ASU hit with 668 NCAA violations


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Da_Sperm said:
UAPB was put on a one year death penalty by the NCAA and the school administration added an additional year. UAPB cleaned HOUSE in those two years. We got rid of the entire coaching staff, band director, financial aid director, and chancellor because ALL were part of the violations. At homecoming, we had an old timers FLAG FOOTBALL game. It was UGLY my final two years in college without a football team. All of this over 92 NCAA violations.

I don't see how ASU is going to dodge 600+ violations, when UAPB went down for two years over 92 violations.
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Precisely!!!
 



mighty hornet said:
Maybe so, but in the grand scheme of things, I personally won't lose any sleep if I'm "stripped" of a title years after it has been won on the field.

btw, even though we had the best team in 01, we didnt win the SCG that year. Gram did. (to this day, I still can't believe we let that one get away :smh: )
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Come on MH you won it on the field with inelible players. We all could have done that.
 
They didn't win a SWAC title between 1999-2003 so they won't be stripped of anything there. They won in 2004.
 
Da_Sperm said:
UAPB was put on a one year death penalty by the NCAA and the school administration added an additional year. UAPB cleaned HOUSE in those two years. We got rid of the entire coaching staff, band director, financial aid director, and chancellor because ALL were part of the violations. At homecoming, we had an old timers FLAG FOOTBALL game. It was UGLY my final two years in college without a football team. All of this over 92 NCAA violations.

I don't see how ASU is going to dodge 600+ violations, when UAPB went down for two years over 92 violations.
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Please correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt UAPB a NAIA school? How could the NCAA give them the death penalty if they were a NAIA school?
 
DAHILL said:
Please correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt UAPB a NAIA school? How could the NCAA give them the death penalty if they were a NAIA school?
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Actually, I don't know WHO imposed the death penalty. I could have been somebody's uncle down the street. We didn't have a football program two years because of 92 NCAA violations.

GO FIGURE!
 
After seeing the effects the death penalty had on SMU, the NCAA is reluctant to do that to another program.
 
Robber said:
After seeing the effects the death penalty had on SMU, the NCAA is reluctant to do that to another program.
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That is totally different. SMU was a major program in a major conference. That would not have the same affect on a program like ASU. No where NEAR the same affect.
 
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Davis,+PB+businesses+lead+college's+resurgence.-a017527288

On B. Alan Sugg's first day of work as University of Arkansas System president four years ago, he was greeted with some shockingly bad news.

The National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics had begun an investigation into 50 alleged rules violations by UA-Pine Bluff's football program. These violations would result in the infamous "double death penalty" banning UAPB from football competition for two years.
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Da_Sperm said:
OK, rules broken, no matter if its NCAA or NAIA. Still a governing collegiate committee imposed the death penalty.
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I wasnt questioning what you were saying... I was asking a honest question... because the same thing came up in our private forum when a member stated that Central State was given the death penalty by the NCAA when they were a NAIA school... So I was only trying to get clarification.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Right! I wonder will the SWAC strip ASU of their 2001
title.
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Beans, ASU didn't win the SWAC in 2001.........Gram did. ASU beat us in 2004 for their SWAC title. Now the East titles I guess they can take away during their run. But what does that do. Can't replay the SCG.
 
JR said:
Beans, ASU didn't win the SWAC in 2001.........Gram did. ASU beat us in 2004 for their SWAC title. Now the East titles I guess they can take away during their run. But what does that do. Can't replay the SCG.
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I found it JR.
 
Da_Sperm said:
UAPB was put on a one year death penalty by the NCAA and the school administration added an additional year. UAPB cleaned HOUSE in those two years. We got rid of the entire coaching staff, band director, financial aid director, and chancellor because ALL were part of the violations. At homecoming, we had an old timers FLAG FOOTBALL game. It was UGLY my final two years in college without a football team. All of this over 92 NCAA violations.

I don't see how ASU is going to dodge 600+ violations, when UAPB went down for two years over 92 violations.
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I was under the impression that UAPB was put on the death penalty by the NAIA, not the NCAA. I always thought that the NCAA has only used the death penalty twice, for Kentucky basketball in the 50s for a big point shaving scandal, then at SMU when players were making more than NFL players. Still, with the NCAA now, they aren't going to level a death penalty now without something really major, even Michigan basketball didn't get the death penalty when players were getting paid by boosters in the 90s. I'm sure they'll get a harsh sentence, but no death penalty.
 
The NAIA imposed it.
That's the NCAA equal on that level so you make the call.

DAHILL said:
Please correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt UAPB a NAIA school? How could the NCAA give them the death penalty if they were a NAIA school?
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C-LeB28 said:
I was JUST about to say this DAHILL. The exact same thing!
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Da_Sperm said:
Actually, I don't know WHO imposed the death penalty. I could have been somebody's uncle down the street. We didn't have a football program two years because of 92 NCAA violations.

GO FIGURE!
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Former UAPB football coach and Athletic Director Archie ?The Gunslinger? Cooley, whose tenure at the school from 1987-90 resulted in the NAIA placing the Golden Lions on the institutional ?death penalty? for the 1991 season and eventually led to the cancellation of the 1992 season, will be inducted for his work as coach at Mississippi Valley State.

Cooley, who is currently the coach at Paul Quinn College in Texas, was the coach of the Delta Devil teams that featured National Football League Hall of Famer Jerry Rice at wide receiver and current Valley coach Willie ?Satellite? Totten at quarterback.

Cooley was discovered to have broken numerous NAIA rules while at UAPB, including using ineligible players, which resulted in the ?death penalty?, a rarely-used sanction that forces that program to shut down its operation entirely for one academic year.

The ?death penalty? has only been leveled twice by the NCAA: In 1952 when the University of Kentucky men?s basketball team was convicted of point-shaving and in 1987 when the Southern Methodist University football team was found to have paid its players
 
JR said:
Beans, ASU didn't win the SWAC in 2001.........Gram did. ASU beat us in 2004 for their SWAC title. Now the East titles I guess they can take away during their run. But what does that do. Can't replay the SCG.
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Officially (as I was told by a SWAC official years ago), the SWAC doesn't recognize divisional titles.
You win the East (or the West), you're "simply" the East (or the West) representative to the SCG.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
I was under the impression that UAPB was put on the death penalty by the NAIA, not the NCAA. I always thought that the NCAA has only used the death penalty twice, for Kentucky basketball in the 50s for a big point shaving scandal, then at SMU when players were making more than NFL players. Still, with the NCAA now, they aren't going to level a death penalty now without something really major, even Michigan basketball didn't get the death penalty when players were getting paid by boosters in the 90s. I'm sure they'll get a harsh sentence, but no death penalty.
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Tulane basketball (John "Hotrod" Williams)
 
It doesn't matter if it was the death penalty or yanking scholarship, both are equally as bad. The ongoing investigation of the Arkansas Razorback basketball program and the NCAA taking scholarships from the program brought it down to its knees, RIGHT AFTER they won the National Championship in 1994.

The death penalty is sometime BETTER than the ongoing investigation and yanking of scholarships because it steers recruits.

Just 3 years ago, the NCAA was all in the grill of the SMU mens basketball program for MONTHS. The program half the time didn't have 5 players in practice because the NCAA was questioning the players during practice time. That led to a HORRIBLE record that season and the coach resigning (brother too).

The NCAA can be like the IRS.
 
players said:
The NAIA imposed it.
That's the NCAA equal on that level so you make the call.








Former UAPB football coach and Athletic Director Archie ?The Gunslinger? Cooley, whose tenure at the school from 1987-90 resulted in the NAIA placing the Golden Lions on the institutional ?death penalty? for the 1991 season and eventually led to the cancellation of the 1992 season, will be inducted for his work as coach at Mississippi Valley State.

Cooley, who is currently the coach at Paul Quinn College in Texas, was the coach of the Delta Devil teams that featured National Football League Hall of Famer Jerry Rice at wide receiver and current Valley coach Willie ?Satellite? Totten at quarterback.

Cooley was discovered to have broken numerous NAIA rules while at UAPB, including using ineligible players, which resulted in the ?death penalty?, a rarely-used sanction that forces that program to shut down its operation entirely for one academic year.

The ?death penalty? has only been leveled twice by the NCAA: In 1952 when the University of Kentucky men?s basketball team was convicted of point-shaving and in 1987 when the Southern Methodist University football team was found to have paid its players
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I remember hearing about the PB thing with Cooley. Casem brought his buddy to SU after that as his offensive assistant in 92. Casem actually tried to sell the Board and Dr.Spikes on Cooley as his replacement as head coach. Glad she had the good sense(thanks Robber) to veto her AD in Casem and hire Pete instead. No telling where SU would be if Cooley had taken over. I remember hearing he suited up a UAPB kid that was ineligible in another jersey number to throw off people. LOL. The Gunslinger was getting low down. I guess he said Billy Joe and nem did it at Central State back in the day, then he could too.
 
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