Black Athletes, White Schools...
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Lewis
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You answered your own comment when you said u know its not true. Those athletes that take the free ride know exactly what they are doing. They have the choice to do it right but choose not to. So don't blame the PWC. They do that isht at HBCU's just the same. Everyone in life has times where they can choose to take the short cut.
FAMU CLIFF
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It seems as if EVERY other group in this county takes the attitude of building up their own institutions and community but once WE have an opportunity, we feel as if the community from which we came is not adequate.
Carter G. Woodson, send help.
Carter G. Woodson, send help.
northern tiger
Active Member
That's my point exactly. When I deal with different nationalities, it's about their race. Us, shoot we act like we're not black around others even though it's written all over our face.
I agree. We wonder sometimes why the others schools are winning championships.
I'm not blaming the PWC. If you have an opportunity at success and don't take advantage of it then it's on that individual.
But sometimes people don't think that way.
Jafus (Thinker)
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http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/01/19/the-greatest-african-american/?ncid=NWS00010000000001
... DuBois, a distinguished scholar and co-founder of the civil rights organization NAACP, argued that blacks in America face one big problem, and it is racism. Washington, who was born a slave but went on to become head of the Tuskegee Institute, countered that blacks face two big problems. One is racism, he conceded. The other, he said, is African American cultural disadvantage. Washington contended that black crime rates were too high, black savings rates were too low, there were too many broken families, blacks did not have enough respect for educational achievement, and so on.
DuBois insisted that these problems, if they existed, were due to the legacy of slavery and racism. Washington did not entirely disagree, but he insisted that, whatever their source, these cultural problems demanded attention. What is the point of having rights, Washington said, without the ability to exercise those rights and compete effectively with other groups? To put the matter in contemporary terms, there is little benefit in having a right to a job at Microsoft if you don't have the skills to get and perform the job. Washington further implied that if these cultural deficiencies were not remedied, they would help to strengthen racism by giving it an empirical foundation.
The civil rights movement, led by the NAACP and later Martin Luther King, fought for decades to implement the DuBois program and secure basic rights for black Americans. This was a necessary campaign, and ultimately it was successful. The laws were changed, and blacks achieved their goal of legal equality and full citizenship. Other minorities (and I count myself in this group) also benefited from the doors that King and his fellow activists opened. Obviously issues of enforcement remain, but by the late 1960s the early civil rights agenda represented by DuBois and King had been largely achieved. At this crucial juncture, the civil rights movement should have moved to embrace the Booker T. Washington agenda.
Unfortunately this didn't happen. It still hasn't happened. Even today Jesse Jackson and the NAACP continue (in the famous words of Frederick Douglass) to "agitate, agitate, agitate" for black progress. But now there are hardly any Bull Connors and Southern segregationists to fight, and so the activists are reduced to fighting "covert racism" and "institutional racism" and "racism that has gone underground" and basically racism that is only visible to them and to no one else. Most significant, these fights do little to help the blacks who are the poorest, the group that sociologist William Julius Wilson termed "the truly disadvantaged."
Meanwhile, there is another group that is following the Booker T. Washington strategy, and that is the nonwhite immigrants. I don't just mean the Koreans and the Asian Indians; I also mean black immigrants--the West Indians, the Haitians, the Nigerians, and so on. All are darker in complexion than African Americans, and yet racism does not seem to stop them. The immigrants know that racism today is no longer systematic, it is episodic, and they are able to find ways to navigate around its obstacles. Even immigrants who start out at the very bottom have shown that they are make rapid gains. These groups are surging ahead of African Americans and claiming the American dream for themselves. West Indians, for instance, have established a strong business and professional community and have achieved income parity with whites.
How is this possible? The nonwhite immigrants don't spend a lot of time meditating about the hardships of the past, nor do they blame their circumstances on society. They recognize that education and entrepreneurship are the fastest ladders to success in America. They push their children to study, so that they will be admitted to Berkeley and MIT, and they pool their resources and set up small businesses, so that they can make some money and move to the suburbs.
Thus we find that any group trying to move up in America is confronted with two possible strategies--the DuBois strategy and the Washington strategy---and it is an empirical question as to which one works better. A century ago, when segregation was still the rule, clearly the DuBois strategy was better. In this sense, Booker T. Washington was wrong during his day. But today it's clear that the man was ahead of his time. So far the evidence is overwhelming that the immigrant approach of assimilating to the cultural strategies of success is vastly better for group uplift than the tired old strategy of "agitate, agitate, agitate." ...
... DuBois, a distinguished scholar and co-founder of the civil rights organization NAACP, argued that blacks in America face one big problem, and it is racism. Washington, who was born a slave but went on to become head of the Tuskegee Institute, countered that blacks face two big problems. One is racism, he conceded. The other, he said, is African American cultural disadvantage. Washington contended that black crime rates were too high, black savings rates were too low, there were too many broken families, blacks did not have enough respect for educational achievement, and so on.
DuBois insisted that these problems, if they existed, were due to the legacy of slavery and racism. Washington did not entirely disagree, but he insisted that, whatever their source, these cultural problems demanded attention. What is the point of having rights, Washington said, without the ability to exercise those rights and compete effectively with other groups? To put the matter in contemporary terms, there is little benefit in having a right to a job at Microsoft if you don't have the skills to get and perform the job. Washington further implied that if these cultural deficiencies were not remedied, they would help to strengthen racism by giving it an empirical foundation.
The civil rights movement, led by the NAACP and later Martin Luther King, fought for decades to implement the DuBois program and secure basic rights for black Americans. This was a necessary campaign, and ultimately it was successful. The laws were changed, and blacks achieved their goal of legal equality and full citizenship. Other minorities (and I count myself in this group) also benefited from the doors that King and his fellow activists opened. Obviously issues of enforcement remain, but by the late 1960s the early civil rights agenda represented by DuBois and King had been largely achieved. At this crucial juncture, the civil rights movement should have moved to embrace the Booker T. Washington agenda.
Unfortunately this didn't happen. It still hasn't happened. Even today Jesse Jackson and the NAACP continue (in the famous words of Frederick Douglass) to "agitate, agitate, agitate" for black progress. But now there are hardly any Bull Connors and Southern segregationists to fight, and so the activists are reduced to fighting "covert racism" and "institutional racism" and "racism that has gone underground" and basically racism that is only visible to them and to no one else. Most significant, these fights do little to help the blacks who are the poorest, the group that sociologist William Julius Wilson termed "the truly disadvantaged."
Meanwhile, there is another group that is following the Booker T. Washington strategy, and that is the nonwhite immigrants. I don't just mean the Koreans and the Asian Indians; I also mean black immigrants--the West Indians, the Haitians, the Nigerians, and so on. All are darker in complexion than African Americans, and yet racism does not seem to stop them. The immigrants know that racism today is no longer systematic, it is episodic, and they are able to find ways to navigate around its obstacles. Even immigrants who start out at the very bottom have shown that they are make rapid gains. These groups are surging ahead of African Americans and claiming the American dream for themselves. West Indians, for instance, have established a strong business and professional community and have achieved income parity with whites.
How is this possible? The nonwhite immigrants don't spend a lot of time meditating about the hardships of the past, nor do they blame their circumstances on society. They recognize that education and entrepreneurship are the fastest ladders to success in America. They push their children to study, so that they will be admitted to Berkeley and MIT, and they pool their resources and set up small businesses, so that they can make some money and move to the suburbs.
Thus we find that any group trying to move up in America is confronted with two possible strategies--the DuBois strategy and the Washington strategy---and it is an empirical question as to which one works better. A century ago, when segregation was still the rule, clearly the DuBois strategy was better. In this sense, Booker T. Washington was wrong during his day. But today it's clear that the man was ahead of his time. So far the evidence is overwhelming that the immigrant approach of assimilating to the cultural strategies of success is vastly better for group uplift than the tired old strategy of "agitate, agitate, agitate." ...
As a person who strongly believe in collective Black self help, I have a problem with anything that Dinesh D'Souza writes. He acts like an expert on Black causes but is not. I find his work misleading at best.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
technically, PWCs are indeed pimping us...if we could not run the ball, would they even let us in for free with marginal grades? They see it like this....let us in with relaxed standards, we make our $17 million from the BCS...a few may make it to the NFL and give back but our longterm boosters will still contribute...
HBCUs take one and take all...a few have admission standards on the public level but those standards are not as crazy....brothas would be here with or without a scholarship when its all said and done....
the LSU's of the world have enough hired help to where you don't have to overthink.....you see why those folks don't leave their jobs
HBCUs take one and take all...a few have admission standards on the public level but those standards are not as crazy....brothas would be here with or without a scholarship when its all said and done....
the LSU's of the world have enough hired help to where you don't have to overthink.....you see why those folks don't leave their jobs
WONDERFUL COMMENT, EXACTLY ON POINT ! THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE WILL NEVER PROGRESS BECAUSE OF A LACK OF UNITY. OTHER RACES STICK TOGETHER BUT OUR PEOPLE WON'T. EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE MISEDUCATION OF THE NEGRO, BY WOODSON. :nod::nod::nod::clap::lecture:
TRUE TO THE BONE ! ARE WE RELATED !:bowdown::bowdown::nod::clap::clap:
Blankman2k5
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I feel that as long as you further your education then it doesn't matter where you go, as long as they offer a degree in your major. Also, some black athletes use their athletic talent to fund their education.
Dr H..
Active Member
I don't understand why "some" blacks are so concerned about black are so concerned about what's happening on a PWC campus. They shoule re-focus that same energy toward their own campus.
I really could care less about what's happening at other HBCU's - my main concern should be and it is improving TSU.
I really could care less about what's happening at other HBCU's - my main concern should be and it is improving TSU.
Da_Sperm
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How many athletes, who have marginal grades, that play for GSU or SU get any money off the BC? Are they being PIMPED?
TBF, the game (not football game) is played by everybody, not just PWC.
FAMU CLIFF
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The difference is, GSU and SU would welcome many of these young men with open arms whether they played ball or not. If not for football, how many of these guys would be at these other schools. We tell our schools to educate the masses of young Blacks, but we will send our children with particular talents (sports, academics, arts etc) to the highest bidder instead of building the capacity of our own schools.
JR
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Actually that is not true. Now that SU doesn't have an open Admissions policy. We don't just open the door to everybody anymore. One of the reasons that BRCC was established and is overun with students. How many of these prop kids would have actually enrolled at SU as a regular student if were not for football. One of the reasons SU band even before Katrina was not filled with New Orleans kids like it was when I was there and in the early 90s. Alot of my fellow Jukes back in the day would have not been able to get admitted to SU with today's standard. You got to cut the mustard to roll on to the bluff now as a regular student. So the ball players still get special treatment at our schools.
Lewis
Peabody Warhorses
That is a bunch of BULLSH*T. That is what keep our people down. When those Indian, Chinese, Iraq students come they will cross an ocean to get to the best school irregarless of who runs them. They will pay out thier pocket to come, and they ain't gonna give a damn about who like them or who don't or why. They cousins could have just dropped a damn bomb on the twin towers and white folks ready to kill everyone that looks just a little like them, they ain't gonna care, they are gonna still be there doing there work instead of making a bunch of damn excuses because everyone (white folks) ain't kissing them in the mouth.
Now after all of this, some sorry arse negro gonna come behind this and try to invent some reason to blame someone else for why we still go screw this stuff up.
FAMU CLIFF
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Come on JR. Stop B.S.ing. FAMU has pretty high admission standards compared to other public HBCUs, but we still catch hell from the state of FL, for allowing admission to borderline and underline students who would be at junior college if not for FAMU. You know damn well that EVERY HBCU outside of Morehouse, Spellman and Howard has students who would not be accepted at the majority of their state schools. FAMU offers more remedial sections than ANY three other public schools in the state combined. NONE of these students can have a home at UF, FSU, West FL, USF, Central FL etc. And we were still doing this while topping the country in National Achievement Scholars, using our historical mission as a cover.
If not for top grades, athletic skills, talents in the arts or other VERY specific skill sets, the majority of these students would not be at these PWCs.
FAMU CLIFF
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Didn't get the full meaning of what you are saying, but these people to whom you are referring dont have their own educational institutions, so they get down where ever they can, but by the same token, they take their skill sets back to their own country and build their infrastructure. It is amazing how India and Japan have come up. Many of the leaders in foreign countries and foreign corporations were educated in the U.S. and G.B. The comparable analysis would be Blacks who use the good incomes they receive from their corporate jobs to support Black owned businesses and purchase homes and build up strong Black communities.
No minority community has every resource they need, but the true measure of where they are going is when they have to go outside of their community for those resources, do they return the fruits of those resources to their home community.
FAMU CLIFF
New Member
Exactly
JR
Well-Known Member
I am sure we do allow for some of it. But not like it used to be. At one time I thought we raised our admission standards to be like LSU and we saw a drop in enrollment because of it. What I am saying is still we do allow for some discretion with the athletes more than we do with regular students. Believe me, we had one from Houston when I was one the VPs of the alumni chapter. He probably wouldn't have been at SU without football. Prop kid with grades that were not all that. Big Thunder will tell you it aint easy for these kids to get into SU like it was for us. He has 2 sons there.
Bane
The Vilian
^^^ Great post. For example, all of the Asians I work with only buy/drive Asian made cars (Toyota, Honda, etc). These folks drive 20+ miles out of the way just to go to an Asian grocery store. Now, most of the local grocery stores carry a lot of Asian brand foods.
Lewis
Peabody Warhorses
This thread is about the schools, not what happens after you are done with school (good point however). These folks do have their own schools in thier own countries, but since PWC are better in most case they cross an ocean to get to them and take advange of everything when they get there. All we gotta do is cross town.
FAMU CLIFF
New Member
Styles:
I know for a fact that the Asians in St. Louis have a co-op for all these corner Chinese restaurants and even the larger ones that buy huge sacks of rice and other items in bulk to keep costs down. They also have starter stores where they bring in immigrant families to teach them how to run a business. See, their goal for their kids is to get professional degrees, not to pass down the corner store, so they bring in new families to train. They also finance each other's businesses.
Can you imagine them if they had their own colleges, sending their best students to Stanford still in en mass?
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