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Barry Bonds hit career homerun 755 to left field off San Diego Padres starter Clay Hensley at Petco Park Saturday night.
 
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Yeah, Congrats to Barry Bonds!

Now, here are two things that burned me up.

1. Bud's reaction - why did he even show up?...:kaioken:

2. Dude that caught the ball - he was sitting with the group that had the asterisk signs; if they despise Bonds so much, why not throw the ball back?...:kaioken:
 
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Big Thunder said:
Yeah, Congrats to Barry Bonds!

Now, here are two things that burned me up.

1. Bud's reaction - why did he even show up?...:kaioken:

2. Dude that caught the ball - he was sitting with the group that had the asterisk signs; if they despise Bonds so much, why not throw the ball back?...:kaioken:
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1. Hey, at least Selig was there. Bowie Kuhn was not even there when Hank Aaron hit 715. Kuhn was at a Cleveland Indians fan club meeting.
But Bud has been acting like C. Montgomery Burns over having to follow Bonds around.

2. Just cause dude was sitting with a group of morons does not mean he was part of the group...But you never know...Would you throw back $500,000 or a cool million?
 
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This is what pisses me off about Aaron. His grumpy old ass should be the main one there cheering on Bonds. Bonds is going through some of the same kinda hatred and crap he went through when he was pursuing the record. This whole steroid debacle got started cause they wanted to discredit Bonds from breaking Ruths record.

Aarons grumpy old ass fell for it.
 
You can't compare Aaron and Bonds in terms of how they were treated by the general public.

1. People hated Aaron because he was a black man breaking a white man's record.

2. People dislike Bonds because he used performance enhancing drugs, and he is a very surly character.

But Selig should have at least clapped or smiled.
 
Expressing disdain for Hank Aaron lessens the defense of those that support BONDS and feel that he is not being treated fairly.:lecture:
 
kendrick said:
You can't compare Aaron and Bonds in terms of how they were treated by the general public.

1. People hated Aaron because he was a black man breaking a white man's record.

2. People dislike Bonds because he used performance enhancing drugs, and he is a very surly character.
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Boy please tell me you are not actually believing that?
 
Mr. SWAC said:
Boy please tell me you are not actually believing that?
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Yes. Do you actually believe that the fans and media are so harsh on Bonds because he his black and not because of the suspicion of steriods?

I don't think the fans are hold up signs with asterisks on them and throwing needles on the field because he is black. I don't think the media is distaining this record because Bonds is black.

Some of them hate him because he has had the reputation of being surly with press. I'm not saying that's a good reason to distain Bonds' accomplishments, but that is a major reason more than the color of his skin.

What sense does it make for the 'white media" to defend Aaron over Bonds if they don't like Bonds because he is black?
 
If I was bud, I'd just tell it like it is. First, I, Bud, was asleep at the wheel when steroids really took off in baseball. That's my fault. As for Barry, it really bites when cheaters get ahead in the world. Barrys name maybe in the record book as the all time homerun leader, but as far as I'm concerned the champion for all ages in henry aaron.

don't talk about the other people suspected of using steroids and how they got off. "when I ask you about you, don't tell me about jimmy!" If Barry were white, yall would have no love for him and admit he's a cheater and a phoney. And if that's not the case why do u still talk about mark mcguire, who wasn't involved in a criminal investigation? He was great b/f he took roids but let his ego get the best of him, lost any intergrity he had as it relates to baseball, and cheated.

As for what u think hank aaron owes barry bonds, i'll only give u this. hank owes barry a congrats and a pat on the back only if barry owed hank the courtesy of playing the game with integrity and within the rules.
 
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Big Thunder said:
2. Dude that caught the ball - he was sitting with the group that had the asterisk signs; if they despise Bonds so much, why not throw the ball back?...:kaioken:
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Because that ball is worth tens of thousands of dollars, LOL!!
 



Something Hall of Famer Joe Morgan said last week makes alot of sense to me. He said alot of folks that are jumping on the Aaron bandwagon and lauding him for what he went through are just doing it because they don't like Barry, not because they REALLY like Aaron. He was like all the years Aaron played and for how long he had the record, they should have BEEN acknowledging Aaron for his struggle, instead of doing it now to pit him against Bonds because Bonds doesn't have a friendly relationship with them.
 
Well to Barry Bonds' credit, he has never gotten into any negativity about Hank Aaron. Bonds does not need Aaron's support to validate what he is accomplishing now. Like Barry often tells the media, "I am a GROWN AZZ MAN!"
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
Something Hall of Famer Joe Morgan said last week makes alot of sense to me. He said alot of folks that are jumping on the Aaron bandwagon and lauding him for what he went through are just doing it because they don't like Barry, not because they REALLY like Aaron. He was like all the years Aaron played and for how long he had the record, they should have BEEN acknowledging Aaron for his struggle, instead of doing it now to pit him against Bonds because Bonds doesn't have a friendly relationship with them.
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Exactly!!!! Until now people acted more excited about The Babe's 714 than Aaron's 755. I don't care what anybody says until I see proof that Barry used steroids. SHOW ME FACTS!!!! Then and only then would I say Barry is a cheater and the records are tainted but until then don't falsely accuse somebody of something just because THE MEDIA (hungry for a story) has beat it into your head.
 
major095 said:
If I was bud, I'd just tell it like it is. First, I, Bud, was asleep at the wheel when steroids really took off in baseball. That's my fault. As for Barry, it really bites when cheaters get ahead in the world. Barrys name maybe in the record book as the all time homerun leader, but as far as I'm concerned the champion for all ages in henry aaron.

don't talk about the other people suspected of using steroids and how they got off. "when I ask you about you, don't tell me about jimmy!" If Barry were white, yall would have no love for him and admit he's a cheater and a phoney. And if that's not the case why do u still talk about mark mcguire, who wasn't involved in a criminal investigation? He was great b/f he took roids but let his ego get the best of him, lost any intergrity he had as it relates to baseball, and cheated.

As for what u think hank aaron owes barry bonds, i'll only give u this. hank owes barry a congrats and a pat on the back only if barry owed hank the courtesy of playing the game with integrity and within the rules.
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Wheres your proof that Barry cheated??? Please share it with me so I'll be enlightened. He's never failed a test, his trainers denied giving him anything (and yet they gave up a whole slew of other professional athletes). I don't wanna hear what you "THINK" happened. We know Palmero used, we know Mcgwire used, we know Canseco used, but we don't know if Sammy used steroids and we don't know if Bonds used. Point blank......if you tell me anything else then you're assuming.
 
PsychoJag said:
Wheres your proof that Barry cheated??? Please share it with me so I'll be enlightened. He's never failed a test, his trainers denied giving him anything (and yet they gave up a whole slew of other professional athletes). I don't wanna hear what you "THINK" happened. We know Palmero used, we know Mcgwire used, we know Canseco used, but we don't know if Sammy used steroids and we don't know if Bonds used. Point blank......if you tell me anything else then you're assuming.
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When is more important than whether he used steroids. Until 2002, there was no major league policy against steroids OR juiced baseballs.
Maybe the ball he hit outta the park yesterday was juiced. Does that ball need to be checked?
Maybe the major leagues needs to be investigated for intentionally juicing the balls.
 
JayRob said:
When is more important than whether he used steroids. Until 2002, there was no major league policy against steroids OR juiced baseballs.
Maybe the ball he hit outta the park yesterday was juiced. Does that ball need to be checked?
Maybe the major leagues needs to be investigated for intentionally juicing the balls.
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The thing that cracks me up though is the fact that baseball has been tainted since the 1900's. These people are trying to act like baseball is a noble sport.....bullshat.
 
JayRob said:
When is more important than whether he used steroids. Until 2002, there was no major league policy against steroids OR juiced baseballs.
Maybe the ball he hit outta the park yesterday was juiced. Does that ball need to be checked?
Maybe the major leagues needs to be investigated for intentionally juicing the balls.
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1. No such thing as a "juiced ball." The baseballs were wound up more tighter which made the ball harder, and the seams on the ball lowered which made it difficult for pitchers to grip. Basically, the hitters were swatting large golf balls. The teams don't handle the balls during the games. The umpires inspect and rub up about 70 dozen ball a game. If the ball were juiced are altered, MLB would have to investigate itself and whoever does the maufacturing.

2. I really don't care that Barry Bonds cheated because there were a bunch of other guys that cheated, too. What I am disappointed in is that Bonds cheated and he has yet to admit it. " I took the "Cream," but I thought it was Flaxseed oil for my knee. I did not know what it was." LOL. Can he read? Did he not care what he was putting into his body?

3. McGwire never admitted he cheated. Fans only assume he did because he did not say so in front of Congress. But we all know he did. Same with Sosa, too. "Habla no English."

4. Baseball did not start testing for drugs until 2003 as part of a survey. Then it was found that 5 percent of players were on the stuff. 2004 that's when the official testing began.

5. Baseball does not do IOC-style blood testing because the players' union will not go for that. Why? too much money at stake.

6. MLB does not test for HGH(which could be a contributing factor in such quick muscle growth for Bonds and others over a short period of time late in his career).
 
kendrick said:
1. No such thing as a "juiced ball." The baseballs were wound up more tighter which made the ball harder, and the seams on the ball lowered which made it difficult for pitchers to grip. Basically, the hitters were swatting large golf balls. The teams don't handle the balls during the games. The umpires inspect and rub up about 70 dozen ball a game. If the ball were juiced are altered, MLB would have to investigate itself and whoever does the maufacturing.

2. I really don't care that Barry Bonds cheated because there were a bunch of other guys that cheated, too. What I am disappointed in is that Bonds cheated and he has yet to admit it. " I took the "Cream," but I thought it was Flaxseed oil for my knee. I did not know what it was." LOL. Can he read? Did he not care what he was putting into his body?

3. McGwire never admitted he cheated. Fans only assume he did because he did not say so in front of Congress. But we all know he did. Same with Sosa, too. "Habla no English."

4. Baseball did not start testing for drugs until 2003 as part of a survey. Then it was found that 5 percent of players were on the stuff. 2004 that's when the official testing began.

5. Baseball does not do IOC-style blood testing because the players' union will not go for that. Why? too much money at stake.

6. MLB does not test for HGH(which could be a contributing factor in such quick muscle growth for Bonds and others over a short period of time late in his career).
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Now you're making up stuff. Barry said he was given rubbing balm and flaxseed oil. He did not say he didn't know what it was.

McGwire knowingly took Andro which is a steriod (look it up) after the public found out they slapped McGwire on the hand and told him not to do it anymore then it was added to the banned substance list. Canseco said that he has personally injected roids into Mcgwire.......nuff said.

And in the case of Sammy Sosa, refer to Bonds. There is no proof other than "Habla no English." Anybody who has ever heard Sosa speak before knows he doesn't speak english that good. Bringing his lawyer to speak for him was smart.
 
kendrick said:
1. No such thing as a "juiced ball." The baseballs were wound up more tighter which made the ball harder, and the seams on the ball lowered which made it difficult for pitchers to grip. Basically, the hitters were swatting large golf balls. The teams don't handle the balls during the games. The umpires inspect and rub up about 70 dozen ball a game. If the ball were juiced are altered, MLB would have to investigate itself and whoever does the maufacturing.


6. MLB does not test for HGH(which could be a contributing factor in such quick muscle growth for Bonds and others over a short period of time late in his career).
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1. OK...what you described up there about the ball equates to "juicing" the ball. It is no different than the NFL changing contact rules to promote scoring, or the NBA taking away hand-checking.

6. Did Barry have really quick muscle growth to the level of it not being naturally possible?
 
PsychoJag said:
Now you're making up stuff. Barry said he was given rubbing balm and flaxseed oil. He did not say he didn't know what it was.

McGwire knowingly took Andro which is a steriod (look it up) after the public found out they slapped McGwire on the hand and told him not to do it anymore then it was added to the banned substance list. Canseco said that he has personally injected roids into Mcgwire.......nuff said.

And in the case of Sammy Sosa, refer to Bonds. There is no proof other than "Habla no English." Anybody who has ever heard Sosa speak before knows he doesn't speak english that good. Bringing his lawyer to speak for him was smart.
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Lance Williams, Mark Fainaru-Wada, Chronicle Staff Writers
Friday, December 3, 2004

Bonds said that as far as he knew, Anderson had given him only legal products to treat the arthritis and fatigue that afflicted him, especially when playing a day game after a night game. The trainer brought the products into the Giants' clubhouse at Pac Bell Park "once a homestand," Bonds said, and that's where he used them.

"I never asked Greg" about what the products contained, Bonds testified. "When he said it was flaxseed oil, I just said, 'Whatever.'


Faced with the same warning and similar evidence, five other baseball players who were summoned to San Francisco to testify last year confessed to the grand jury that they had used performance-enhancing drugs provided by Anderson.

One week after Bonds testified, New York Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi and his brother Jeremy, both former Oakland A's, described in detail how they had injected themselves with performance-enhancing drugs. The Giambis testified they were drawn to Anderson because of Bonds' success.

Other players who admitted their use of performance-enhancing drugs were former Giants Armando Rios, Benito Santiago and Bobby Estalella. The players said they had come to know Anderson because he was Bonds' trainer.

A sixth witness, Yankees outfielder Gary Sheffield, testified that while he trained with Bonds in the Bay Area before the 2002 baseball season, Bonds had arranged for him to receive "the cream," "the clear" and "red beans," which the prosecutors identified as steroid pills manufactured in Mexico.

I've heard stories about his shoe size and head size increasing. I don't know if that's true...But you never know.

Changing the rules is different than changing the ball. The rules have more of an affect on the game than the ball does. But I would not put it past MLB for doing something like that.

McGwire did take andro, but it was not a banned substance and he admitted he took that. MLB couldn't do anything to him because it was not illegal at the time.

Sammy Sosa-- Living in Chicago I heard Sosa speak a lot. His English is by no means as good as Joe Buck, but after doing thousands of pressers and interviews on ESPN, Fox and others, you would think Sosa would be able to understand the questions and give answers. Now, if the questions surrounded some legal jargon I could understand. But when you are asked about your involvement in steriod use and you play dumb...You are hiding something.
 
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