FAMU declares itself ‘national champions’ after 9-3 season
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2021 BCSN Black College National Champion in the Division-I level is the Jackson State Tigers, coached by Deion Sanders
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The BCSN rankings begin the first week of October and at the end of the season ranks a teams entire body of work, not just their performance in one game, or their last game of the college season. It takes into consideration wins and losses, the opponents, where those wins and losses occurred, and overall strength of schedule.
Our 2021 BCSN Black College National Champion in the Division-I level is the Jackson State Tigers, coached by Deion Sanders. The Tigers finished the season with 11 wins and two losses, unbeaten in conference play (8-0) and won their first SWAC championship since 2007 over Prairie View A&M in the SWAC Championship Game. They were the only FCS HBCU team to have double-digit victories, and have the fewest losses (2) among all black college football teams at the FCS level. The Tigers played one FBS opponent (Louisiana-Monroe, lost 12-7) and one Division II opponent (Delta State, won 24-17). This is the school’s 4th black college national championships (1962, 1985, 1996).
IF NOT JSU, THEN WHO?
JSU’s loss to SC State in the Celebration Bowl created the type of controversy and debate that fanbases of three programs will argue over for years to come.
First to argue over our selection is the Bulldogs of SC State, who finished the season 7-5, are coached by the schools all-time winningest coach and MEAC Hall of Famer, Buddy Pough. SC State is one of the original members of the MEAC and have won outright or shared 18 conference titles, eight under Coach Pough, along with four black college national championships, last in 2009.
Despite going unbeaten in conference play this season (5-0), they were 1-5 in non-conference games. SCSU was the only team under consideration for a national championship not to play a NCAA Division II opponent. The Bulldogs also played two FCS opponents. SC State was blown out by FCS powerhouse Clemson 49-3, but only lost to FCS New Mexico State 43-35. Another non-conference game of significance was a 10 point loss to North Carolina A&T. South Carolina State chose to play four of their six non-conference games versus HBCU opponents. They played three common opponents with Jackson State: Florida A&M (FAMU), Alabama A&M (AAMU), and Bethune-Cookman (BCU). The Bulldogs lost by 23 points at FAMU, lost by 1-point at AAMU, and won by 7-points at home against BCU.
The second fanbase to have feelings about our selection is the team that benefited from our rankings system in 2019, Florida A&M. Coached by Willie Simmons, the Rattlers lost to Jackson State by 1 point in the Orange Blossom Classic, which was held in Miami Gardens, FL the first weekend of the college football season.
Prior to that classic matchup, FAMU had not played a football game since their 2019 season ended with a loss in their final game of the season to rival BCU. But, it didn’t deter the rankings from narrowly crowning them champions as they had the best winning percentage among all teams in FCS (9-2), best record in the MEAC (7-1), and defeated North Carolina A&T, who would go on to win the Celebration Bowl that year. Ironically, A&T split the conference title in 2019 with SC State, who also lost to FAMU.
Florida A&M’s schedule included one FCS opponent (South Florida, 38-17 loss) and one Division II opponent (Fort Valley, 34-7 win). After the early season 1-point loss to Jackson State, the Rattlers went on to win the final eight games of their season, earn a top-25 ranking and an at-large bid to the FCS playoffs. Those wins included a 23-point victory over SC State at home, a 7-point victory at Alabama A&M, and a 25-point victory over BCU at a neutral site. It was the first appearance by a HBCU team since 2016, and a member of the SWAC in over a decade.
FAMU was recognized on NCAA.com as the top team in the final HBCU football power rankings ahead of South Carolina State and Jackson State, which quickly led the program and Coach Simmons to claim their second national championship in as many seasons.
By our count, that’s three schools declared national champions from three different outlets. There surely will be more.
THE NON-ANALYTICAL APPROACH
Rarely do you get a chance to evaluate not just wins and losses, but head-to-head and common opponents in a debate such as this. So let’s present one final look at Jackson State and why they can feel good about claiming this national championship despite losing their final game of the year.
International sports organizations have used Pool Play groupings to determine which teams advance to knockout stages of events. Organizations like FIBA and FIFA, as well as the Olympic Committee, take a group of four or five teams and let them play games on the field or court, then determine their top teams for the next round.
Applying that same methodology to five HBCU teams that all played each other this season may help some understand, or buy-in, to the selection. The schools are Jackson State, FAMU, SC State, Alabama A&M and Bethune-Cookman.
After all the games have been played this year, the final standings are:
Jackson State 3-1
FAMU 3-1
Alabama A&M 2-2
SC State 2-2
BCU 0-4
With Jackson State and FAMU tied at 3-1, most tiebreakers center around head-to-head or margin of victory against opponents, or points allowed. Well, we know how head-to-head turned out. Let’s look at the margin of victory and points allowed.
In order of game played:
Jackson State (Win by 1, Win by 46, Win by 30, Loss by 21) = +56 margin of victory
Florida A&M (Loss by 1, Win by 23, Win by 4, Win by 25) = +51 margin of victory
Jackson State (allowed 6, 15, 12, 31) = 64 points allowed
Florida A&M (allowed 7, 7, 31, 21) = 66 points allowed
THE ANALYTICAL APPROACH
The Black College Sports Network ranking is based upon a computer formula that factors a team’s record, a team’s conference record, and a team’s strength of schedule. Bonus points are awarded for road victories or neutral site victories. All of a team’s games are factored equally, i.e. Week 1 carries the same weight as the postseason.
After crunching the numbers, here are the final results when all data is entered into the spreadsheet:
Team W L Points
Jackson St 11 2 1303
Florida A&M 9 3 1091
Alabama A&M 7 3 761
South Carolina St 7 5 755
Prairie View A&M 7 4 729
It looks like the choice is clear. Jackson State not only had the best record during the season, but among the four common opponents with SC State and Florida A&M, they tied with FAMU for the best record and “outscored” them in two very common tiebreakers.
What really matters is that for the next 8 months fans have something to debate and talk about as programs, coaches and players go through the recruiting process, spring practices and fall camps.
Maybe the 2022 Celebration Bowl will give us a clear matchup between the top two or three teams in December of 2022. Until that time, enjoy the debate and congratulate the Jackson State Tigers on being the best or the best in 2021.
WHY JSU? NUMBERS DON’T LIE
For decades, the crowning of a national champion has been left to the hands of third-parties, media outlets that cover the teams and the sport. Whether it be for Historically White Colleges and Universities (HWCUs) or Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), the media have always...
www.mybcsn.net
The BCSN rankings begin the first week of October and at the end of the season ranks a teams entire body of work, not just their performance in one game, or their last game of the college season. It takes into consideration wins and losses, the opponents, where those wins and losses occurred, and overall strength of schedule.
Our 2021 BCSN Black College National Champion in the Division-I level is the Jackson State Tigers, coached by Deion Sanders. The Tigers finished the season with 11 wins and two losses, unbeaten in conference play (8-0) and won their first SWAC championship since 2007 over Prairie View A&M in the SWAC Championship Game. They were the only FCS HBCU team to have double-digit victories, and have the fewest losses (2) among all black college football teams at the FCS level. The Tigers played one FBS opponent (Louisiana-Monroe, lost 12-7) and one Division II opponent (Delta State, won 24-17). This is the school’s 4th black college national championships (1962, 1985, 1996).
IF NOT JSU, THEN WHO?
JSU’s loss to SC State in the Celebration Bowl created the type of controversy and debate that fanbases of three programs will argue over for years to come.
First to argue over our selection is the Bulldogs of SC State, who finished the season 7-5, are coached by the schools all-time winningest coach and MEAC Hall of Famer, Buddy Pough. SC State is one of the original members of the MEAC and have won outright or shared 18 conference titles, eight under Coach Pough, along with four black college national championships, last in 2009.
Despite going unbeaten in conference play this season (5-0), they were 1-5 in non-conference games. SCSU was the only team under consideration for a national championship not to play a NCAA Division II opponent. The Bulldogs also played two FCS opponents. SC State was blown out by FCS powerhouse Clemson 49-3, but only lost to FCS New Mexico State 43-35. Another non-conference game of significance was a 10 point loss to North Carolina A&T. South Carolina State chose to play four of their six non-conference games versus HBCU opponents. They played three common opponents with Jackson State: Florida A&M (FAMU), Alabama A&M (AAMU), and Bethune-Cookman (BCU). The Bulldogs lost by 23 points at FAMU, lost by 1-point at AAMU, and won by 7-points at home against BCU.
The second fanbase to have feelings about our selection is the team that benefited from our rankings system in 2019, Florida A&M. Coached by Willie Simmons, the Rattlers lost to Jackson State by 1 point in the Orange Blossom Classic, which was held in Miami Gardens, FL the first weekend of the college football season.
Prior to that classic matchup, FAMU had not played a football game since their 2019 season ended with a loss in their final game of the season to rival BCU. But, it didn’t deter the rankings from narrowly crowning them champions as they had the best winning percentage among all teams in FCS (9-2), best record in the MEAC (7-1), and defeated North Carolina A&T, who would go on to win the Celebration Bowl that year. Ironically, A&T split the conference title in 2019 with SC State, who also lost to FAMU.
Florida A&M’s schedule included one FCS opponent (South Florida, 38-17 loss) and one Division II opponent (Fort Valley, 34-7 win). After the early season 1-point loss to Jackson State, the Rattlers went on to win the final eight games of their season, earn a top-25 ranking and an at-large bid to the FCS playoffs. Those wins included a 23-point victory over SC State at home, a 7-point victory at Alabama A&M, and a 25-point victory over BCU at a neutral site. It was the first appearance by a HBCU team since 2016, and a member of the SWAC in over a decade.
FAMU was recognized on NCAA.com as the top team in the final HBCU football power rankings ahead of South Carolina State and Jackson State, which quickly led the program and Coach Simmons to claim their second national championship in as many seasons.
By our count, that’s three schools declared national champions from three different outlets. There surely will be more.
THE NON-ANALYTICAL APPROACH
Rarely do you get a chance to evaluate not just wins and losses, but head-to-head and common opponents in a debate such as this. So let’s present one final look at Jackson State and why they can feel good about claiming this national championship despite losing their final game of the year.
International sports organizations have used Pool Play groupings to determine which teams advance to knockout stages of events. Organizations like FIBA and FIFA, as well as the Olympic Committee, take a group of four or five teams and let them play games on the field or court, then determine their top teams for the next round.
Applying that same methodology to five HBCU teams that all played each other this season may help some understand, or buy-in, to the selection. The schools are Jackson State, FAMU, SC State, Alabama A&M and Bethune-Cookman.
After all the games have been played this year, the final standings are:
Jackson State 3-1
FAMU 3-1
Alabama A&M 2-2
SC State 2-2
BCU 0-4
With Jackson State and FAMU tied at 3-1, most tiebreakers center around head-to-head or margin of victory against opponents, or points allowed. Well, we know how head-to-head turned out. Let’s look at the margin of victory and points allowed.
In order of game played:
Jackson State (Win by 1, Win by 46, Win by 30, Loss by 21) = +56 margin of victory
Florida A&M (Loss by 1, Win by 23, Win by 4, Win by 25) = +51 margin of victory
Jackson State (allowed 6, 15, 12, 31) = 64 points allowed
Florida A&M (allowed 7, 7, 31, 21) = 66 points allowed
THE ANALYTICAL APPROACH
The Black College Sports Network ranking is based upon a computer formula that factors a team’s record, a team’s conference record, and a team’s strength of schedule. Bonus points are awarded for road victories or neutral site victories. All of a team’s games are factored equally, i.e. Week 1 carries the same weight as the postseason.
After crunching the numbers, here are the final results when all data is entered into the spreadsheet:
Team W L Points
Jackson St 11 2 1303
Florida A&M 9 3 1091
Alabama A&M 7 3 761
South Carolina St 7 5 755
Prairie View A&M 7 4 729
It looks like the choice is clear. Jackson State not only had the best record during the season, but among the four common opponents with SC State and Florida A&M, they tied with FAMU for the best record and “outscored” them in two very common tiebreakers.
What really matters is that for the next 8 months fans have something to debate and talk about as programs, coaches and players go through the recruiting process, spring practices and fall camps.
Maybe the 2022 Celebration Bowl will give us a clear matchup between the top two or three teams in December of 2022. Until that time, enjoy the debate and congratulate the Jackson State Tigers on being the best or the best in 2021.
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MetroPhillyTiger
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THEESwacProphet
THEE SWACs Neighborhood Prophet
I say we take the current NCAA model and use it in the HBCU world. The overall top 2 ranked teams in the SWAC vs the top 2 ranked teams in the MEAC, warranted if they don’t go to the fcs playoffs , but if they do then the next best team would qualify. Using this year for example
Following the SWAC championship…
FAMU plays Jackson State in Jackson in the reinstatement of the Heritage Bowl winner goes to the celebration bowl
Norfolk State plays SC State in South Carolina in the MEAC Championship. The conference doesn’t have an official conference title anyway so in this model could serve as a play bowl name with the winner going to the celebration bowl.
Celebration bowl
Undisputed SWAC winners vs Undisputed MEAC winner
That keeps the teams interest that are in the drivers seat to keep playing, better football product , and it keeps entertainment at an all time high . Imagine , FAMU gets another crack at Jackson to maybe avenge a 1 point loss early in the season… just talking this season. Jackson and famu could do 60 k together in Jackson.
Following the SWAC championship…
FAMU plays Jackson State in Jackson in the reinstatement of the Heritage Bowl winner goes to the celebration bowl
Norfolk State plays SC State in South Carolina in the MEAC Championship. The conference doesn’t have an official conference title anyway so in this model could serve as a play bowl name with the winner going to the celebration bowl.
Celebration bowl
Undisputed SWAC winners vs Undisputed MEAC winner
That keeps the teams interest that are in the drivers seat to keep playing, better football product , and it keeps entertainment at an all time high . Imagine , FAMU gets another crack at Jackson to maybe avenge a 1 point loss early in the season… just talking this season. Jackson and famu could do 60 k together in Jackson.
DIAMONDBACK
Well-Known Member
So now all should know that FAMU never declared themselves HBCU National Champs.
Well ScSt is the National Champion in this poll.
View: https://twitter.com/DrKenyattaCavil/status/1473492203582459921?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/DrKenyattaCavil/status/1473492203582459921?s=20
DIAMONDBACK
Well-Known Member
South Carolina State won the Celebration Bowl
DIAMONDBACK
Well-Known Member
You did indicate that their would be 4 different polls.
Just select the two highest ranked teams regardless of conference affiliation for the CB and let them play for the BCF champs Since everyone is now depending on the polls to determine the champs. The FCS division does not recognize the title anyway. If you say it’s a black thing then forget the PWI FCS OOC games and focus on HBCU OOC games only.
There may be 5
BCSN (Black College Sports Network)
Dr Cavil's Inside the HBCU Sports Lab
Onnidan - Heritage Sports Radio Network
HBCU Pro-Sports Media Association
HBCU Sports.com
This.
Wait sir! We already have that, East champ vs West champ. 2nd place finisher in a division isn't the 2nd best of our conference. If they were so great, they would have beaten the first place finisher. They did not earn that right on the field of play.
Don't let these naysayers drag you down to their ignorant level and beat you unmercifully with their ignorant speech and schtick.
In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
Period.
As I said on Facebook, these other HBCU media outlets better get on point because they making themselves look foolish. The champions of the two D1 HBCU conferences play for the HBCU National Championship. If you got Bowie, JSU or FAMU #1 in your poll, you're just undercutting the significance of the Celebration Bowl. Bowie lost to an average Delaware State, JSU lost in the CB and FAMU got smoked in the 1st round of the FCS playoffs. MAYBE if the latter made it to the FCS/D2 title games then maybe... MAYBE I might be open for a convo
Aubryknight
Well-Known Member
Bowie and the like should not be considered with the SWAC and MEAC schools. They’re in a different lane. SCSU is the HBCU Champion. Any other championship claim is laughable and lacks credibility.
In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
Yeah I didn't mean to include JSU in the playoff discussion with Bowie and FAMU for obvious reasons.
I have NEVER agreed with ranking D2 and NAIA schools in the same polls because it's disrespectful to the D1 schools. I saw one Super poll that didn't have Valley ranked but had D2 and NAIA ranked. JSU, FAMU, AAMU, PV, Southern and Alcorn currently could beat every sub-D1 HBCU by at least 2-3 TDs easily. I think even TxSU, Grambling, BCU and Alabama State would probably beat at least 90% of them because of offense (TxSU) or defense (Grambling)
I like how Dr. Cavil does it with the D1 and D2/NAIA schools being ranked seperately but none of this super Poll stuff. West Virginia State is not better than Valley
J-State2DaPoint
"Eye Of The Tiger"
And FAMU has no championship, no bowl win, no playoff win. See y’all in Miami!
Is Unkuh Lewk still claiming y’all? He went ghost after y’all took that L. Everybody said He was just using y’all to ride the JSU/Coach Prime train to bring attention to himself. He don’t even like y’all like that.
96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
FAMU is the cousin who will try to sleep with your ex wife and be proud of knocking your sloppy seconds up.
MY GOD!!!