal distribution of Poverty.....

Show me a young man that is not Liberal and he has no heart !!!
Show me an old man that is not Conservative and he has no brain!! - Winston Churchill
( I prefer brains )

By the way, nothing was like it was in 1800....that's called progression.......Yeah, I learned that "crop of s***"(your words) you refered to in Middle School". I guess those history teachers also lied about the very same street that you got your Degree from (Lynch) being named after a Black Republican.

This current administration has put more african americans in high level positions than any other in history....but you don't care.

BTW, Bill Clinton (the first Black President according to some)....
Appointed Mike Espy to Sec. of Agriculture....Mike Espy was forced to resign !!!!
He also appointed Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General....She was also forced to resign.....
Oh yeah, and more African American males were incarcerated in Bill Clintons 8 years than any other Presidential tenure in history go figure......

But, all this does not matter....Im not gonna change your opinion one way or the other....And you surely won't change mine. I just find it funny how most Democrats always answer my questions with questions...and any facts I give are called SLAPS IN THE FACE....

And it is not all love........and as I stated before you will never have to worry about me teaching your kids, aint enough money in teaching for me....teach your own dayumm kids.

 

[Vinita]

You know, I WAS enjoying this discourse ...

I TEACH my children, and if you ever move to Cedar Hill, I'll probably teach YOURS, too ...

Most folks with sense enough to walk, chew gum, and have a coherent thought at the same time have sense enough to know that teachers don't teach for the pay. Furthermore, you say teach your own dayum kids, and that teachers don't get paid enough for YOU ...

We also don't get paid enough for the other ignorant mofo's who expect us to teach their kids a particular subject AS WELL AS how to behave, all the while voting down bonds that will raise their taxes by ****ing PENNIES so we can FEED our OWN damned kids ...

So excuse me while I take adamant exception to the last part of of your statement.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Re: You know, I WAS enjoying this discourse ...

Originally posted by Vinita
I TEACH my children, and if you ever move to Cedar Hill, I'll probably teach YOURS, too ...

Most folks with sense enough to walk, chew gum, and have a coherent thought at the same time have sense enough to know that teachers don't teach for the pay. Furthermore, you say teach your own dayum kids, and that teachers don't get paid enough for YOU ...

We also don't get paid enough for the other ignorant mofo's who expect us to teach their kids a particular subject AS WELL AS how to behave, all the while voting down bonds that will raise their taxes by ****ing PENNIES so we can FEED our OWN damned kids ...

So excuse me while I take adamant exception to the last part of of your statement.

The last part of my statement was not directed towards you. And If you were offended then mabye you might have questions about what you are doing.
I guess you want a cookie or something....I know you don't do it for the money...I know you have to deal with a lot of CRAP from parents and kids. But you chose to do that.....so don't complain.
I was a Captain in the Army and had to deal with crappy living conditons (outside) and enemy soldiers trying to bust a cap in my arse...by the way, most people don't give a rat's arse abut what I did.....they were just glad their gas prices went down as a result.
But I aint complaing cuz guess what...I volunteered to do that.

And mabye you should use some of your "adamant energy" to get active in politics to try to persuade some of those ignornat mofos you speak of to register and vote, I mean you are a teacher right.....so teach them.

BTW, if you feel so strongly about teaching and according to you "don't do it for the pay"....then why don't you do it for FREE.
Im only asking this because I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Hmmmm, I guess I will only stick to posting threads about PUDDIN since they have more creedence in this Forum and don't envoke such hostilities.

 

[Vinita]

Keep your cookies, sir ... and your ASSumptions ...

I don't want **** from you or anyone else, and I don't question what I do, and I don't give a damn if you post about Republicans or puddin' or dogs in the road or the wild hair in your ass.

When you say ANYTHING disparaging in ANY way about TEACHERS, then I, as a TEACHER, take OFFENSE. Just as you see fit to compose ceaseless diatribes DEFENDING your political "party," I see fit to DEFEND those who choose the same occupation as I do from people who look down their imperious noses at us because we decided to get worked to death in a damned near thankless job that pays PI$$.

Then I calm down and am glad that we get paid pennies ... because it keeps the dimwits who don't have the open mindedness to do the job out of the job.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Hmmmmm???

I noticed that you made your previous post at 9:20 A.M.
I may not have the mindedness to teach but last I checked uhh... is'nt school in at at this time....should'nt you be molding young minds since you love it so much? By the way, it's good to see that the kids in Cedar Hill are receiving such a quality education via the SWAC page network.

BTW, I happed to be one of those individuals you made reference to before that vote for bond issues that benefit teachers and police and public works pesonnel.
I have this theory that if Junebug receives a quality education from teachers then he is less likely to try and rob me at gunpoint and I will not have to envoke my 2nd Amendment rights which I support since I am a republican and blow his uneducated brains out...the Police and Public works personnel won't have to come and clean it all up.

And those ceasless diatributes are nowhere near as bad ass the wolf tickets the Democratic party has sold for years.

And I do have an interest in what teachers do...I just don't choose to do it. I am also interested in what the Sanitation Engineers do as well...I dayumm sure don't wanna do that either. But, I do get mad if they don't pick up my garbage.

Mabye you should move to Jackson...we surely need better quality teaching in JPS...by the way teachers in Mississippi are the lowest paid in the nation.

 

[mighty hornet]

Originally posted by Makaho Bedrock
.the Democratic party has seen to it that we will always have a permanent Underclass in this country.....

Explain that, if you can
and when you finish, please explain what the Republican party "has seen to"

This current administration has put more african americans in high level positions than any other in history

Please provide proof of that.

I just find it funny how most Democrats always answer my questions with questions

And I find it funny how the black Republicans that I know always seem to speak in nothing but generalities about "their" party, seem to think that all the problems in the world are caused by Democrats, and are opposed to the very programs which have benefited their asses.

If you wanna be a Republican, that's fine. But I would hope that you're not wearing rose colored glasses and think that the Republicans schit don't stank!

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Uhh, look back abuot 10 posts

Mighty Hornet,

What do you call welfare and federal revenue sharing programs. All welfare does is make people dependent and not seek the initiative to do better. BTW most people on Welfare in this country are 2nd to third generation recepients. Oh, and most of these people are White too. So If that's not a permanent underclass I don't know what is.

What do you call Colin Powell being the Sec. of State....that is the Highest level position a black man has ever had in this country.
Rod Paige, Sec. of Education (JSU Grad and former JSU coach).
Condaleeza Rice....National Security Advisor....a black woman is informing the Pres. of the United States on matters of security.
(As I stated before, Bill Clinton had appointed African Americans to high level positions but no where near as high as this current administration's.....Sec. of Agriculture Mike Espy....he was forced to resign, Sec. of Commerce Ron Brown...he died mysteriously in a plane crash....govt. planes don't have maint. problems and go down.....Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders....also forced to resign)

And I am a Conservative...but, I aint no fool either....Hell yeah, I support affirmative action to a certain degree cuz I benefited from it at one point or time before I became self-employed. But I see too many problems on a national level to support the Dem party.

You wanna talk generalities......
Liberals support abortion.....I know the majority of blacks do not because we don't run down to the clinic to abort our children just to save the family some embarassment like white liberal families do. That whole thing about believing in GOD and thou shalt not kill stops a lot of us from going (But we holla we Democrat).

Liberals support same sex marriages and Homosexuality...Come on you know that kind of ISHT is taboo in a lot of our families...Don't let um come to your church hugged up either...they will get run (But we holla we Democrat).

Liberals support gun control.....Come on you and I well know if JuneBug or Billy Ray is gonna rob somebody..he aint gonna fill out no Brady Bill form to get his gun. But all those rich liberals like Rosie O'donnell and even some of my Rich Arse Trial Attorney friends here live in gated communities with a guy with guess what. "A GUN" determining whether or not I can get in (But we holla we Democrat).

I could go on and on, but Im not gonna convince any naysayers otherwise...I just wanted to start the discussion. If facts and history can't convince you then how am I.

What's so scary about this whole thing is that we as a people have the lowest voting percentage in this country (less than 30%) and we complain the most. Based on the law of probability 30% of the people in this forum that have blasted me vote themselves.

And Schit stanks no matter what politician launches it...It's just if you support the other party you think that their party's Schit is more putrid.....but, it's Schit nonetheless.

 

[HBCUs]

*chuckling*

LOL. There's nothing better than heated political debate, especially among Black folks. Exchange of ideas such as this should occur more often in Black forums, as we still have many "issues" within the race that we like to dismiss as taboo. At least it stimulates THOUGHT.

I for one would best describe myself as an independent. (No, not independent in the sense that I vote only for independent candidates or fly-by-night third parties, but independent in the truest sense.) Simply put, I vote for the individual that I feel will best serve my interests, not because my momma or best friend or family voted a certain way. It is pure folly for one to blindly align himself with an organization as though that organization is the end-all and be-all. I believe that neither party truly cares about Black folks' interests because, as Makaho mentioned before, we don't demand that our voices be heard. That can only be done at the ballot box and through political action. It's sad that in the year 2001, some 30 years after the Civil Rights movement, that Black folks have to be bribed, petted, and practically begged to get involved in the political process. (SUV raffles at voter registration drives--- WTF????) No one is obligated to cater towards Black folks but Black folks. I'm old-fashioned in that I still take the "segregationist" view of Black self-reliance. Hmm, maybe that makes me conservative too? :idea:

Like what he says or not, Makaho has made some valid points about Black folks in relation to modern American politics, and it amuses me to see folks up in arms when various truths are mentioned. The fact is, Blacks in America have always been a largely conservative people--- quite simply, in the past we never felt the need to label ourselves as such. (Just look at our prevailing views on everything from religion to sex.) I can't speak for those younger than I (I'm 25), but I can safely say that the value systems of those around the same age and older are greatly more conservative than our white counterparts. I guess it's only a matter of time, though, before our value systems are completely eroded by the pipe-dream that is "integrated" society. But hey, that's another thread entirely....

 

[EB]

I intentionally stayed not posted too much. But I have a few statements.

Yes, there are teachers that should not be in the classroom. Just like there are politicians that do not need to be voted out of office. But it is too easy to blame teachers when they are not very well paid. It is a wonder how they can put up with so much.

Bill Clinton's cabinet did look like America. His administration looked like America while he was governor too. President Clinton and former President Carter carried some of the lessons they learned from the Black folks that they were around while growing up in the segregated south in Arkansas and Georgia.

Yes, more Whites are on welfare than Blacks. White men account for most of the sex crimes. (I think it is over 78%.) But welfare is more identifiable with Black women than White as sex crimes are more identifiable with Black men. This is racial profiling if I ever saw it. These issues (Or should I say stereotypes?) benefited the presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Let's not forget how they used affirmative action between Blacks and Whites. BTW affirmative action benefits mostly White women.

Many republicans supported the crime bill signed by Clinton.

Many of the former dixicrats like Strom Thurmond are now republicans. Strom Thurmond became a republican in 1964.

Yes, Black people need to be more sophisticated in their politics. Our people need to vote in higher number. But we basically vote our interests, like everyone else.

I must say it loud.

MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!
MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!
MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!
MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by EB
I intentionally stayed not posted too much. But I have a few statements.

Yes, there are teachers that should not be in the classroom. Just like there are politicians that do not need to be voted out of office. But it is too easy to blame teachers when they are not very well paid. It is a wonder how they can put up with so much.

Bill Clinton's cabinet did look like America. His administration looked like America while he was governor too. President Clinton and former President Carter carried some of the lessons they learned from the Black folks that they were around while growing up in the segregated south in Arkansas and Georgia.

Yes, more Whites are on welfare than Blacks. White men account for most of the sex crimes. (I think it is over 78%.) But welfare is more identifiable with Black women than White as sex crimes are more identifiable with Black men. This is racial profiling if I ever saw it. These issues (Or should I say stereotypes?) benefited the presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Let's not forget how they used affirmative action between Blacks and Whites. BTW affirmative action benefits mostly White women.

Many republicans supported the crime bill signed by Clinton.

Many of the former dixicrats like Strom Thurmond are now republicans. Strom Thurmond became a republican in 1964.

Yes, Black people need to be more sophisticated in their politics. Our people need to vote in higher number. But we basically vote our interests, like everyone else.

I must say it loud.

MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!
MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!
MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!
MIKE ESPY WAS ACQUITTED!

Mike espy was Aquitted only after the very same president that appointed him asked him to resign. I just find it funny that when Bubba Clinton asked him to resign for accepting football ticket and travel packages from TYSON chicken and other Agricultural organizations...he did not resign himself when he got caught getting a hummer by a skank arse intern that kept a Gack stained dress as a trophy. (Ummm, which is worse to you?)

Oh, you might argue and say that both what these guys did was not ILLEGAL but unethical...Yeah, all I know is that bubba made the brutha resign and he kept his job....Clinton dodged more bullets than Keanu Reeves in the Matrix !!!

And yeah, Clinton's lower cabinet did look like America...the one White America sees as gettin fired when they step out of line...Just ask MIKE ESPY and JOCELYN ELDERS...By the way, I live here in Jackson...I see Mike Espy dayumm, near 4 times a year...he can hardly hold his head up in public thanks to Bubba Clinton. But you liberals only know the other end of the story...you don't know that the White Liberals left him out to dry when they found out he was dating a white woman behind his wifes back....You know they aint gonna have that here in the Crooked Letta. And if you think Im lying.....UHH, read the divorce court transcript...It is public knowledge !!!
I don't know why black people line up to eat a yard of Bill Clinton's ISHT....When he fired 2 of the 3 folks that looked like us in the cabinet...the other one died mysteriously.....more black men were incarcerated in the 8 years of his administration than any other time in history...including the 60's...

Oh, and by the way I voted for his Dumb Arse cuz I thought Bob Dole was too dayumm old and out of touch so I can say this without reservation.
Bill Clinton is gone....he aint neva coming back...Black Liberals please stop kissing his arse...all he is doing is moving into Harlem and raising the rent for the locals so most of us gotta move out.. Just ask the Black Panters about that, they held a press conference and several protests against it..and they as far to the left as you can get. Bill Clinton pimped us to get into office and he aint done a dayumm thang for his..him or his Gestapo arse Goosestepping wife....I almost move to New York just so I could vote NO for her arse!!!

Oh, and the only reason White Liberals support affirmative action is because they happend to be Married to the Very Same white women that friends of mine compete against for minority contracts here in Jackson and other places, Oh and get this they get beat out cuz they are always privy to inside information so they can UNDERBID.

And damn Strom Thurman....I don't trust any politician form South Carolina, Dem or Rep....they were the first to seceed from the Union and if you look in their history books the Civil War is refferred to as the "War of Northern Agression"...they don't even teach that BS here in Mississippi....
Talk to me about J.C. Watts, Steve Largent, Thad Cochoran,Trent Lott, Roger Wicker and Chip Pickering.......Some folks I met and talked to about what the state of Black America can be....

BTW, what about Al Gore's racist arse father that voted against Civil Rights Legislation...Like father like son right !!!

And I guess you are right EB, Pres. Bush's Cabinet does not look like America because he has too many African American sand other Minorities on it......We are only 12% so I guess he needs to cut a few in order to properly reflect America.

But again, this will all be dismissed as Propaganda....Liberals you have the entire weekend to research and try to refute what I have said thus far.

And as I have said before.....
A Young Man that is not Liberal has no Heart !!!!
A Mature Man that is not Conservative has no Brain !!!!
- Winston Churchill
I prefer Brains...

 

[D Tiger]

Just my 2 cents but consider these facts:

1. Most Black leadership wanted Maynard Jackson to be the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Bill Clinton chose Terry McAuliffe instead. (A white dude)

2. The highest elected black official in the US is Joe Rogers of Colorado who was elected as Lt. Governor. (Republican)

3. Al Gore's dad, Al Gore, Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

4. When Al Gore ran for president in 2000, he specifically ordered that no black secret service agents be assigned to him or his family.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by D Tiger
Just my 2 cents but consider these facts:

1. Most Black leadership wanted Maynard Jackson to be the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Bill Clinton chose Terry McAuliffe instead. (A white dude)

2. The highest elected black official in the US is Joe Rogers of Colorado who was elected as Lt. Governor. (Republican)

3. Al Gore's dad, Al Gore, Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

4. When Al Gore ran for president in 2000, he specifically ordered that no black secret service agents be assigned to him or his family.

And some people wonder why I raise so much "L". What I don't understand is that we as a people give ourselves damn near wholeheartedly to a party that continues to take us for granted. I just dont understand why Black people continue to do this. African Americans by far are the most loyal to the Dem Party. The NAACP has basically whored itself out to the Dem Party and serves the Liberal agenda. Would'nt it make more sense for us to have equal representation in both parties to ensure our needs are addressed ?

 

[EB]

I will not defend Al Gore, Sr's. vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But I did read about his vote. As I understand it he was against the provision that denied federal funds to everyone when there was discrimination, a provision that was though of by Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. during the '50s. In other words if people were in need they should have the necessary funds regardless in his opinion. Now, do not get me wrong. I am not crazy. I thought that Gore, Sr. was wrong for that vote. I do believe that if there is discrimination then there should be a denial of federal funds to a school, state, city, etc.

However, in defense of Al Gore, Sr., he did not sign the Southern Manifesto that was created after the '54 Brown vs. Board of Education decision. He supported every other civil rights legistlation including the Civil Rights Act of 1965, the Voting Right Act. He was a victim to the Nixon's Southern Strategy, which some have called a White backlash against the civil rights movement. One of the things that help Gore to lose in 1970 was his support of civil rights. I am not hear to excuse his vote on the '64 Civil Rights bill. He does not deserve it. But I thought I would share some more info on him.

If I heard it correctly, the senior George Bush was not for the 1964 Civil Rights Act. I will have to check on that. But I do remember how hostile he and his immediate predecessor, Ronald Reagan, were to civil rights' enforcement. A lot of the people (cabinet heads and bureaucrats) that they appointed were very far to the right in their policies. The junior George Bush is in my opinion just as bad in his appointments-especially when it comes to the federal bench. His use of the death penalty in Texas even had critics in the ABA. Let's not try to tell lies and cast a halo over George W. Bush. He does not deserve it. Remember Election 2000? This administration's policies go so far to the right.

I can't speak for Al Gore's choice of secret service agents. But I am not hear to say that the democrats of today are innocent. Look at the mayor's race in New York City this year. Some dems got caught. I remember Ed Koch and was not a fan of his. There are a whole host of dems I do not like. But I also remember how abrasive Guiliani was during his reign-especially on the issue of Amadoo Diallo. Let's not forget that Barry Goldwater, the republican presidential candidate, was againist the 1964 Civil Rights Act and lost. However, some have said that Goldwater lost the election of 1964 but won it in 1980. BTW I for one felt that Ralph Nader had a right to run for president last year.

But if republican's want the Black vote, they will have to change their image, policies and rhetoric. Some will not like this. But a lot of Black republicans will have to stop opposing policies (affirmative action, financial aid, and the rest) that helped them move up the economic ladder. The civil rights laws are not the enemy of the United States.

 

[mighty hornet]

Makaho,

It's obvious you have a kind of personal vendetta against Clinton and the Dem Party. Blaming him for the incarceration rate amongst African Americans., wanting to move to NY to vote no to Hillary (dang, did she actually win by one vote?), even talking about Gore's father supported. How many Congressmen's fathers initially supported civil rights legislation? To single out Gore is absolutely crazy.

And if you're inclined to believe that the Republican Party has a better record than the Democratic Party as far as advancing equal rights for us, then you are indeed misguided.

lmao@you saying that Trent Lott knows what black America can be.
What about the other Republicans like Jesse Helms, Bob Barr can they tell me to?????

Your comments about South Carolina? Interesting
Your comments about affirmative action? Interesting

You seem so hellbent on labels.-- Republican vs Democrat, liberal vs conservative.

I like to think that I'm intelligent enough to make my own decisions and not affix a label to myself and allow others to define me.


Maybe, just maybe, Makaho, if you stop, shred the labels and look at the issues objectively you just might see that the Republican Party aint right about everything and the Democratic Party aint wrong about everything.

 

[jelli]

Re: Uhh, look back abuot 10 posts

Originally posted by Makaho Bedrock
Mighty Hornet,

What do you call welfare and federal revenue sharing programs. All welfare does is make people dependent and not seek the initiative to do better. BTW most people on Welfare in this country are 2nd to third generation recepients. Oh, and most of these people are White too. So If that's not a permanent underclass I don't know what is.

What do you call Colin Powell being the Sec. of State....that is the Highest level position a black man has ever had in this country.
Rod Paige, Sec. of Education (JSU Grad and former JSU coach).
Condaleeza Rice....National Security Advisor....a black woman is informing the Pres. of the United States on matters of security.
(As I stated before, Bill Clinton had appointed African Americans to high level positions but no where near as high as this current administration's.....Sec. of Agriculture Mike Espy....he was forced to resign, Sec. of Commerce Ron Brown...he died mysteriously in a plane crash....govt. planes don't have maint. problems and go down.....Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders....also forced to resign)

And I am a Conservative...but, I aint no fool either....Hell yeah, I support affirmative action to a certain degree cuz I benefited from it at one point or time before I became self-employed. But I see too many problems on a national level to support the Dem party.

You wanna talk generalities......
Liberals support abortion.....I know the majority of blacks do not because we don't run down to the clinic to abort our children just to save the family some embarassment like white liberal families do. That whole thing about believing in GOD and thou shalt not kill stops a lot of us from going (But we holla we Democrat).

Liberals support same sex marriages and Homosexuality...Come on you know that kind of ISHT is taboo in a lot of our families...Don't let um come to your church hugged up either...they will get run (But we holla we Democrat).

Liberals support gun control.....Come on you and I well know if JuneBug or Billy Ray is gonna rob somebody..he aint gonna fill out no Brady Bill form to get his gun. But all those rich liberals like Rosie O'donnell and even some of my Rich Arse Trial Attorney friends here live in gated communities with a guy with guess what. "A GUN" determining whether or not I can get in (But we holla we Democrat).

I could go on and on, but Im not gonna convince any naysayers otherwise...I just wanted to start the discussion. If facts and history can't convince you then how am I.

What's so scary about this whole thing is that we as a people have the lowest voting percentage in this country (less than 30%) and we complain the most. Based on the law of probability 30% of the people in this forum that have blasted me vote themselves.

And Schit stanks no matter what politician launches it...It's just if you support the other party you think that their party's Schit is more putrid.....but, it's Schit nonetheless.

This posts was full of generalities...how do you know majority of black folks don't support abortions? I'm quite sure you can ask any black person if they know of someone who had an abortion or paid for one and they will tell you yeah. Now back on in the day this would not have happend.

And you know some blacks churchs have gay folks up there directing the chior.... so your second point is mute. Gun control is crap legislation anyway because until you stop the DEA agents from accepting the payoffs to allow the guns in this country then June Bug will always be able to buy one form Ray Ray on the street.

But you have yet to show me anything that the republican party has done to help the advancement of not only Blacks but minorities in general.

I say this in an earlier post...why label yourself Rebulican or Democrat. Why not just weigh the issues and vote for the best candidate. No politcal party is going to have all the issues you agree with.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by EB
BTW I for one felt that Ralph Nader had a right to run for president last year.

But if republican's want the Black vote, they will have to change their image, policies and rhetoric. Some will not like this. But a lot of Black republicans will have to stop opposing policies (affirmative action, financial aid, and the rest) that helped them move up the economic ladder. The civil rights laws are not the enemy of the United States.

It's funny you mentioned Ralph Nader...Him running made things very interesting. I have always been in favor of a multiple party system....competetion always benefits the consumer.

But the sad thing about Black votes is that Republican's don't need us to win. WE are 12% of the population, 25% of that votes so we have a whopping voting populace of 3% nationally.:bawling: That is pathetic...if you put it in Basketball terms we are self-check. And as far as image, policies, and rhetoric are concerned just look at where the Dem Party has the most loyal Black Voting base. 54% of the 12% black population lives in the south..so the conerted efforts of the Dem party is towards getting regional and state wide support from us for their candidates. These southern states for the most part have several things in common....High teen pregnancy rates, High Poverty levels, Greater Drop-out rates of High School students, High unemployment rates....and guess what else they share, the Highest concentration of Democratic Politicians and Voters.
I said all that to say that look at how they reward the most loyal support base...White Liberals are more likely to shift and vote conservative, but not Blacks. I know this because I was once a "Yellow Dog Democrat" about 6 years ago, that did the same thing till I got wise and researched both parties. Why continue to be loyal to a party that does you that way...the Jews aint still loyay to the Nazi's.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
Makaho,

It's obvious you have a kind of personal vendetta against Clinton and the Dem Party. Blaming him for the incarceration rate amongst African Americans., wanting to move to NY to vote no to Hillary (dang, did she actually win by one vote?), even talking about Gore's father supported. How many Congressmen's fathers initially supported civil rights legislation? To single out Gore is absolutely crazy.

And if you're inclined to believe that the Republican Party has a better record than the Democratic Party as far as advancing equal rights for us, then you are indeed misguided.

lmao@you saying that Trent Lott knows what black America can be.
What about the other Republicans like Jesse Helms, Bob Barr can they tell me to?????

Your comments about South Carolina? Interesting
Your comments about affirmative action? Interesting

You seem so hellbent on labels.-- Republican vs Democrat, liberal vs conservative.

I like to think that I'm intelligent enough to make my own decisions and not affix a label to myself and allow others to define me.


Maybe, just maybe, Makaho, if you stop, shred the labels and look at the issues objectively you just might see that the Republican Party aint right about everything and the Democratic Party aint wrong about everything.

Well Mighty Hornet you got me pegged !!! I do have a vendetta against Clinton. Because guess what, I voted for him. So that gives me the right to critique him. I voted for him when he ran against Bob Dole, cuz quite frankly I thought Bob Dole was too damn old !!! So I exercised my constitutional right to talk about someone that basically took my vote and discrased it.

BTW, I used to be a Captain in the Army...I learned that you also take responsibility, an Oath and the institution of the Highest level in this country very seriously. I also learned that if the soldiers under my command did poorly I took the blame just the same as if they did outstanding. Which is why I brought up the incerceration rate...it was on his watch !!!
BTW, I happend to be stationed in Khobar Towers when a fuel truck carrying explosives blew up the building that I lived 200meters away from killing 17 U.S. servicemen and injuring over 200....it was on his watch !!!

By the way, it only takes one vote to win an election...Kennedy won by an average of one vote per precint when he was elected President. And based our voting percentages one vote is important, Im sorry your scope is so limited.

And you can laugh all you want about me talking to Trent Lott about what the Rep Party can do for black america....that man is one of the most powerful men in Washington, and for him to even engage in the conversation with ME I consider an honor...BTW, when was the last time Ted Daschale talked to you, yeah, I thought so. BTW this conversation occurred after we just worked for 4 hours straight on a Habitat for Humanity house (occupied by a black family) in MidTown Jackson,MS.....Look, through the archives at the Clarion-Ledger..(Im sure you have looked there for Smackboard fodder), Im the one in the pic with the Neely for Mayor T-Shirt on.
And again, we aint but 12% of the population cuz, You think we gonna get it done on our own? We can't even control the content on BET, so how we gonna usurp the masses and take over and get our 40 acres and a mule?
We can't even get over 30% of our own population to the polls to vote on issues affecting us.
Again, I am sorry your scope is so limited.

And mabye if you took the time to see or write Jesse Helms or Bob Barr they might be able to answer your questions, I don't know what they would tell you.

And I do look at the issues carefully and objectively. You mentioned something in an earlier post about Rose Colored Glasses....What color are yours?

I have no problem with someone who generally believes in the Democratic party and Liberalism. But I hate it when somebody is way more Conservative than I could ever be and holler they are Democrat.

 

[Makaho Bedrock]

Re: Re: Uhh, look back abuot 10 posts

Originally posted by jelli


This posts was full of generalities...how do you know majority of black folks don't support abortions? I'm quite sure you can ask any black person if they know of someone who had an abortion or paid for one and they will tell you yeah. Now back on in the day this would not have happend.

And you know some blacks churchs have gay folks up there directing the chior.... so your second point is mute. Gun control is crap legislation anyway because until you stop the DEA agents from accepting the payoffs to allow the guns in this country then June Bug will always be able to buy one form Ray Ray on the street.

But you have yet to show me anything that the republican party has done to help the advancement of not only Blacks but minorities in general.

I say this in an earlier post...why label yourself Rebulican or Democrat. Why not just weigh the issues and vote for the best candidate. No politcal party is going to have all the issues you agree with.

Umm, lets see Jelli...I can base our extremely high level of teenage pregnancy( highest in the nation) as fact that we don't abort as many babies as whites do.
I can base our exremely high level of unwed mothers (highest in the nation) as fact that we don't haul off our daughters to abortion clinics to save the family some embarassment like white families do.
Oh and don't make an argument as Money being a reason why we don't do it.....I dont know what the going rate on an abortion is, but Im sure it is inordinately lower than OB/GYN fees to doctors and Similac, and clothes, and childcare, and a myriad of other things that come to mind. But, oh wait the Democratic party is gonna pay for all that hunh?

Oh yeah, Bobby the choir director might be Gay....but he does'nt profess it now does it. Cuz guess what, last weeks sermon was about Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. And if him and Twan come switching down the aisle in hand in hand like man and wife then they get run...and don't sit here say they won't, Unless it's the Church of the Poisoned Mind. So it's not Mute, it's wrong if you gonna be in church calling yourself a Christian and living that way...Uhh, aint that somewhere in da bible bout man shall not lay with mar or sumtin like dat. But if you are a Pagan then it's all good. So choose a dayumm team and play for it.

JuneBug and Ray Ray get guns illegally because they are criminals and need them in order to facilitate their lifestyle. It's hard as hell to rob a bank with a brick. And gun control is just what it is "CONTROL", which is why Slaves could'nt own them. Ask Nat Turner about gun control and see what he would have thought...Ask the Jews about gun control during the rise of the third reich....yeah, they might have died but they would have took a lot of Nazis with them instead of being herded off like lambs to slaugher. BTW, the gestapo took away the citizens guns before they started sending people to concentration camps.

And again you answer my question with a question...read the entire thread...Im tired of typing examples. But, you are just gonna say they are generalities. By the way, you could at least give me some generalites about what the Democratic party has done for minorities. Uhh, and FoodStamps don't count, more white people get them than minorities.

And the reason why people label themselves is for a "point of reference"...If I or an official has a D or an R by their name it gives voters an idea of what their candidate's platform is based on so you do need labels in that regard. And I always vote for the best candidate.. as a matter of fact on a local level I vote Democrat more often, cuz most of the blacks that run on a local level I know personally. Nationally and at the State level I almost always vote conservative...on the Municipal level, parties don't factor in...I have never seen a Republican or a Democratic "Pothole".

Again, Im not gonna convince you otherwise, I just wanted to start the discussion.
Mabye, I should go back to talking bout PUDDIN.